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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
    • 10921

    Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

    Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

    By ALAN ROBINSON,
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    PITTSBURGH (AP)—The Pittsburgh Steelers expect to go through most or all of training camp without knowing the exact date when quarterback Ben Roethlisberger(notes) can play again.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell plans to visit the Steelers’ camp on Aug. 5, but the stop is not specifically related to Roethlisberger’s six-game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy. Goodell is visiting seven training camps during the first week of August.

    Goodell said the suspension could be reduced by two games if Roethlisberger has no more behavioral issues and does all that is asked by the league. Roethlisberger was suspended April 21 after being accused of, but not charged with, sexually assaulting a Georgia college student in March.

    “Toward the end of training camp is the timetable to find out,” Steelers president Art Rooney II said Tuesday.

    The Steelers’ final preseason game is Sept. 2. They open the season at home Sept. 12 at Atlanta, but the earliest that the two-time, Super Bowl-winning quarterback can return is Oct. 17 against Cleveland. Should Goodell decide not to reduce the suspension, Roethlisberger couldn’t play until Oct. 31 in New Orleans.

    “All we’re concerned about is Ben and, at this point, it’s six games,” director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. “Whether it gets reduced or not, it’s up to the commissioner.”
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    The uncertainty over when Roethlisberger can play could make an already challenging Steelers training camp even more difficult.

    Coach Mike Tomlin must find enough snaps in camp and during the exhibition games for Roethlisberger and the starter at the beginning of the season—almost certainly, Byron Leftwich(notes). Leftwich took nearly all the snaps with the starters when Roethlisberger was barred from practicing during the offseason.

    The Steelers also want to prepare third-year quarterback Dennis Dixon(notes), who started one game last season. Longtime backup Charlie Batch(notes) is also on the roster.

    “I don’t think they have a set rotation, I don’t think they have an exact 1-2-3 order,” Colbert said of the coaches. “I think over the course of the preseason they’ll get that. They also have to factor in how much work Ben will get knowing that he won’t be available for the minimum of four games.”

    While teams always work with multiple quarterbacks during camp, this is the first time an NFL team has known it must prepare two starting quarterbacks because of a suspension.

    “No question it’s an unusual situation and it’s a challenge for our coaching staff and our players, but I think we can have the guys who can do it,” Rooney said. “I know they’re determined to get it right. I think by the time the season opens we’ll be ready.”

    The Steelers open camp Friday at Saint Vincent College in Latrobe, with their first practice the following day. Roethlisberger can practice through the end of camp, but is barred from all team activities while suspended.

    Whenever Roethlisberger returns, Colbert has no worries about him being ready to play despite the lack of practicing. Roethlisberger threw for a career-high 4,328 yards last season, with 26 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions, although the Steelers missed the playoffs a season after winning their second Super Bowl in four seasons.

    “No, none whatsoever,” Colbert said. “Ben will be prepared. Ben is a super competitor that I think will come back with a real strong desire to prove that he’s still a great quarterback.”

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  • Crash
    Legend
    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    #2
    Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

    What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23824

      #3
      Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

      Originally posted by Crash
      What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
      If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • _SteeL_CurtaiN_
        Backup
        • Sep 2008
        • 258

        #4
        Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

        Originally posted by Oviedo
        Originally posted by Crash
        What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
        If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!

        Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.

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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #5
          Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

          Originally posted by _SteeL_CurtaiN_
          Originally posted by Oviedo
          Originally posted by Crash
          What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
          If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!

          Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.
          Art II could have handled this without getting the commish involved. He served up Ben to the commish so the commish could show he treats white players just as harshly as he does black players. IMO---This was a drill in non-affirmative action because the national sports media publicly came out and put a microscope on how Goodell would deal with this after his dealings with Pacman and Vick.

          Bottomline--if Ben is HIS employee, and it is HIS team why did he punt to the commish. Doesn't sound like someone interested in the interests of his team. Sounds like someone interested in his perception by the commish.
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • _SteeL_CurtaiN_
            Backup
            • Sep 2008
            • 258

            #6
            Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

            Originally posted by Oviedo
            Originally posted by _SteeL_CurtaiN_
            Originally posted by Oviedo
            Originally posted by Crash
            What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
            If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!

            Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.
            Art II could have handled this without getting the commish involved. He served up Ben to the commish so the commish could show he treats white players just as harshly as he does black players. IMO---This was a drill in non-affirmative action because the national sports media publicly came out and put a microscope on how Goodell would deal with this after his dealings with Pacman and Vick.

            Bottomline--if Ben is HIS employee, and it is HIS team why did he punt to the commish. Doesn't sound like someone interested in the interests of his team. Sounds like someone interested in his perception by the commish.

            Goodell would have suspended him anyway without Art II's input, IMO.

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            • stlrz d
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 9244

              #7
              Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

              Originally posted by _SteeL_CurtaiN_
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              Originally posted by Crash
              What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
              If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!

              Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.
              A company that would fire an employee over unfounded accusations would be facing a pretty hefty lawsuit.

