Arians not leaving - coming back?

[Eddie Spaghetti]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

People shutting up once and for all woudl be nice but expect the same old "cut and paste" of comments we have heard a thousand times

oh the irony.

good move bringing both guys back. they played like sh1t and still had a chance with the ball in Bens hands needing a TD to win it. i'll take that.

[Oviedo]

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People shutting up once and for all woudl be nice but expect the same old "cut and paste" of comments we have heard a thousand times

oh the irony.

good move bringing both guys back. they played like sh1t and still had a chance with the ball in Bens hands needing a TD to win it. i'll take that.

I was confident you would pick up on that. You did not disappoint

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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hey, you left the door open.

as much as you can't stand lebeau and think he sucks, this is not the year to make that case.

but we saw how that went.

[Oviedo]

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hey, you left the door open.

as much as you can't stand lebeau and think he sucks, this is not the year to make that case.

but we saw how that went.

You continue to totally miss the point on how I feel about LeBeau. I have never said he sucks. As a matter of fact I think he is one of the best ever. Everything I have said is based on a concern that we are not critically assessing our defense to see how it can be improved. I honestly do feel he loves his baby and may not be objective when he looks at it. IMO the evidence is clear as our secondary continues to get torched the same way year after year but yet we continue to draft and play zone cover CB to fit a zone scheme that the NFL has figured out.

We also don't seem to be able to get young player on the field and get them experience that we need to to perpetuate our success. For all the criticism he gets Arians gets young players on the field and they perform and they get better and they are ready to step in when called upon.

Look at what Capers did in Green Bay in just two years. He completley converts a defense and loads it with young players who perform to the max. Is his scheme as complex as LeBeau's if not then maybe the only people we confuse are our own players because we saw a ton of young talent on the Packers defense beating us.


Everything I post is to try to get some insightful discussion started about our defense versus just falling on our kness at the alter of LeBeau.

[feltdizz]

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People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

Horton just got a promotion and I can't find anyone who thinks our secondary was good.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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you want lebeau gone as you have stated numerous times. i'm not willing to even argue with you on that score.

i am not against the young guys getting playing time, but where was it supposed to happen on defense this year? the first quarter of the season when the starting QB was out? the tough 4 game stretch after that? they got some minutes in the raiders and panthers games as i recall. lebeua methods are sound, sorry you can't accept that.

again, this isnt the year to mock "saint lebeau".

[feltdizz]

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I have to agree with Ovi... I'm a Lebeau fan but it's obvious our secondary is horrible and the kids can't get on the field and when they do they look lost.

Something has to change because Arians has shown the ability to get the youngsters on the field on offense.

Why can't our 3rd 5th or 6th rounders have an impact on D? Are we really drafting the worst CB's in football?

[SteelCrazy]

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People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

He's 58 years old. No one hires guys in their mid-to-late 50's for their first head coaching gig. First-time head coaches are hotshot young coordinators in their mid-to-late 30's or early 40's. The only guys in that are Arians' age who get hired to be a head coach are veteran head coaches with pelts on the wall like Mike Shanahan.

How much interest has LeBeau generated in the past decade and he is a "genius.". Not everyone is HC material but that does not mean they aren't competent in their current jobs.

Thanks for bringing up LeBeau. He got the head coaching job in Cincinnati at age 61-62, so Arians at 58 shouldnt be a problem. Of couse his Temple record suggests what a lot of us think of him.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

Horton just got a promotion and I can't find anyone who thinks our secondary was good.

Horton didnt get promoted because of his secondary coaching skills. He got the DC job because they're hoping he has learned the 3-4 D and can run it like LeBeau

[Eddie Spaghetti]

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remind me again how many superbowls in the last 6 years?

good grief.

[feltdizz]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

He's 58 years old. No one hires guys in their mid-to-late 50's for their first head coaching gig. First-time head coaches are hotshot young coordinators in their mid-to-late 30's or early 40's. The only guys in that are Arians' age who get hired to be a head coach are veteran head coaches with pelts on the wall like Mike Shanahan.

How much interest has LeBeau generated in the past decade and he is a "genius.". Not everyone is HC material but that does not mean they aren't competent in their current jobs.

Thanks for bringing up LeBeau. He got the head coaching job in Cincinnati at age 61-62, so Arians at 58 shouldnt be a problem. Of couse his Temple record suggests what a lot of us think of him.

Lebeau wasn't successful at Cincinnati.. maybe he ruined it for Arians.

I think pointing out the lack of a HC offer is the only card the haters have left.

I don't think Arians is the greatest in the world but I think he fits nicely with our WR's and QB. We have been to 2 SB's with a horrible OL (they were better as this year went on)... so I can't understand what people really expect with a new guy.

Hell, can anyone name a few replacements who they think would fit better?

[feltdizz]

Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.

Horton just got a promotion and I can't find anyone who thinks our secondary was good.

Horton didnt get promoted because of his secondary coaching skills. He got the DC job because they're hoping he has learned the 3-4 D and can run it like LeBeau

so.... in the NFL you can get a promotion based on hope and not on skills.

[Crash]

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No one will succeed in Cincy on a consistent basis until they improve their front office structure rather than have it be Mike Brown and his family of minions.

[SteelCrazy]

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Thanks for bringing up LeBeau. He got the head coaching job in Cincinnati at age 61-62, so Arians at 58 shouldnt be a problem. Of couse his Temple record suggests what a lot of us think of him.

Lebeau wasn't successful at Cincinnati.. maybe he ruined it for Arians.

I think pointing out the lack of a HC offer is the only card the haters have left.

I don't think Arians is the greatest in the world but I think he fits nicely with our WR's and QB. We have been to 2 SB's with a horrible OL (they were better as this year went on)... so I can't understand what people really expect with a new guy.

Hell, can anyone name a few replacements who they think would fit better?

Pointing out the lack of HC offers is our only card left? HA! The Mendy fumble is card 2. The Packers knew it was coming. Having Speath and Johnson on the field all the time is another. When Sanders got hurt Arians admitted he was scrambling on the sidelines to call plays. He is an alright guy, I guess, but he is given a pass because Ben loves the freedom to play his way. Tomlin doesnt like to rock the boat. Hey, we are successful most of the time and Arians cant be that bad, but we were successful way before he got here and we'll still be after he's gone. Hopefully sooner then later.

[Crash]

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If Ben had the freedom to "play his way" Spaeth and Johnson would never see the field.