Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

[grotonsteel]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous have a similar explanation like was given for the 'role model' comment.

It wasn't worth responding to. A crime is a crime is a crime no matter who commits it. Just as a false accusation is a false accusation is a false accusation no matter who it's leveled against.

All this higher standard talk is just another excuse for fans to hide behind because THEY hold athletes on "their" team to a higher standard. How many times have you seen someone post the following, "I don't care what players on other teams do, I care what players on MY team do"? That's not universal to the Steelers. Fans of all teams in all sports spout that BS.

We were all in our 20s at one point and every one of us wishes that when we were in our 20s we had the kind of money these guys have so we could be livin' it up just like they do. This higher standard BS that fans spew is out of envy for not having the same bank and the same opportunities as these guys. It's a love/hate relationship. Fans love them as performers on their team but then hate the privileges they receive...so when a player does something even REMOTELY questionable the judgment from the fans who wish they could be them rains down. Right along with the "if I were so-and-so athlete I would never do something like so-and-so did". Pretty fscking easy to say when you'll never be in that position.

That is a slam dunk....

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous have a similar explanation like was given for the 'role model' comment.

It wasn't worth responding to. A crime is a crime is a crime no matter who commits it. Just as a false accusation is a false accusation is a false accusation no matter who it's leveled against.

All this higher standard talk is just another excuse for fans to hide behind because THEY hold athletes on "their" team to a higher standard. How many times have you seen someone post the following, "I don't care what players on other teams do, I care what players on MY team do"? That's not universal to the Steelers. Fans of all teams in all sports spout that BS.

We were all in our 20s at one point and every one of us wishes that when we were in our 20s we had the kind of money these guys have so we could be livin' it up just like they do. This higher standard BS that fans spew is out of envy for not having the same bank and the same opportunities as these guys. It's a love/hate relationship. Fans love them as performers on their team but then hate the privileges they receive...so when a player does something even REMOTELY questionable the judgment from the fans who wish they could be them rains down. Right along with the "if I were so-and-so athlete I would never do something like so-and-so did". Pretty fscking easy to say when you'll never be in that position.

Having high standards is not BS for a lot of people. Many people have values and standards by which we live. Many people, including Ben, the organization, and NFL thought Ben should conduct himself in a manner that lives up to certain standards and values. Ben knew the standards and values that were set. He did not live up to those expectations. That is basically what it boils down to for a lot for a lot of people, including Ben.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Your right...



I never got a response to the standards comparisons that I made... can you please explain how the comparisons I made are any different than the Ben to Duke players comparison please???

Explain your "fuzzy" logic please. It'll be humorous have a similar explanation like was given for the 'role model' comment.

It wasn't worth responding to. A crime is a crime is a crime no matter who commits it. Just as a false accusation is a false accusation is a false accusation no matter who it's leveled against.

All this higher standard talk is just another excuse for fans to hide behind because THEY hold athletes on "their" team to a higher standard. How many times have you seen someone post the following, "I don't care what players on other teams do, I care what players on MY team do"? That's not universal to the Steelers. Fans of all teams in all sports spout that BS.

We were all in our 20s at one point and every one of us wishes that when we were in our 20s we had the kind of money these guys have so we could be livin' it up just like they do. This higher standard BS that fans spew is out of envy for not having the same bank and the same opportunities as these guys. It's a love/hate relationship. Fans love them as performers on their team but then hate the privileges they receive...so when a player does something even REMOTELY questionable the judgment from the fans who wish they could be them rains down. Right along with the "if I were so-and-so athlete I would never do something like so-and-so did". Pretty fscking easy to say when you'll never be in that position.

Having high standards is not BS for a lot of people. Many people have values and standards by which we live. Many people, including Ben, the organization, and NFL thought Ben should conduct himself in a manner that lives up to certain standards and values. Ben knew the standards and values that were set. He did not live up to those expectations. That is basically what it boils down to for a lot for a lot of people, including Ben.

Very simply put and that is exactly what we're referring too. Like my comparison to the president...

I would hold the Commander in Chief to a higher standard than a new army private. The Command in Chief should and will be held to a higher standard due to the rank. I don't know how to explain that in any more clarity.

Can anyone honestly say that they would hold a army private to the same standards as the Commander in Chief? I didn't think so.

For example, The army private can do certain things without such levels of criticism because of the status.. he/she isn't under the spotlight to the extent of the command in chief regarding every decision. It's not to say that both may or may not make the same wrong decisions. It's just the the commander in chief will get criticized more because of his rank, position, etc. That all comes with the position and being under the microscope.

