Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Personal? Get over it man.

I could care less about what any of these players, celebrities, or whatever do in their personal time. I care about how the Steelers perform. If they win a SB without Ben then good for the Steelers and Steeler Nation. I won't feel sorry for Ben.. it's his fault.

Does that sound personal? Your the one that takes all this personal crap.

I'm simply saying that a
franchise pro bowl / super bowl:
100-mil dollar qb
face of a franchise
face of a city
face of an organization
one of the faces of the NFL
and a role model for thousands of children should be held to a higher standard. They are professionals.

..

Ben shouldn't be held to a higher standard than a couple young, stupid, lacrosse playing college students that aren't in the professional world, aren't role models, aren't a face of a billion dollar franchise and the NFL, and don't represent an entire city?

Wake up...What world are you living in?

I agree 100%. Not sure why you took offense to my response to StlrzD.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Personal? Get over it man.

I could care less about what any of these players, celebrities, or whatever do in their personal time. I care about how the Steelers perform. If they win a SB without Ben then good for the Steelers and Steeler Nation. I won't feel sorry for Ben.. it's his fault.

Does that sound personal? Your the one that takes all this personal crap.

I'm simply saying that a
franchise pro bowl / super bowl:
100-mil dollar qb
face of a franchise
face of a city
face of an organization
one of the faces of the NFL
and a role model for thousands of children should be held to a higher standard. They are professionals.

..

Ben shouldn't be held to a higher standard than a couple young, stupid, lacrosse playing college students that aren't in the professional world, aren't role models, aren't a face of a billion dollar franchise and the NFL, and don't represent an entire city?

Wake up...What world are you living in?

If a professional athlete is your child's role model then you are a bad parent.

I'm not taking anything personally, but people who make statements like "what Ben did to my team" are the ones taking this personally.

Ben did absolutely nothing wrong. He went to a bar with friends and was FALSELY accused of something. And for that supposed "fans" are ready to part ways with him and throw him under the bus every chance they get.

Those are the people taking this personally.

And your higher standard BS is just that. Ben was accused of something that he didn't do just like the Duke lacrosse players were accused of something they didn't do. Period.

[Sugar]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

If a professional athlete is your child's role model then you are a bad parent.

I'm not taking anything personally, but people who make statements like "what Ben did to my team" are the ones taking this personally.

Ben did absolutely nothing wrong. He went to a bar with friends and was FALSELY accused of something. And for that supposed "fans" are ready to part ways with him and throw him under the bus every chance they get.

Those are the people taking this personally.

And your higher standard BS is just that. Ben was accused of something that he didn't do just like the Duke lacrosse players were accused of something they didn't do. Period.

I guess I really don't need to post anything more about this, D is doing quite nicely on his own.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Oh, I get it...

Now strlzd is telling people how to parent. Your an expert on more than 1 thing

As far as the higher standard thing goes...these should all apply using your logic:

Standards

Ben = college lacrosse players

is to...

BP CEO = BP Gas Station Attendant

is to..

Army Private = U.S. President

Using your logic, then all of above are the equivalent and should be held to equal standards.

For example, since Ben shouldn't be held to a higher than a no-name, younger lacrosse player then your also saying...

The BP CEO is no more accountable and therefore should not be held to a higher standard for the gulf oil spill then a BP gas station attendant.

Additionally, a private in the US army should be held to the same standard as the United States President (Commander In Chief)...

lol! just sayin....

[Crash]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Why punish Ben because he's a great player? If a lesser NFL player is accused of rape shouldn't he get the same punishment as uncharged Ben, or is a rape investigation of a lesser player condoned by the NFL?

I'm sorry but once you suspend one uncharged NFL player because of an accusation of rape, any other player who gets accused (and especially charged) has to get the same treatment.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Why punish Ben because he's a great player? If a lesser NFL player is accused of rape shouldn't he get the same punishment as uncharged Ben, or is a rape investigation of a lesser player condoned by the NFL?

I'm sorry but once you suspend one uncharged NFL player because of an accusation of rape, any other player who gets accused (and especially charged) has to get the same treatment.

yeah you would hope that would be the case but it isnt. charged or not charged with a crime means nothing to goodell. high profile players and low profile players are not treated the same it seems. although vick is a pretty high profile player, not because of his talent though

[Eich]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Ben did absolutely nothing wrong. He went to a bar with friends and was FALSELY accused of something. And for that supposed "fans" are ready to part ways with him and throw him under the bus every chance they get.

I see your point and somewhat agree with it. But I wouldn't say that Ben did NOTHING wrong.

After already having a sexual lawsuit pending against him, he decided to go on with Benapalooza at a location where a ton of college girls were going to be. Not too smart. I believe Ben said that one of the girls asked him back to the dorms and he said something like, "That is a lawsuit ready to happen". Well, partying and buying drinks for college girls was a lawsuit ready to happen as well. We all know under-aged college girls go to college bars with fake ids. This is nothing new.

But then Ben decides to fool around with a girl in the back bathroom of the club and the girl turns out to be so drunk, she can barely walk or speak properly. Again - given who he is and the fact that he's already got an assault lawsuit against him, this was really stupid.

So, while I don't think Ben did anything illegal, he sure did some stupid and very reckless things, particularly given the situation with his former accusation and pending lawsuit.

