I am starting to accept the fact that..…

[Dee Dub]

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I agree with you shawn. He is gonna get there, but really, is he in Andre Johnsons, Larry Fitzgerald, or these elite receivers league? not yet. maybe he'll make it there, but don't crown him.

And they arent Mike Wallace. Different skills sets. Neither of those two have the speed that Wallace has. And neither of those two and their teams have a Hines Ward, Heath Miller, etc. as complimentary receivers.

what do you mean by a Hines Ward, Heath Miller receiver?

These guys aren't running by anyone... they are hard nosed, gritty receivers but I think plenty of teams have receivers of their talent. It's the other things these 2 do that make them special IMO.

Simple for Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald and the teams they play on, name me the their equivalents to Hines Ward and Heath Miller. You cant because they dont have them. As a result this gives Mike Wallace an edge that they dont have.

[Dee Dub]

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It is amazing how so many people outside of Pittsburgh Steeler fans sees the coming/arrival of Mike Wallace but most Steelers fans don’t see this.

And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

Many here we go again….it’s the we need to keep Willie Parker fans all over again.

Who doesn't see that Wallace is very good? I'm not sure why you are so angry. Wallace just needs to put together a complete game before we call him elite.

Mike Wallace 2010 Projected 44 1014 23.0 10TD's

This is as maybe the number 3 target. I think if he were the go-to guy he'd be as elite as it gets.

[Crash]

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And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

The Saints DID NOT allow Wallace to get deep on them. They rolled coverage and doubled him.

That won't make El any better and it won't make Hines Ward 25 years old again.

[Dee Dub]

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And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

The Saints DID NOT allow Wallace to get deep on them. They rolled coverage and doubled him.

That won't make El any better and it won't make Hines Ward 25 years old again.

I am in agreement with you on El...but you are mistaken on the Saints rolling the coverage. They were constantly in an 8 and 9 man box. They were bringing the house after Ben. There was no deep safety over the top or rolled to Wallace's way.

[Shawn]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

It is amazing how so many people outside of Pittsburgh Steeler fans sees the coming/arrival of Mike Wallace but most Steelers fans don’t see this.

And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

Many here we go again….it’s the we need to keep Willie Parker fans all over again.

Who doesn't see that Wallace is very good? I'm not sure why you are so angry. Wallace just needs to put together a complete game before we call him elite.

Mike Wallace 2010 Projected 44 1014 23.0 10TD's

This is as maybe the number 3 target. I think if he were the go-to guy he'd be as elite as it gets.[/quote:274jt84b]

Elite WRs command the ball by getting open and by their play. If he is the third look that is very telling. Why do you think that is? Tomlin hates him? Why was Tomlin calling him a one trick pony? Maybe because it's true?

Until he learns to run a crisp route and get open not by speed but by smarts he will not be considered elite.

[Shawn]

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And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

The Saints DID NOT allow Wallace to get deep on them. They rolled coverage and doubled him.

That won't make El any better and it won't make Hines Ward 25 years old again.

I am in agreement with you on El...but you are mistaken on the Saints rolling the coverage. They were constantly in an 8 and 9 man box. They were bringing the house after Ben. There was no deep safety over the top or rolled to Wallace's way.

The announcers must have been wrong as well because they mentioned it during the game.

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=Shawn]

It is amazing how so many people outside of Pittsburgh Steeler fans sees the coming/arrival of Mike Wallace but most Steelers fans don’t see this.

And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

Many here we go again….it’s the we need to keep Willie Parker fans all over again.

Who doesn't see that Wallace is very good? I'm not sure why you are so angry. Wallace just needs to put together a complete game before we call him elite.

Mike Wallace 2010 Projected 44 1014 23.0 10TD's

This is as maybe the number 3 target. I think if he were the go-to guy he'd be as elite as it gets.

Elite WRs command the ball by getting open and by their play. If he is the third look that is very telling. Why do you think that is? Tomlin hates him? Why was Tomlin calling him a one trick pony? Maybe because it's true?

Until he learns to run a crisp route and get open not by speed but by smarts he will not be considered elite.[/quote:2goybrfp]

It is a trust issue. It is the way the Steelers have nearly always done things with young players. It doesnt mean it is the best way. You know this. Wallace caught 5 passes Monday night. You dont think he could have gotten another 3 or 4? I do. And when that day comes he is going to blow up. I think it could be now...and based on what was said by the Monday Night Crew, Tomlin believes Wallace is earning more.

[Crash]

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Last year he was a one trick pony.

He hasn't been this season.

A one trick pony now is Hines Ward, who you only see for the most part when we run a WR screen.

[Dee Dub]

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And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

The Saints DID NOT allow Wallace to get deep on them. They rolled coverage and doubled him.

That won't make El any better and it won't make Hines Ward 25 years old again.

I am in agreement with you on El...but you are mistaken on the Saints rolling the coverage. They were constantly in an 8 and 9 man box. They were bringing the house after Ben. There was no deep safety over the top or rolled to Wallace's way.

The announcers must have been wrong as well because they mentioned it during the game.

Did you not watch the game? Did you not see 8 and 9 at or inside the box for most of the game? Where they not bringing or showing blitz most of the night? How do you roll coverage with a safety when 8 or 9 inside the box leaves you one deep?? Makes no sense no matter who you heard it from.

I understand Shawn...your football knowledge is confined to what you hear or read. Cool.

[Dee Dub]

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Since Ben has come back here is a comparison between Hines Ward and Mike Wallace.

