I am starting to accept the fact that..

[Dee Dub]

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Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.

Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

So those 76 receptions last season were by accident then?

Exactly. Heath Miller right now is Ben’s number two option. Yes numbers are down this year but some are forgetting Ben missed the first 4 games. Miller is still one of the best pass catching TE in the league.

[feltdizz]

Re: I am starting to accept the fact that..…

Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.

Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

So those 76 receptions last season were by accident then?

plenty of people on here talk about how Miller is ignored or isn't utilized enough...

the LOL was typed for a reason

[birtikidis]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.
Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

So those 76 receptions last season were by accident then?

Exactly. Heath Miller right now is Ben’s number two option. Yes numbers are down this year but some are forgetting Ben missed the first 4 games. Miller is still one of the best pass catching TE in the league.[/quote:3oogkk1w]
so if Miller is the #2 who is #1? and if #1 is who I think it is... wouldn't that make Wallace the #3? how often are Elite Receivers #3?

[feltdizz]

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I think Ben is just throwing to whoever can get open before he gets hit. Ben usually looks long then work's his way back to Hines and Miller.

All of a sudden Miller is our #2? For the last 5 years everyone has screamed he wasn't getting enough looks. Now he is our #2?

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=birtikidis]

Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.
Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

So those 76 receptions last season were by accident then?

Exactly. Heath Miller right now is Ben’s number two option. Yes numbers are down this year but some are forgetting Ben missed the first 4 games. Miller is still one of the best pass catching TE in the league.

so if Miller is the #2 who is #1? and if #1 is who I think it is... wouldn't that make Wallace the #3? how often are Elite Receivers #3?[/quote7u05z8j]

Come on dude...really? Is this that difficult? We all know as Steeler fans that there is a pecking order and that when it comes to the young players regardless of whether they are better or not it usually goes to the more established veteran player. Again..look at Randle El. Why is he even on the field?

I am willing to bet by seasons end..Wallace will have established himself as the #1. It is coming a lot faster than people think.

[feltdizz]

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no doubt the Steeler way is vet first... but we saw what happened in the Saints game with Sanders. He screwed up a perfectly thrown ball to Ward on the 4th and 1.

some people were mad Foote was playing over Timmons even though it was clear Timmons was the better athlete but we won a SB in 2008.

I think our coaches are fine with seeing Sanders and Brown prove their worth before handing them the starting roles. IF we started out 1-3 we probably see more out of the youngsters but we are 6-2 wtih Hines and ARE. Why would we experiment this year when we can work them in slowly.

This is the reason we are competitive most years IMO. We don't rush our guys.

[Dee Dub]

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no doubt the Steeler way is vet first... but we saw what happened in the Saints game with Sanders. He screwed up a perfectly thrown ball to Ward on the 4th and 1.

There are plenty of screw ups from the vets too. Hines fumble? He drops passes as well. And Heath's fumble two weeks ago? That one cost them the game. It goes both ways....so why not play the better football player regardless of experience?

[feltdizz]

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no doubt the Steeler way is vet first... but we saw what happened in the Saints game with Sanders. He screwed up a perfectly thrown ball to Ward on the 4th and 1.

There are plenty of screw ups from the vets too. Hines fumble? He drops passes as well. And Heath's fumble two weeks ago? That one cost them the game. It goes both ways....so why not play the better football player regardless of experience?

because coaches usually put vets over talent. How may times have we seen better players sit behind the vets. IT happens a lot and not just on our team.

[birtikidis]

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Come on dude...really? Is this that difficult? We all know as Steeler fans that there is a pecking order and that when it comes to the young players regardless of whether they are better or not it usually goes to the more established veteran player. Again..look at Randle El. Why is he even on the field?

I am willing to bet by seasons end..Wallace will have established himself as the #1. It is coming a lot faster than people think.

Dee it isn't some conspiracy against young players that keeps them on the bench. Moss, Johnson, Fitz, those guys got on the field because they were not only more talented, but they were also more well rounded players. ready to step on the field and run every route in the passing tree. They were all great at running all of those routes. All I'm saying, is give Mike some time before you make him out to be a superstar.

[AngryAsian]

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Come on dude...really? Is this that difficult? We all know as Steeler fans that there is a pecking order and that when it comes to the young players regardless of whether they are better or not it usually goes to the more established veteran player. Again..look at Randle El. Why is he even on the field?

I am willing to bet by seasons end..Wallace will have established himself as the #1. It is coming a lot faster than people think.

Dee it isn't some conspiracy against young players that keeps them on the bench. Moss, Johnson, Fitz, those guys got on the field because they were not only more talented, but they were also more well rounded players. ready to step on the field and run every route in the passing tree. They were all great at running all of those routes. All I'm saying, is give Mike some time before you make him out to be a superstar.

One thing he needs improving on is catching without using the traditional basket catch. I know most possession receivers catch balls at the highest point, and since Mike hasn't been characterized as a possession receiver, I would think this is something he needs to work on so that he's not labeled as a one trick pony. Speed, talent and work ethic is obviously there... he needs to fine tune things before he's measured as one of the elite.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Come on dude...really? Is this that difficult? We all know as Steeler fans that there is a pecking order and that when it comes to the young players regardless of whether they are better or not it usually goes to the more established veteran player. Again..look at Randle El. Why is he even on the field?

I am willing to bet by seasons end..Wallace will have established himself as the #1. It is coming a lot faster than people think.

Dee it isn't some conspiracy against young players that keeps them on the bench. Moss, Johnson, Fitz, those guys got on the field because they were not only more talented, but they were also more well rounded players. ready to step on the field and run every route in the passing tree. They were all great at running all of those routes. All I'm saying, is give Mike some time before you make him out to be a superstar.

