Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

[Boomerang]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

[quote=stlrz d]

If Ben was up for a new contract best believe he would be on the blok right now.

Irrelevant. Can't be proved or disproved so it doesn't apply.

There is a reason damn near every player who has played for us say we run things different from most. If you don't agree maybe you don't know this team as well as you think.

Yeah, they're talking about the business side of it. Maybe it's people like you who don't know the team as well as you think.

Of course you continue to prove with every post that you don't know much of anything. It's too bad you're not likable...then we could actually look past the idiocy that springs forth from your keyboard.

This whole episode with Ben is business. Wake up.

Oh... You think it's personal? Maybe that explains why every response you have to someone who doesn't agree with your view is filled with name calling.

I like how you avoided my response to your weak arrested player list. Oops, I forgot how turned on you get by players doing whatever they want off the field because they don't owe the Rooneys anything.

Easy Felt. Doesn't STLRZD threaten to leave a site for good when his feelings are hurt? He is like the kid on the playground that when the call doesn't go in his favor he leaves until everyone changes the call then he comes back. What is another word for Cat? That is STLRZD.

You should have chosen "Herpes" as your username. It would be much more appropriate. You're a virus that keeps coming back despite no one wanting you back.[/quote:2s5k51s8]

"Reincarnation" would have been another but I am not sure who we are talking about. What's your beef with that dude did he screw your girlfriend or something. Oh wait, I was assuming you were into chicks, sorry.

[birtikidis]

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guys, the serving alcohol to under age people arguement is pretty weak. No lie, I was at a club in gaiensville and saw some of my former students there. not a one of them were over 18. in fact two were 16. and each and every one of them had a wrist band. how'd they get it you ask? simple, they had someone else slide theres off and then they slid there's on. I told one of the cops outside the club and they didn't do a damn thing. sounds to me like he was in a college town where bouncers are a little slack on their judgement (I know where I went to school they were slack.. gotta love EUP)... I used to get into bars when I was in high school when I lived near Edinboro.

[feltdizz]

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guys, the serving alcohol to under age people arguement is pretty weak. No lie, I was at a club in gaiensville and saw some of my former students there. not a one of them were over 18. in fact two were 16. and each and every one of them had a wrist band. how'd they get it you ask? simple, they had someone else slide theres off and then they slid there's on. I told one of the cops outside the club and they didn't do a damn thing. sounds to me like he was in a college town where bouncers are a little slack on their judgement (I know where I went to school they were slack.. gotta love EUP)... I used to get into bars when I was in high school when I lived near Edinboro.

I think you are making our point though birt regarding a college bar. If you had a civil suit with your name attached and were worth a 100 mill I would think t was a bad idea to party at that bar and buy drinks.

We all know how college bars can be and how lax the bouncers and cops usually are... It's notthe best place for a guy of Ben's stature to have fun given the target on his back IMO.

Did you buy a round of shots for the kids since they had wrist bands?

[ikestops85]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

guys, the serving alcohol to under age people arguement is pretty weak. No lie, I was at a club in gaiensville and saw some of my former students there. not a one of them were over 18. in fact two were 16. and each and every one of them had a wrist band. how'd they get it you ask? simple, they had someone else slide theres off and then they slid there's on. I told one of the cops outside the club and they didn't do a damn thing. sounds to me like he was in a college town where bouncers are a little slack on their judgement (I know where I went to school they were slack.. gotta love EUP)... I used to get into bars when I was in high school when I lived near Edinboro.

I think you are making our point though birt regarding a college bar. If you had a civil suit with your name attached and were worth a 100 mill I would think t was a bad idea to party at that bar and buy drinks.

We all know how college bars can be and how lax the bouncers and cops usually are... It's notthe best place for a guy of Ben's stature to have fun given the target on his back IMO.

Did you buy a round of shots for the kids since they had wrist bands?

Ben never bought a round of shots for underage kids either. Why can't some of you understand this? The bar SERVED the shots to the underaged girls and someone else PAID for them. So technically Ben had nothing to do with buying alcohol for underaged girls.

Now I'm sure you are basing your argument on the fact Ben said "Take my shot, bitches" or something to that effect. Is that where he violated the so called "higher standards"?

