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  • RuthlessBurgher
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    • May 2008
    • 33208

    Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

    Build a pre-combine first round draft board for the Steelers that is 18 players deep. If everyone in the entire draft were available when we picked, who would be your top choice for us? Your next choice? The worst case scenario that you would be willing to live with at #18? My personal list of 18 consists only of defensive players and offensive linemen.

    I know some folks are high on C.J. Spiller, for example, and while I feel that he will be a quality NFL player, I would go nuts if we spent our first round pick on another offensive skill player when we have bigger needs elsewhere. Therefore, Spiller, Dez Bryant, Sam Bradford, and Jimmy Clausen are not in my personal list of 18, even though I fully expect all of them to be drafted in the top half of the first round. Also, certain players such as Derrick Morgan, Jason-Pierre Paul, and Brian Price don't necessaily fit into our scheme, so I did not include them in my list for the Steelers either.

    I didn't include any CB's except for Haden because I think it is a deep draft for corners, with the 12th corner not all that far behind the 2nd corner, so I would rather wait until round 2 or 3 to draft a CB and get better overall value with my CB pick, if I am unable to draft the premier CB in the draft. It is difficult to compare, say, Kyle Wilson to Terrence Cody or Maurkice Pouncey directly (ya think?). Even though I like Wilson a lot, I decided to include Pouncey and Cody at the bottom of my list and not Wilson because there is a bigger dropoff to the next tier of centers and nose tackles, while there are multiple CB's that I consider to be on par with Wilson (guys like Warren, Ghee, Cox, McCourty, etc.). Not that it means all that much though...as soon as the top 2 QB's get drafted ahead of us, Cody and Pouncey would get eliminated from consideration on my first round big board anyway.

    Anyway, here goes:

    1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
    2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
    3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
    4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
    5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
    6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
    7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
    8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
    9. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
    10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
    11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
    12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
    13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
    14. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
    15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
    16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
    17. Maurkice Pouncey, C/G, Florida
    18. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama

    Since I expect a half-dozen or so other guys that aren't on my list to go ahead of us in the first round of the draft (such as Clausen, Bradford, Bryant, Spiller, Morgan, Pierre-Paul, Price), I would hopefully be looking to draft one of the guys in my top dozen, and I would be very happy with any of them.

    I ended up with 7 o-linemen (5 OT, 1 G, 1 C), 5 d-lineman (2 NT, 3 DE in a 3-4), 3 linebackers (2 ILB, 1 OLB), and 3 in the secondary (2 FS, 1 CB).

    What are your top 18 Steeler draft targets, ranked in order from #1 to #18?
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.
  • Lebsteel
    Pro Bowler
    • May 2008
    • 1007

    #2
    Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

    1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
    2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
    3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
    4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
    5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
    6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
    7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
    8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
    9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
    10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
    11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
    12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
    13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
    14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
    15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
    16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
    17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
    18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA
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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35649

      #3
      Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

      good one, actually made me think...


      1) Eric Berry FS
      2) Ndamukong Suh DT
      3) Gerald McCoy DT
      4) Joe Haden CB
      5) Rolando McClain ILB
      6) Russell Okung OT
      7) Brian Bulaga OT
      Anthony Davis OT
      9) Dan Williams NT
      10) Earl Thomas FS
      11) Jared Odrick DE
      12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
      13) Bruce Campbell OT
      14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
      15) Mike Iupati OG
      16) Terrence Cody NT
      17) Maurkice Pouncey C
      1 Trent Williams OT

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      • RuthlessBurgher
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #4
        Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

        Originally posted by Lebsteel
        1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
        2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
        3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
        4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
        5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
        6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
        7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
        8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
        9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
        10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
        11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
        12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
        13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
        14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
        15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
        16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
        17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
        18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA
        I thought I was the only one here who saw top 10 potential in Bruce Campbell.

        You being high on Odrick is no secret at this point.

