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    • May 2010
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    Arians not leaving - coming back?

    If this is true, this is NOT good news. And I would begin to question just how good Tomlin really as a coach!
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    Steelers lose DBs coach to Arizona
    Thursday, February 10, 2011
    By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    The loss of secondary coach Ray Horton to the Arizona Cardinals might be the only change to the Steelers coaching staff for 2011.

    Coach Mike Tomlin wants to retain both coordinators who are in the final year of their contracts -- Dick LeBeau on defense and Bruce Arians on offense -- and does not plan changes at any other coaching positions.
    Horton, a secondary coach with the Steelers since 2004, was hired as the Cardinals defensive coordinator Wednesday after interviewing in Tempe, Ariz., with Cardinals coach and former Steelers offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt.

    Horton became the leading candidate when the Steelers prevented linebackers coach Keith Butler from interviewing for that position. Whisenhunt was looking for someone who had worked with LeBeau to run Arizona's 3-4 defense, which ranked 29th in the National Football League in 2010.

    Horton has worked with LeBeau for 12 seasons, including five with the Cincinnati Bengals.

    Whisenhunt wanted to hire Butler as his defensive coordinator after the 2008 season, but Butler declined the opportunity because he was having hip-replacement surgery and could not devote the necessary time installing the defense with the Cardinals. Instead, Whisenhunt hired Billy Davis, a former Steelers assistant who had worked under Dom Capers, to be defensive coordinator.

    Davis was fired last month after the Cardinals finished 5-9 and allowed 434 points, third most in the league. They also had the worst rushing defense in the NFC, allowing an average of 145.2 yards per game -- nearly 83 yards more than the Steelers' league-leading average (62..

    Horton becomes the fifth former Steelers assistant to join Whisenhunt's staff since he became head coach in 2007.

    "We're going to be an aggressive, disciplined, downhill, attacking defense," Horton said at an introductory news conference. "We're going to get after the quarterback. I'm here to say right now, the first call is going to be a blitz, no question about it."

    No surgery for Roethlisberger
    While players such as Hines Ward (knee, thumb) and Emmanuel Sanders (foot) need surgery to repair injuries, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said his injured right foot does not need surgery "as of now." Doctors have told him they will let his foot heal without surgery.

    Roethlisberger has a fracture in his right foot that was originally detected by the Steelers in the 2007 season -- an injury that occurred years earlier during his childhood. But the fracture healed on its own when protective fibers formed around the bone, creating what is known as "fibrous union." Those fibers were sprained when Roethlisberger injured his foot against the New England Patriots, and, again, against Buffalo.


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  • costanza2k1
    Hall of Famer
    • Mar 2008
    • 2579

    #2
    Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

    Yeah they should fire Tomlin! He keeps BA around and keeps making the SB! Fire him now.
    ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #3
      Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

      So Tomlin is now a bad coach because he doesn't do what you want? Ah OK

      I find it strange throughout the play offs and leading up to the Super Bowl all the "talking heads" and former players/coach were praising Arians but by all means lets defer to the experts who watch games on TV.

      IF he stays, that means Tomlins is happy and the Rooneys are happy. No one else really matters. I posted the other day that teams are not going to change coordinators with the labor situation because in all liklihood they are not going to be able to work with players to introduce new systems or review playbooks. The operative word for this off-season is status quo.
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • ScoreKeeper
        Backup
        • Dec 2010
        • 291

        #4
        Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

        Without a new CBA and not knowing if/when the season will start, this is not the year to change coordinators. If the season starts late you want as much continuity as possible.
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        • Crash
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          • Apr 2009
          • 5008

          #5
          Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

          Can someone Nancy Kerrigan Matt Spaeth and David Johnson?

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #6
            Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

            I know people may hate this but....

            Ben's SB performance should shut people up about Arians...

            I think most BA haters refuse to admit Ben is capable of making mistakes.. he is human. Praising Ben for every TD and bashing BA for every stalled drive doesn't hold water.

            We made the SB and it wasn't in spite of BA.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • Oviedo
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              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #7
              Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              I know people may hate this but....

              Ben's SB performance should shut people up about Arians...

              I think most BA haters refuse to admit Ben is capable of making mistakes.. he is human. Praising Ben for every TD and bashing BA for every stalled drive doesn't hold water.