Hines

18 rec. 210 yards 11.6 YPC 3 TD’s

Wallace

13 rec. 296 yards 22.76 ypc 3 TD’s

I think it is time. But that’s just me.

Change the progression and Wallace is blowing Hines away. Let him be the #1 now and watch what happens.

[ikestops85]

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I'm siding with Dee Dub on this. Wallace is here ... I don't think he is elite yet but he is one of the better receivers in the league. Go to the Pats board right now and read what they are concerned about. They fear Wallace torching there beat up secondary.

Wallace has shown no fear running over the middle. His hands seem to be as reliable as anyone else on the team. I can't tell you that he runs the crispest routes in the world but he seems to get open. Ben is looking for him more and more.

I also don't get the criticism of Hines. He has never been a fast receiver. He has always gotten by on his grit and determination. That hasn't left him. I don't think he's the one they should be throwing to on the bubble screen. I'd rather see him block on that play but he is still a productive receiver.

ARE is the one of questionable value in my book. I know he is a veteran player but as I watched a ball go zinging by his head Monday night and him not having any idea it had been thrown I had to ask myself ... "Couldn't one of our rookies done that?" Sorry ARE but I think your time has passed. Keep Sanders and Brown active on game days and we have a better team.

[Dee Dub]

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Wallace has shown no fear running over the middle. His hands seem to be as reliable as anyone else on the team. I can't tell you that he runs the crispest routes in the world but he seems to get open. Ben is looking for him more and more.

And not only that but Wallace has shown the ability to go up after the ball and also come back for it. The under throw by ARE was a prime example. That ball should have been picked but Wallace had the skill set to come back and get it. And that is just as important as crisp route running...

I also don't get the criticism of Hines. He has never been a fast receiver. He has always gotten by on his grit and determination. That hasn't left him. I don't think he's the one they should be throwing to on the bubble screen. I'd rather see him block on that play but he is still a productive receiver.

I honestly think that if an when Wallace becomes to number 1 go-to guy this may rejuvenate and prolong Hines Ward's career. Teams are going to gear to stop Wallace. This is going to make the procession receiver much more available. See what Randy Moss did for Wes Welker.

ARE is the one of questionable value in my book. I know he is a veteran player but as I watched a ball go zinging by his head Monday night and him not having any idea it had been thrown I had to ask myself ... "Couldn't one of our rookies done that?" Sorry ARE but I think your time has passed. Keep Sanders and Brown active on game days and we have a better team.

Agreed 100%. I have no idea why ARE is suiting up. He brings very little value to this team. It’s that thing again…Steelers just don’t want to trust younger players.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Guys...I was reading this and saw it mentioned. Not sure who said it.

The last three games...The Steelers faced 2 deep man under when the Steelers went to "
"10" & "11" personnel. I hope you could follow. The same poster was correct at saying they faced 8 & 9 in the box but that is when the Steelers were in "13" ,"21","22", & "23" personnel. Being that Johnson is a TE/FB who knows what to call it.

[Shawn]

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[quote=Dee Dub][quote=Shawn]

It is amazing how so many people outside of Pittsburgh Steeler fans sees the coming/arrival of Mike Wallace but most Steelers fans don’t see this.

And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

Many here we go again….it’s the we need to keep Willie Parker fans all over again.

Who doesn't see that Wallace is very good? I'm not sure why you are so angry. Wallace just needs to put together a complete game before we call him elite.

Mike Wallace 2010 Projected 44 1014 23.0 10TD's

This is as maybe the number 3 target. I think if he were the go-to guy he'd be as elite as it gets.

Elite WRs command the ball by getting open and by their play. If he is the third look that is very telling. Why do you think that is? Tomlin hates him? Why was Tomlin calling him a one trick pony? Maybe because it's true?

Until he learns to run a crisp route and get open not by speed but by smarts he will not be considered elite.[/quote:1idcwkb3]

It is a trust issue. It is the way the Steelers have nearly always done things with young players. It doesnt mean it is the best way. You know this. Wallace caught 5 passes Monday night. You dont think he could have gotten another 3 or 4? I do. And when that day comes he is going to blow up. I think it could be now...and based on what was said by the Monday Night Crew, Tomlin believes Wallace is earning more.[/quote:1idcwkb3]

I don't think we disagree by much. I agree his time is coming...and sooner rather than later.

[Shawn]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

And Crash no one currently is doubling Mike Wallace. That day is coming but it isn’t here yet. And when it does it will open up everyone else.

The Saints DID NOT allow Wallace to get deep on them. They rolled coverage and doubled him.

That won't make El any better and it won't make Hines Ward 25 years old again.

I am in agreement with you on El...but you are mistaken on the Saints rolling the coverage. They were constantly in an 8 and 9 man box. They were bringing the house after Ben. There was no deep safety over the top or rolled to Wallace's way.

The announcers must have been wrong as well because they mentioned it during the game.

Did you not watch the game? Did you not see 8 and 9 at or inside the box for most of the game? Where they not bringing or showing blitz most of the night? How do you roll coverage with a safety when 8 or 9 inside the box leaves you one deep?? Makes no sense no matter who you heard it from.

I understand Shawn...your football knowledge is confined to what you hear or read. Cool.[/quote:2nacrbsc]

I don't claim to be a football guru like yourself. I am merely pointing out what the announcers said. And honestly, I rarely study the game when I'm watching football. Usually, I'm just watching as a casual fan.