              The Duke lacrosse players would be considered ordinary people, correct? Were they ever charged with anything?

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              • steelz09
                Administrator
                • Jan 2008
                • 4675

                #8
                Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                [quote=stlrz d]
                Originally posted by "_SteeL_CurtaiN_":m7lnhlb3
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Originally posted by Crash
                What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.
                If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent real crimes is driving me nuts!!!!

                Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.
                A company that would fire an employee over unfounded accusations would be facing a pretty hefty lawsuit.

                The Duke lacrosse players would be considered ordinary people, correct? Were they ever charged with anything?[/quote:m7lnhlb3]

                No -- They weren't charged but you can't compare those kids to Ben. Ben is older and should be more responsible. He's a 100-mil dollar QB, and a SB / Pro Bowler QB quarterback for a marque league and franchise.

                He is and SHOULD be held to a higher standard than some dumb young college kids that made a big mistake. Ben is also a role model for thousands of kids...
                Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                • Sugar
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 3700

                  #9
                  Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                  Originally posted by jhansle1
                  No -- They weren't charged but you can't compare those kids to Ben. Ben is older and should be more responsible. He's a 100-mil dollar QB, and a SB / Pro Bowler QB quarterback for a marque league and franchise.

                  He is and SHOULD be held to a higher standard than some dumb young college kids that made a big mistake. Ben is also a role model for thousands of kids...
                  See, I disagree. I can understand not liking Ben's behaviour. However, there is a standard and it's within the law. If that standard isn't violated then a person shouldn't be punished. Scorned, possibly, but not punished.

                  Ben is gonna make a whole lot of money one day in a tell-all book. Hopefully that will be long after the Commish and Rooney's have any say about his income.

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                  • stlrz d
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 9244

                    #10
                    Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                    [quote=jhansle1][quote=stlrz d][quote="_SteeL_CurtaiN_":75ybrcfi][quote=Oviedo][quote=Crash]What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.[/quote]

                    If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more recent [u]real[/u] crimes is driving me nuts!!!![/quote]


                    Stop throwing Art II in with Goodell, he has been at the helm since 2003 and delivered two championship teams in that time. The suspension is on the commish not the owner. If Art II concurs with the punishment so be it, it's HIS team and Ben is HIS employee. Private businesses have a right to expect and or demand responsible behaviour from their employees, I suspect most ordorinary people in Ben's situation would be outright fired and most likely face charges. I agree with your summorization of Goodell as a hypocrite but cannot agree that Art II is.[/quote]

                    A company that would fire an employee over unfounded accusations would be facing a pretty hefty lawsuit.

                    The Duke lacrosse players would be considered ordinary people, correct? Were they ever charged with anything?[/quote]

                    No -- They weren't charged but you can't compare those kids to Ben. Ben is older and should be more responsible. He's a 100-mil dollar QB, and a SB / Pro Bowler QB quarterback for a marque league and franchise.

                    He is and SHOULD be held to a higher standard than some dumb young college kids that made a big mistake. Ben is also a role model for thousands of kids...[/quote:75ybrcfi]

                    All that higher standard crap is just that...crap.

                    Ben went out with some buddies and was falsely accused of something.

                    It doesn't matter where he falls chronologically when compared to other individuals who were falsely accused of something.

                    Steelers fans all over the country have their little feelings hurt because people are giving them a hard time about Ben. To effin' bad. If they'd get over this ridiculous idea that the Steelers are somehow morally superior to every other team perhaps their little thin skins wouldn't take such a beating? Perhaps if they weren't shooting their big mouths off about how morally superior the Steelers are the ribbing wouldn't sting as much?

                    The Steelers have had issues with players throughout their history just as other NFL teams have had. It's well documented. They are NOT morally superior to other teams. They may have a different business approach, but as for morals, same old same old.

                    Here's a link to all the NFL arrests going back to 2000. The Steelers have 16 arrests since 2000. One more than the Ravens 15. [url="http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/"]http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/[/url] I did a sort by team and although I didn't go through the entire list (it became too tedious) I did go through several pages and 16 puts the Steelers at about the median for number of player arrests since 2000.

                    There is no moral superiority and once fans stop feeding on that BS maybe their little feelings won't hurt so much when the naughty fans of other teams *shudder* tease them.

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27531

                      #11
                      Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                      The Steelers can't stop a player from committing a crime. It's not how many players get arrested, it's what the teams do to the players once they are arrested.

                      Do they defend the player and treat him with kid gloves or work with the player to ensure it doesn't happen again?

                      You guys have t all wrong with the Rooneys. They don't kick every player to the curb but they are swift with the discipline and if they feel they can replace you they get rid of you quickly. The Rooneys have standards but they aren't fools either. If Ben was up for a new contract best believe he would be on the blok right now.

                      The Rooneys will let good players get away with one or 2 infractions but if they continue down that road they are gone. They can't prevent the arrest or foolishness but they are pretty noble about dealing with it.

