I am starting to accept the fact that..…

[papillon]

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If Wallace isn't #1 in the progressions he will almost certainly be by the end of the year. The Steelers simply won't be able to sustain a passing game if WRs don't start getting open within 2.5 to 3.0 seconds. Ben is looking and waiting too long and finally getting to Wallace.

He'll be #1 by seasons end, his catches will escalate and his YPC will come down a bit, but he will be #1. He seems to be the only guy that can get open, deep, short or in between.

Pappy

[birtikidis]

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I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

This really reminds me of your arguement for Mike WIlliams when he came out of USC and how you essentially were making him out to be the best receiver in the NFL before he was even drafted.

[pepsyman1]

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I personally thought that overall, Arians called a pretty good game. I would have rather seen him do a few more first down throws in the second half (They did a very good job of mixing it up on first down in the first half.) I had no problem with calling runs on the Steelers last drive before the missed field goal AS LONG AS we were getting the big chunks that Mendi was getting, but you can only lean on a RB so many plays in a row...and our other RB's were out of the game. At that point, there should have been better judgement. We would have been better off with a first down pass at that point.. Running on the 3rd down play was a bad idea, but otherwise I thought it was one of Arians better called games. We kept the ball for over 32 minutes, we scored 27 points, if Ben doesn't throw that bad interception, we win easily.

[Dee Dub]

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I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

This really reminds me of your arguement for Mike WIlliams when he came out of USC and how you essentially were making him out to be the best receiver in the NFL before he was even drafted.

Yeah that makes sense. We are talking about a player who is in year two of his NFL career and is starting to light it up on the field.

Wow!!

Show me a receiver in the history of the NFL who has done this in his first two NFL seasons..

Year 1--lead the league in yards per catch
Year 2-lead the league in yards per catch

61 career catches for 1263 yards and 11 TD's??

[feltdizz]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

what do you mean by a Hines Ward, Heath Miller receiver?

These guys aren't running by anyone... they are hard nosed, gritty receivers but I think plenty of teams have receivers of their talent. It's the other things these 2 do that make them special IMO.

Simple for Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald and the teams they play on, name me the their equivalents to Hines Ward and Heath Miller. You cant because they dont have them. As a result this gives Mike Wallace an edge that they dont have.[/quote:zquc0pw4]

as far as production is concerned I think over half the league have Wards and Millers at receiver. Miller and Hines have name recognition because we win a lot.... but it isn't because of their stats.

teams don't fear Miller and Hines as receivers... as blockers and gritty hard nose receivers who dish out punishment after the catch, maybe a little but dude. Hines is respected for his style of play not for his production or speed.

4 WR's... which one give you an OBVIOUS edge?
24 rec 237 yards 1 TD
22 rec 266 yards 3 TD
25 rec 358 yards 1 TD
30 rec 375 yards 4 TD

3 TE's... which one gives you the OBVIOUS edge?
13 rec 191 yards 2 TD
16 rec 200 yards 1 TD
20 rec 243 yards 1 TD
20 rec 242 yards 1 TD

[feltdizz]

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I personally thought that overall, Arians called a pretty good game. I would have rather seen him do a few more first down throws in the second half (They did a very good job of mixing it up on first down in the first half.) I had no problem with calling runs on the Steelers last drive before the missed field goal AS LONG AS we were getting the big chunks that Mendi was getting, but you can only lean on a RB so many plays in a row...and our other RB's were out of the game. At that point, there should have been better judgement. We would have been better off with a first down pass at that point.. Running on the 3rd down play was a bad idea, but otherwise I thought it was one of Arians better called games. We kept the ball for over 32 minutes, we scored 27 points, if Ben doesn't throw that bad interception, we win easily.

I only like pass plays if they are completed.

a pass risk the chance of an INT or stopping the clock. I think the draw was the perfect call. Legursky missed a block. It happens.

[birtikidis]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

This really reminds me of your arguement for Mike WIlliams when he came out of USC and how you essentially were making him out to be the best receiver in the NFL before he was even drafted.

Yeah that makes sense. We are talking about a player who is in year two of his NFL career and is starting to light it up on the field.

Wow!!

Show me a receiver in the history of the NFL who has done this in his first two NFL seasons..