How do you expect Ben to live up to a standard that only exists in the commissioners mind? That is my problem with this entire incident. If their are clear standards which state Ben can't drink at bars that admit underage patrons or Ben can't go to a strip club or Ben isn't allowed out after 6:00 pm or any clear definitive statement that Ben violated I would not have a problem with the suspension.

I do have a problem with saying he violated a mythical "higher standard". I've said this many times but what constitutes that standard? Does a speeding ticket violate it? What about reckless driving? What about adultery? How about homosexuality? Can you be suspended for these things?

I also have a problem with suspending players for things out of their control. For example, Vicks dog fighting buddy showing up at his birthday party or the amount of publicity an act receives or random unprovable accusations. Players need to be held accountable for their own actions ... not the actions of others.

[feltdizz]

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You may be right Ike. However, I think you are looking at it from a law angle. I'm looking at it from a corporate angle. I don't think the Rooneys or Goodell care who actual paid the tab.

I don't care if the bar put the tab on the house and the drinks were free. Ben has too much to lose to be in a bar with college chicks that surely have a few under aged girls woith wrist bands. Now Ben may have gone to this bar a bunch of times without incident but if I'm the Rooneys or his lawyer and I found out he was there I woud advise against it.

It may not seem fair but them be the breaks when you have a civil suit with your name in it next to rape. A fun night out can easily go wrong, drunk college chicks at an 18 and up bar certainly increases the risk

[feltdizz]

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One other thing... I agree players SHOULD be held acountable for their actions but the unfortunate reality is they are usually held accountable for their actions and the actions of those around them.

[cruzer8]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

guys, the serving alcohol to under age people arguement is pretty weak. No lie, I was at a club in gaiensville and saw some of my former students there. not a one of them were over 18. in fact two were 16. and each and every one of them had a wrist band. how'd they get it you ask? simple, they had someone else slide theres off and then they slid there's on. I told one of the cops outside the club and they didn't do a damn thing. sounds to me like he was in a college town where bouncers are a little slack on their judgement (I know where I went to school they were slack.. gotta love EUP)... I used to get into bars when I was in high school when I lived near Edinboro.

I think you are making our point though birt regarding a college bar. If you had a civil suit with your name attached and were worth a 100 mill I would think t was a bad idea to party at that bar and buy drinks.

We all know how college bars can be and how lax the bouncers and cops usually are... It's notthe best place for a guy of Ben's stature to have fun given the target on his back IMO.

Did you buy a round of shots for the kids since they had wrist bands?

Ben never bought a round of shots for underage kids either. Why can't some of you understand this? The bar SERVED the shots to the underaged girls and someone else PAID for them. So technically Ben had nothing to do with buying alcohol for underaged girls.

Now I'm sure you are basing your argument on the fact Ben said "Take my shot, bitches" or something to that effect. Is that where he violated the so called "higher standards"?

How do you expect Ben to live up to a standard that only exists in the commissioners mind? That is my problem with this entire incident. If their are clear standards which state Ben can't drink at bars that admit underage patrons or Ben can't go to a strip club or Ben isn't allowed out after 6:00 pm or any clear definitive statement that Ben violated I would not have a problem with the suspension.

I do have a problem with saying he violated a mythical "higher standard". I've said this many times but what constitutes that standard? Does a speeding ticket violate it? What about reckless driving? What about adultery? How about homosexuality? Can you be suspended for these things?

I also have a problem with suspending players for things out of their control. For example, Vicks dog fighting buddy showing up at his birthday party or the amount of publicity an act receives or random unprovable accusations. Players need to be held accountable for their own actions ... not the actions of others.

[birtikidis]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

guys, the serving alcohol to under age people arguement is pretty weak. No lie, I was at a club in gaiensville and saw some of my former students there. not a one of them were over 18. in fact two were 16. and each and every one of them had a wrist band. how'd they get it you ask? simple, they had someone else slide theres off and then they slid there's on. I told one of the cops outside the club and they didn't do a damn thing. sounds to me like he was in a college town where bouncers are a little slack on their judgement (I know where I went to school they were slack.. gotta love EUP)... I used to get into bars when I was in high school when I lived near Edinboro.

I think you are making our point though birt regarding a college bar. If you had a civil suit with your name attached and were worth a 100 mill I would think t was a bad idea to party at that bar and buy drinks.

We all know how college bars can be and how lax the bouncers and cops usually are... It's notthe best place for a guy of Ben's stature to have fun given the target on his back IMO.