                      There is a reason damn near every player who has played for us say we run things different from most. If you don't agree maybe you don't know this team as well as you think.
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • NJ-STEELER
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 12563

                        #12
                        Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                        [quote=stlrz d]
                        Originally posted by jhansle1
                        Originally posted by stlrz dquote="Oviedo":35z6p9u2][quote=Crash]What a misleading headline and article. It was always a fact that near the end of camp that it may be announced. Colbert and Rooney were at the Winter freaking Classic press conference and someone had to ask them.[/quote]

                        If it is not reduced when Goodell ignores everything else that has been done by players over the past six weeks then that is a crime. I'm sure "Art the Collaborator" will have great words of support for Goodell that only a slimey lawyer could spout (sorry phillyesq :wink: ). The hypocrisy of Goodell's discipline of Ben and ignoring all the more

                        No -- They weren't charged but you can't compare those kids to Ben. Ben is older and should be more responsible. He's a 100-mil dollar QB, and a SB / Pro Bowler QB quarterback for a marque league and franchise.

                        He is and SHOULD be held to a higher standard than some dumb young college kids that made a big mistake. Ben is also a role model for thousands of kids...[/quote]

                        All that higher standard crap is just that...crap.

                        Ben went out with some buddies and was falsely accused of something.

                        It doesn't matter where he falls chronologically when compared to other individuals who were falsely accused of something.

                        Steelers fans all over the country have their little feelings hurt because people are giving them a hard time about Ben. To effin' bad. If they'd get over this ridiculous idea that the Steelers are somehow morally superior to every other team perhaps their little thin skins wouldn't take such a beating? Perhaps if they weren't shooting their big mouths off about how morally superior the Steelers are the ribbing wouldn't sting as much?

                        The Steelers have had issues with players throughout their history just as other NFL teams have had. It's well documented. They are NOT morally superior to other teams. They may have a different business approach, but as for morals, same old same old.

                        Here's a link to all the NFL arrests going back to 2000. The Steelers have 16 arrests since 2000. One more than the Ravens 15. [url="http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/
                        http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/[/url] I did a sort by team and although I didn't go through the entire list (it became too tedious) I did go through several pages and 16 puts the Steelers at about the median for number of player arrests since 2000.

                        There is no moral superiority and once fans stop feeding on that BS maybe their little feelings won't hurt so much when the naughty fans of other teams *shudder* tease them.
                        [/quote:35z6p9u2]
                        dont forget the fans being hypocrits as well

                        didn't they vote fats holmes and liscombe to some 'all time' steeler teams.

                        the horror

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                        • stlrz d
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 9244

                          #13
                          Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          If Ben was up for a new contract best believe he would be on the blok right now.
                          Irrelevant. Can't be proved or disproved so it doesn't apply.


                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          There is a reason damn near every player who has played for us say we run things different from most. If you don't agree maybe you don't know this team as well as you think.
                          Yeah, they're talking about the business side of it. Maybe it's people like you who don't know the team as well as you think.

                          Of course you continue to prove with every post that you don't know much of anything. It's too bad you're not likable...then we could actually look past the idiocy that springs forth from your keyboard.

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #14
                            Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                            Originally posted by stlrz d
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            If Ben was up for a new contract best believe he would be on the blok right now.
                            Irrelevant. Can't be proved or disproved so it doesn't apply.


                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            There is a reason damn near every player who has played for us say we run things different from most. If you don't agree maybe you don't know this team as well as you think.
                            Yeah, they're talking about the business side of it. Maybe it's people like you who don't know the team as well as you think.

                            Of course you continue to prove with every post that you don't know much of anything. It's too bad you're not likable...then we could actually look past the idiocy that springs forth from your keyboard.
                            This whole episode with Ben is business. Wake up.

                            Oh... You think it's personal? Maybe that explains why every response you have to someone who doesn't agree with your view is filled with name calling.

                            I like how you avoided my response to your weak arrested player list. Oops, I forgot how turned on you get by players doing whatever they want off the field because they don't owe the Rooneys anything.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • steelz09
                              Administrator
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 4675

                              #15
                              Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

                              Personal? Get over it man.

                              I could care less about what any of these players, celebrities, or whatever do in their personal time. I care about how the Steelers perform. If they win a SB without Ben then good for the Steelers and Steeler Nation. I won't feel sorry for Ben.. it's his fault.

                              Does that sound personal? Your the one that takes all this personal crap.

                              I'm simply saying that a
                              franchise pro bowl / super bowl:
                              100-mil dollar qb
                              face of a franchise
                              face of a city
                              face of an organization
                              one of the faces of the NFL
                              and a role model for thousands of children should be held to a higher standard. They are professionals.

                              ..

                              Ben shouldn't be held to a higher standard than a couple young, stupid, lacrosse playing college students that aren't in the professional world, aren't role models, aren't a face of a billion dollar franchise and the NFL, and don't represent an entire city?

                              Wake up...What world are you living in?
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