Year 1--lead the league in yards per catch
Year 2-lead the league in yards per catch

61 career catches for 1263 yards and 11 TD's??[/quote:17cxrx3v]
I remember btw, that Fitz had a guy named Boldin who was a hell of a reciever opposite him and he was still tearing the league up. Hell Moss was setting record like crazy when he had Carter on the opposite side of him.. oh and they all caught more than 61 balls in their first two years... Hell I think Fitz and Moss caught that in their first year...
yea moss had 69.. as a rook
and fitz had 59... as a rook.
those are superstar in the making numbers. not 61 in two years. Hell Troy Edwards had 61 catches his rookie year.

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=birtikidis]

I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

This really reminds me of your arguement for Mike WIlliams when he came out of USC and how you essentially were making him out to be the best receiver in the NFL before he was even drafted.

Yeah that makes sense. We are talking about a player who is in year two of his NFL career and is starting to light it up on the field.

Wow!!

Show me a receiver in the history of the NFL who has done this in his first two NFL seasons..

Year 1--lead the league in yards per catch
Year 2-lead the league in yards per catch

61 career catches for 1263 yards and 11 TD's??

I remember btw, that Fitz had a guy named Boldin who was a hell of a reciever opposite him and he was still tearing the league up. Hell Moss was setting record like crazy when he had Carter on the opposite side of him.. oh and they all caught more than 61 balls in their first two years... Hell I think Fitz and Moss caught that in their first year...
yea moss had 69.. as a rook
and fitz had 59... as a rook.
those are superstar in the making numbers. not 61 in two years. Hell Troy Edwards had 61 catches his rookie year.[/quote:2mhmovyh]

Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

[birtikidis]

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Dee, I love Wallace, and I think he will be a good one.. I just don't see him as being elite. He has holes in his game, and when he fills those holes, he will be.
and thanks for making my point. elite recievers aren't #3-5 on a depth chart

[Dee Dub]

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Dee, I love Wallace, and I think he will be a good one.. I just don't see him as being elite. He has holes in his game, and when he fills those holes, he will be.
and thanks for making my point. elite recievers aren't #3-5 on a depth chart

That's not fair. This is the way of the Steelers. Antwan Randle El is the #3...in your honest opinion he is better that Emmanuel Sanders? Nope...but that is the Steeler way when it comes to young players. So where one is on the Steeler depth chart doesnt always mean it is based on a skill set.

OK..I am willing to bet by season end..Mike Wallace is considered the elite receiver on the Steelers.

[birtikidis]

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Dee, I love Wallace, and I think he will be a good one.. I just don't see him as being elite. He has holes in his game, and when he fills those holes, he will be.
and thanks for making my point. elite recievers aren't #3-5 on a depth chart

That's not fair. This is the way of the Steelers. Antwan Randle El is the #3...in your honest opinion he is better that Emmanuel Sanders? Nope...but that is the Steeler way when it comes to young players. So where one is on the Steeler depth chart doesnt always mean it is based on a skill set.

OK..I am willing to bet by season end..Mike Wallace is considered the elite receiver on the Steelers.

Fair or not, it is reality.

[feltdizz]

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Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.

Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

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Can you imagine how good our receiving corps would be right now if we had Stonio with his skillset in there instead of ARE?

Too bad he couldn't keep away from his beloved weed.

[Crash]

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Could have had TO for less than what we are paying ARE.

[cruzer8]

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Well if you are focusing on the 61 then you probably wont see the point. Last year he was a rookie relegated to the #4 WR and probably 5th option. This year he is probably the 3rd option behind Hines and Heath. Look At what he has done with those 61. That is my point.

My point is this...when and if the Steeler realize he is their best option he is going to blow up.

Wallace is not our 3rd option. He is our #1B option.

Ben isn't looking to throw to Miller or Hines if Wallace is open. One thing we don't have to worry about is Ben looking at Miller too much. LOL.

Wallace is a deep threat... he is making great catches underneath but it's not like he is weaving through traffic and making players miss like Holmes was able to do. Wallace cn run past anyone.. but I think we are all waiting to see if he can run around guys underneath and make things happen in the 10 to 15 yard range.

However, with his speed it doesn't make sense to cap him.. he makes it easier for other guys to operate.

So those 76 receptions last season were by accident then?