              We made the SB and it wasn't in spite of BA.
              People shutting up once and for all woudl be nice but expect the same old "cut and paste" of comments we have heard a thousand times
              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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              • ScoreKeeper
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                • Dec 2010
                • 291

                #8
                Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                BA has his good moments but he is not consistant in putting his players in the best position to make plays.
                http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...onbodyslam.jpg

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                • SteelCrazy
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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5049

                  #9
                  Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                  People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.
                  2019 Mock

                  1. ILB
                  2. CB
                  3. ILB
                  4. S
                  5. CB
                  6. ILB
                  7. S

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                  • feltdizz
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                    • May 2008
                    • 27531

                    #10
                    Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                    Originally posted by ScoreKeeper
                    BA has his good moments but he is not consistant in putting his players in the best position to make plays.
                    please list off a few OC's who are consistent in putting their players in the best position to succeed.

                    This should be interesting. Of course I expect McCarthy to be at the top. 2 years ago the fans in GB wanted him gone.
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • ScoreKeeper
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 291

                      #11
                      Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      Originally posted by ScoreKeeper
                      BA has his good moments but he is not consistant in putting his players in the best position to make plays.
                      please list off a few OC's who are consistent in putting their players in the best position to succeed.

                      This should be interesting. Of course I expect McCarthy to be at the top. 2 years ago the fans in GB wanted him gone.
                      Are you serious, asking a question like this?

                      Unreal.
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                      • RuthlessBurgher
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                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        #12
                        Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                        Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                        People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.
                        He's 58 years old. No one hires guys in their mid-to-late 50's for their first head coaching gig. First-time head coaches are hotshot young coordinators in their mid-to-late 30's or early 40's. The only guys in that are Arians' age who get hired to be a head coach are veteran head coaches with pelts on the wall like Mike Shanahan.
                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • SteelCrazy
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                          • Aug 2008
                          • 5049

                          #13
                          Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                          Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                          People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.
                          He's 58 years old. No one hires guys in their mid-to-late 50's for their first head coaching gig. First-time head coaches are hotshot young coordinators in their mid-to-late 30's or early 40's. The only guys in that are Arians' age who get hired to be a head coach are veteran head coaches with pelts on the wall like Mike Shanahan.
                          There's one in every crowd!
                          2019 Mock

                          1. ILB
                          2. CB
                          3. ILB
                          4. S
                          5. CB
                          6. ILB
                          7. S

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                          • Crash
                            Legend
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5008

                            #14
                            Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                            I know people may hate this but....

                            Ben's SB performance should shut people up about Arians
                            Actually the beginning of the SB highlights the problems of Arians.

                            First drive? First play, the usual WR screen to Ward on the first series. Second play, the sucker draw that hasn't worked all season which failed (again) when Scott failed his block. 3rd and 10 was Brown's mistake.

                            Second series? Third down, we pass, with THREE TIGHT ENDS on the field. Punt.

                            Pick 6? Two TE's on the field.

                            The ONLY sequence where Ben looked well throwing the ball, was the three scoring drives, a FG and two TD dives.

                            A combined 26 plays on those three drives.

                            On 20 of them, only one TE was on the field.

                            Even Aikman down 14 said it "The Steelers talked about spreading the Packers out and throwing, and so far we haven't see much of that"

                            And like always when we don't, we struggled on offense.

                            Then we went three wides and got back in the game.

                            As usual.

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                            • Oviedo
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 23824

                              #15
                              Re: Arians not leaving - coming back?

                              Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                              Originally posted by SteelCrazy
                              People either like or hate Arians, I am on the hate side. With that, I have 1 question for those that like him. Why, after 2 SB's as an OC, and 1 SB as a WR's coach has he never been considered for a head coaching position? He has generated absolutely no interest what so ever by any team. That is almost unheard of, especially in this day and age.
                              He's 58 years old. No one hires guys in their mid-to-late 50's for their first head coaching gig. First-time head coaches are hotshot young coordinators in their mid-to-late 30's or early 40's. The only guys in that are Arians' age who get hired to be a head coach are veteran head coaches with pelts on the wall like Mike Shanahan.
                              How much interest has LeBeau generated in the past decade and he is a "genius.". Not everyone is HC material but that does not mean they aren't competent in their current jobs.
                              "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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