Yes, a crime is a crime is a crime (obviously!). However, this conversation isn't about crimes... it's about standards for certain individuals.

The same comparison can be made for Ben....

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

this was never about a crime.

It's about the expectations for a $100 million dollar QB who already has an open civil case with his name next to rape. There are expectations and Ben didn't live up to them.

I have no idea why people are trashing the Steeler way. While I agree our players get in just as much trouble as other teams our FO is one of the best at taming bad behavior.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

taming bad behavior.

Bad behavior???

When did a single guy on his b'day going to a club became a bad behavior?????????

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

taming bad behavior.

Bad behavior???

When did a single guy on his b'day going to a club became a bad behavior?????????

When it results in a second accusation of sexual assualt

Again.... it's not about a crime... it's about perception. The Nevada case is like a stacked deck. No need for Ben to gamble when the deck is stacked against him.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

taming bad behavior.

Bad behavior???

When did a single guy on his b'day going to a club became a bad behavior?????????

That's the whole point they'll never, ever get man. Ever.

Ben did nothing wrong, was falsely accused of something and suddenly he's "putting himself in a bad position" and the fact that he's contrite about it is evidence that he did something wrong.

He's contrite about it so he can get back to kicking a$$ on the football field after 4 games and not 6. Period.

Perception doesn't mean a pinch of $hit when other players are being CONVICTED of crimes and getting off with no suspension. Ben was railroaded by the media from day one.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

taming bad behavior.

Bad behavior???

When did a single guy on his b'day going to a club became a bad behavior?????????

That's the whole point they'll never, ever get man. Ever.

Ben did nothing wrong, was falsely accused of something and suddenly he's "putting himself in a bad position" and the fact that he's contrite about it is evidence that he did something wrong.

He's contrite about it so he can get back to kicking a$$ on the football field after 4 games and not 6. Period.

Perception doesn't mean a pinch of $hit when other players are being CONVICTED of crimes and getting off with no suspension. Ben was railroaded by the media from day one.

Perception is everything.... you keep bringing up crimes and convictions... no one cares about those petty bar brawls besides Steeler fans who want justice.

That's just the way it is when you win 2 SB's... Ben is on a different level than these other jokers who no one cares about.

[stlrz d]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

I'm sure you always check the ID of anyone you buy a drink for...especially in a bar where bouncers are checking at the door, right?

right back atcha.

[steelz09]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

I'm sure you always check the ID of anyone you buy a drink for...especially in a bar where bouncers are checking at the door, right?

right back atcha.

Like you said .. the law is the law is the law .. as you would say. He still broke it by providing alcohol to a underage girl. Just using your own words my friend.

[feltdizz]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

I'm sure you always check the ID of anyone you buy a drink for...especially in a bar where bouncers are checking at the door, right?

right back atcha.

Like you said .. the law is the law is the law .. as you would say. He still broke it by providing alcohol to a underage girl. Just using your own words my friend.

I don't think Ben should have to ID every girl at the bar....

but only a fool would think every chick at a college bar that is 18 and up would be 21 and legit.

[Crash]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

They had fake IDs and over 21 wrist bands. Thats the clubs responsibility as soon as they place the tray on the bar.

[Crash]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

So why wasn't Willie Colon suspended? He paid one of the tabs, if an under aged girl had one drink on that tab, Colon broke the law.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Steelers unsure if QB’s suspension will be cut

Not to fuel the fire.. but he did do something wrong...

serving alcohol to underage girls...

The law is the law is the law... remember?

I'm sure you always check the ID of anyone you buy a drink for...especially in a bar where bouncers are checking at the door, right?

right back atcha.

Like you said .. the law is the law is the law .. as you would say. He still broke it by providing alcohol to a underage girl. Just using your own words my friend.

I don't think Ben should have to ID every girl at the bar....

but only a fool would think every chick at a college bar that is 18 and up would be 21 and legit.

I think you don't frequent clubs/pubs which are 18 and over.

When you visit these clubs if you are 21 and up bouncers provide you a wrist brand. Some clubs might offer a stamp on your hand instead of wrist band. When you approach a girl and offer her a drink you can see the wrist band pretty easily. The wrist band becomes their license to drink and this how you differentiate an 18 or 21 and up girl in these clubs.

Even bartenders look at wristband when you ask them for a drink. They don't ask for your id there. If they don't see the wristband they don't serve you a drink simple or request you to get a wristband.

Now if a person or bartender provide a girl with a drink who has a wristband provided by the club and if the girl entered club using a fake id i don't think that person or bartender should be held responsible for serving alcohol to an under 21 girl. Its between the club management and the girl who created a fake id.