One thing he needs improving on is catching without using the traditional basket catch. I know most possession receivers catch balls at the highest point, and since Mike hasn't been characterized as a possession receiver, I would think this is something he needs to work on so that he's not labeled as a one trick pony. Speed, talent and work ethic is obviously there... he needs to fine tune things before he's measured as one of the elite.

Good point. The basket catch is fine when you have beaten the coverage and your QB hits you in stride. However, when he has underthrown on deep balls by Dixon/Batch/Ben/Randle El this year, he still waits for the ball to fall into his breadbasket instead of going up to get it at his highest point in traffic.

In this last game, when Wallace was open over the middle on third down when Ben stepped up to avoid pressure in the pocket, Ben threw it high, so he was forced to try to extend his arms above his head and catch it with his hands instead of cradling it, and he flat out dropped it despite getting both hands on the ball.

I love Wallace as a player, but like all young players, he does need to work on certain aspects of his game in order to improve and maximize his vast potential.

[AngryAsian]

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Come on dude...really? Is this that difficult? We all know as Steeler fans that there is a pecking order and that when it comes to the young players regardless of whether they are better or not it usually goes to the more established veteran player. Again..look at Randle El. Why is he even on the field?

I am willing to bet by seasons end..Wallace will have established himself as the #1. It is coming a lot faster than people think.

Dee it isn't some conspiracy against young players that keeps them on the bench. Moss, Johnson, Fitz, those guys got on the field because they were not only more talented, but they were also more well rounded players. ready to step on the field and run every route in the passing tree. They were all great at running all of those routes. All I'm saying, is give Mike some time before you make him out to be a superstar.

One thing he needs improving on is catching without using the traditional basket catch. I know most possession receivers catch balls at the highest point, and since Mike hasn't been characterized as a possession receiver, I would think this is something he needs to work on so that he's not labeled as a one trick pony. Speed, talent and work ethic is obviously there... he needs to fine tune things before he's measured as one of the elite.

Good point. The basket catch is fine when you have beaten the coverage and your QB hits you in stride. However, when he has underthrown on deep balls by Dixon/Batch/Ben/Randle El this year, he still waits for the ball to fall into his breadbasket instead of going up to get it at his highest point in traffic.

In this last game, when Wallace was open over the middle on third down when Ben stepped up to avoid pressure in the pocket, Ben threw it high, so he was forced to try to extend his arms above his head and catch it with his hands instead of cradling it, and he flat out dropped it despite getting both hands on the ball.

I love Wallace as a player, but like all young players, he does need to work on certain aspects of his game in order to improve and maximize his vast potential.

The Jenkins' fingertip catch with under a minute to go in last night's Falcons/Ratbirds game, and also the memorable Stonio SB winning catch in the endzone... both are spectacular instances of a skillset that Mike needs to improve in. I have yet to see those "non-cradling" catches from our number 2... but I know this is something he'll work hard to attain. Like Steve Young said in the post MNF game.... "He's a Pittsburgh Steeler."

[ikestops85]

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One thing he needs improving on is catching without using the traditional basket catch. I know most possession receivers catch balls at the highest point, and since Mike hasn't been characterized as a possession receiver, I would think this is something he needs to work on so that he's not labeled as a one trick pony. Speed, talent and work ethic is obviously there... he needs to fine tune things before he's measured as one of the elite.

Good point. The basket catch is fine when you have beaten the coverage and your QB hits you in stride. However, when he has underthrown on deep balls by Dixon/Batch/Ben/Randle El this year, he still waits for the ball to fall into his breadbasket instead of going up to get it at his highest point in traffic.

In this last game, when Wallace was open over the middle on third down when Ben stepped up to avoid pressure in the pocket, Ben threw it high, so he was forced to try to extend his arms above his head and catch it with his hands instead of cradling it, and he flat out dropped it despite getting both hands on the ball.

I love Wallace as a player, but like all young players, he does need to work on certain aspects of his game in order to improve and maximize his vast potential.

The Jenkins' fingertip catch with under a minute to go in last night's Falcons/Ratbirds game, and also the memorable Stonio SB winning catch in the endzone... both are spectacular instances of a skillset that Mike needs to improve in. I have yet to see those "non-cradling" catches from our number 2... but I know this is something he'll work hard to attain. Like Steve Young said in the post MNF game.... "He's a Pittsburgh Steeler."

I guess you folks didn't watch the New Orleans game where he plucked one out of the air. Do you really think all of his catches have been bombs?

[Dee Dub]

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The Jenkins' fingertip catch with under a minute to go in last night's Falcons/Ratbirds game, and also the memorable Stonio SB winning catch in the endzone... both are spectacular instances of a skillset that Mike needs to improve in. I have yet to see those "non-cradling" catches from our number 2... but I know this is something he'll work hard to attain. Like Steve Young said in the post MNF game.... "He's a Pittsburgh Steeler."

See what you guys knock Wallace for...you also ignore the fact that in other areas...such as...going up after the ball, coming back to it, willing to go over the middle in traffic, and the ability to flat out run past people, even in a deep cover 2. But hey...let's nitpick on a youngster who is going to be the best WR on this team by season's end. And WR that teams are going to have to game plan for.

[Dee Dub]

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I guess you folks didn't watch the New Orleans game where he plucked one out of the air. Do you really think all of his catches have been bombs?

Cha-ching!!!

He also took a slant and a bubble screen in heavy traffic without the slightest fear.