Did you buy a round of shots for the kids since they had wrist bands?

I kind of view it this way: It's where I live (Ben has a house near there), so yea I can go out and drink alcohol anywhere I want to. If Vince Young can beat up strippers why can't Ben go into a college bar? when i was teaching, they told us not to go to bars or strip clubs. it's a job not my nanny.

[feltdizz]

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Well Ben felt the same way and ended up being accused of assualt. Its a risk he was willing to take and it had a bad ending. Thank goodness Ben wants to keep his job and is doing all the right things now. I would hate to see him right back in a bar getting another charge because he feels like he is being nannied.

[grotonsteel]

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I would hate to see him right back in a bar

[ikestops85]

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You may be right Ike. However, I think you are looking at it from a law angle. I'm looking at it from a corporate angle. I don't think the Rooneys or Goodell care who actual paid the tab.

I don't care if the bar put the tab on the house and the drinks were free. Ben has too much to lose to be in a bar with college chicks that surely have a few under aged girls woith wrist bands. Now Ben may have gone to this bar a bunch of times without incident but if I'm the Rooneys or his lawyer and I found out he was there I woud advise against it.

It may not seem fair but them be the breaks when you have a civil suit with your name in it next to rape. A fun night out can easily go wrong, drunk college chicks at an 18 and up bar certainly increases the risk

I understand they are looking at it from a corporate angle. I just looked at it from a legal standpoint to see if they had a leg to stand on. They don't. So let me ask you this question.

Who is the one standing on the moral high ground? The person who has done NOTHING wrong aside from being stupid or the people who are capitulating to special interests and media sensationalism by punishing a guy just to make their lives easier.

Kinda funny but the more I think of it Ben is on the moral high ground with this issue and I didn't think that way when this first broke.

[feltdizz]

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I would hate to see him right back in a bar

Laugh if you want but people keep talking like Ben can continue down the same road because he was a victim of slut love and didn't do anything wrong.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

You may be right Ike. However, I think you are looking at it from a law angle. I'm looking at it from a corporate angle. I don't think the Rooneys or Goodell care who actual paid the tab.

I don't care if the bar put the tab on the house and the drinks were free. Ben has too much to lose to be in a bar with college chicks that surely have a few under aged girls woith wrist bands. Now Ben may have gone to this bar a bunch of times without incident but if I'm the Rooneys or his lawyer and I found out he was there I woud advise against it.

It may not seem fair but them be the breaks when you have a civil suit with your name in it next to rape. A fun night out can easily go wrong, drunk college chicks at an 18 and up bar certainly increases the risk

I understand they are looking at it from a corporate angle. I just looked at it from a legal standpoint to see if they had a leg to stand on. They don't. So let me ask you this question.

Who is the one standing on the moral high ground? The person who has done NOTHING wrong aside from being stupid or the people who are capitulating to special interests and media sensationalism by punishing a guy just to make their lives easier.

Kinda funny but the more I think of it Ben is on the moral high ground with this issue and I didn't think that way when this first broke.

Excellent point. He knows he was railroaded and he's taking it without making a stink about it.

[steelz09]

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Railroaded or not... high standards or not...

If this happens again (falsely accused or not), I guarantee Big Ben won't be playing on the Steelers any longer.

So the argument of "doing nothing wrong" which results in another accusation (false or not) isn't a valid excuse for the Rooney's from a business perspective.

I'd hate for that to happen because then we'll probably have to wait for another 20 years to get another SB. But I don't think the Rooney's will put up with it again regardless if he's guilty or not. This is his last chance.

What I really don't understand is why isn't he hooking up with some model, celebrity or whatever instead of some college student that could get him into trouble (and did). A college student(s) that can see $$ signs when they see Big Ben in a bar, knowing his current status, possibly his previous Nevada incident, etc. It's a bad thing waiting to happen. Go get a girl that doesn't need your money or fame, Ben!

[Ghost]

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All you PlanetSteelers b!tches need to take some shots!!

Let's move on - you're not going to change any opinions on either side. Ben is in camp and in fantastic shape. The coaches are looking at which QB is going to lead them in the first 4 games. I'll be disappointed if they don't go AT LEAST 2-2 into the bye week. Pouncey looks strong! Sanders is running good routes.

There are so many other topics to discuss now that camp has opened:

A peanut is neither a pea nor a nut.....discuss!