Ben should definitely be punished for being so stupid and so reckless with his image and the image of team and league. But the FANS should not be so heavily punished for his actions with a 4-6 game suspension. Make Ben go to counseling, make him pay a fine, chastise him publicly. But the suspension is absurd.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Oh, I get it...

Now strlzd is telling people how to parent. Your an expert on more than 1 thing

As far as the higher standard thing goes...these should all apply using your logic:

Standards

Ben = college lacrosse players

is to...

BP CEO = BP Gas Station Attendant

is to..

Army Private = U.S. President

Using your logic, then all of above are the equivalent and should be held to equal standards.

For example, since Ben shouldn't be held to a higher than a no-name, younger lacrosse player then your also saying...

The BP CEO is no more accountable and therefore should not be held to a higher standard for the gulf oil spill then a BP gas station attendant.

Additionally, a private in the US army should be held to the same standard as the United States President (Commander In Chief)...

lol! just sayin....

LOL my a$$. You're another typical, "Ben did this to my team" fan who keeps moving the goal posts on him. You'd like nothing more than for him to sit at home twiddling his thumbs, only to come out when it's time to play football.

And yes, if athletes are role models for your children then you are a bad parent. A good parent teaches them to appreciate what athletes are capable of on the field, and even to strive to be like them on the field, but also to understand that they are just people too and capable of being bad people at that.

Eich - I live in an NFL city and have tended bar in this NFL city for many years. I see what NFL players do when they're out and therefore stand by my statement that Ben did nothing wrong. I can see your points as well but the bottom line is Ben went out to have a good time and was falsely accused of something.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

You got me... You were right this whole time.... lol

I have a personal agenda to "attack" Ben. This thread belongs over at the old trib forums.

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

If all players were paid the same then I would agree that all players should be punished the same. However those who are considered elite and high profile are held to a higher standard whether its by the league or their individual FO's

As far as the Duke boys being on Bens level. Not sure about that but I will say this... Both parties were warned about their behavior and told to keep it clean. Both parties put themselves in positions to be judged and based on their past transgressions its easy to see why the media would throw them under the bus.

Ben not being able to speak due to an open civil case says a lot about why he was treated as such.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

You got me... You were right this whole time.... lol

I have a personal agenda to "attack" Ben. This thread belongs over at the old trib forums.

No, you're taking it personally. That's entirely different than what you posted.

el oh el.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous have a similar explanation like was given for the 'role model' comment.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous to here similar to the explanation that was given for the 'role model' comment.

How about this example

BP CEO is accused of groping his secretary...no charges are filed/no evidence but he is asked to quit as per company policy/bad name to the company.

Now your BP gas station assistant hammers a pregnant woman on camera..He is charged for assault.

Do you believe since he is an employee who earn 40K/yr no action should be taken against him by the company??? What happens to company policies in this scenario???

Are we not not talking about code of conduct policy by A-Hole Commish.Should he not be applying it to all the players who break the rules?? Is NFL not an equal oppurtunity employer??

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

You are basically confirming what I am saying...

I never compared Ben's situation to another NFL player. It was to a Duke college student. And remember, my comment was based about level of "standards".... not legalities.

It's difficult to say when you compare how a situation should be handled if charges are filed compared to if no charges have been filed. Again, I'm not a lawyer and my comment wasn't based on that. My comment was based on someone being held to higher standards.

In your scenario, I still say that the CEO should be held to a higher standard even though he may not have been 'charged'. I tend to think of it in this manor. If the BP CEO got in trouble for something significant, what would typically happen?

CEO (Description: likely older, more responsible, educated, corporate experience)
1) If he is asked to leave then a re-organization could occur which is always a "shake-up" in the corporate world
2) Stock prices typically are impacted. Shareholders could lose significant amounts of money (possibly millions for high-stake shareholders)
3) Company rep takes a international hit. Situation will be all over the national and international media
4) Company ethical perception could be impacted
5) Possible jail time for CEO and you can be certain that further investigations will follow
6) Some people will stop going to BP stations (like now due to the oil spill) impacting future revenue.

BP Gas Station Attendant (likely less educated, possibly no corporate experience)
1) The person would typically be fired
2) Possible Jail Time
3) Local News / Newspaper story (national media outlets would not be interested)

and that's about it....

Comparing the two... which person would you hold to a higher standard? As I did before, we can more easily do a comparison between Ben and a Duke college student.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous have a similar explanation like was given for the 'role model' comment.

It wasn't worth responding to. A crime is a crime is a crime no matter who commits it. Just as a false accusation is a false accusation is a false accusation no matter who it's leveled against.

All this higher standard talk is just another excuse for fans to hide behind because THEY hold athletes on "their" team to a higher standard. How many times have you seen someone post the following, "I don't care what players on other teams do, I care what players on MY team do"? That's not universal to the Steelers. Fans of all teams in all sports spout that BS.

We were all in our 20s at one point and every one of us wishes that when we were in our 20s we had the kind of money these guys have so we could be livin' it up just like they do. This higher standard BS that fans spew is out of envy for not having the same bank and the same opportunities as these guys. It's a love/hate relationship. Fans love them as performers on their team but then hate the privileges they receive...so when a player does something even REMOTELY questionable the judgment from the fans who wish they could be them rains down. Right along with the "if I were so-and-so athlete I would never do something like so-and-so did". Pretty fscking easy to say when you'll never be in that position.