        You bumped my final two (not surprising) for Mays and Price. I haven't been a Mays fan even though he is an amazing physical specimen, because the safety I am looking for would be a ballhawk (since our corners are unable to make plays on the ball, I don't need a safety that is lacking coverage ability and ball skills). I still think Mays would make a phenomenally athletic linebacker in a Tampa 2 defense if he bulked up a bit. I realize that it is your last pick, the worst case scenario first round pick that would never happen because we wouldn't have a draft that went 17 picks without a QB, RB, or WR being taken (I put Cody there, and I am by no means enamored with him), but where would you put Price if we happened to draft him (hypothetically...just asking)?
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • RuthlessBurgher
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 33208

          #5
          Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
          good one, actually made me think...


          1) Eric Berry FS
          2) Ndamukong Suh DT
          3) Gerald McCoy DT
          4) Joe Haden CB
          5) Rolando McClain ILB
          6) Russell Okung OT
          7) Brian Bulaga OT
          Anthony Davis OT
          9) Dan Williams NT
          10) Earl Thomas FS
          11) Jared Odrick DE
          12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
          13) Bruce Campbell OT
          14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
          15) Mike Iupati OG
          16) Terrence Cody NT
          17) Maurkice Pouncey C
          1 Trent Williams OT
          I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).
          Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

          Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

          We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

          We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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          • calmkiller
            Pro Bowler
            • May 2008
            • 1819

            #6
            Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

            Pre Combine of course.

            1 Ndamukong Suh DT
            2 Eric Berry FS
            3 Gerald McCoy DT
            4 Joe Haden CB
            5 Rolando McClain ILB
            6 Russell Okung OT
            7 Earl Thomas FS
            8 Anthony Davis OT
            9 Brian Bulaga OT
            10 C.J. Spiller RB
            11 Jared Odrick DE
            12 Sean Weatherspoon LB
            13 Bruce Campbell OT
            14 Brandon Graham DE/OLB
            15 Kyle Wilson CB
            16 Taylor Mays S
            17 Dan Williams NT
            18 Mike Iupati OG
            LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
            Here We Go Steelers!
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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

              Originally posted by calmkiller
              Pre Combine of course.

              1 Ndamukong Suh DT
              2 Eric Berry FS
              3 Gerald McCoy DT
              4 Joe Haden CB
              5 Rolando McClain ILB
              6 Russell Okung OT
              7 Earl Thomas FS
              8 Anthony Davis OT
              9 Brian Bulaga OT
              10 C.J. Spiller RB
              11 Jared Odrick DE
              12 Sean Weatherspoon LB
              13 Bruce Campbell OT
              14 Brandon Graham DE/OLB
              15 Kyle Wilson CB
              16 Taylor Mays S
              17 Dan Williams NT
              18 Mike Iupati OG
              It's our first offensive skill player sighting with Spiller making your top 10! (of course, Oviedo didn't post his big board yet. ) We also have the debut of a second CB, and I think Wilson would be my second choice of CB's as well (and I would pick him ahead of a Taylor Mays too).
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • SteelCzar76
                Starter
                • Mar 2009
                • 655

                #8
                Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

                1. Ndamukong Suh DT
                2. Gerald Mckoy DT
                3. Russell Okung OT
                4. Joe Haden CB
                5. Eric Berry FS
                6. Rolando McClain ILB
                7. Anthony Davis OT
                8. Taylor Mays S
                9. Kyle Wilson CB
                10. Dan Williams NT
                11. Bruce Price DT
                12. Jeff Odrick DT
                13. Mike Iupati OG
                14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
                15. Bryan Bulaga OT
                16. Trent Williams OT
                17. Sergio Kindle OLB
                18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....
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                • stlrz d
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                  • May 2008
                  • 9244

                  #9
                  Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

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                  • SteelCzar76
                    Starter
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 655

                    #10
                    Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft



                    "Fiendish Tricky D,..i'll have no part of you and Tomlin's jive azz Grits. So miss me with his pimping and the games,...cause ain't nothing about me b#tch"
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                    • Lebsteel
                      Pro Bowler
                      • May 2008
                      • 1007

                      #11
                      Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

                      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                      Originally posted by Lebsteel
                      1. Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
                      2. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
                      3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
                      4. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
                      5. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
                      6. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
                      7. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
                      8. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
                      9. Jared Odrick, DE/DT, Penn State
                      10. Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
                      11. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
                      12. Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
                      13. Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
                      14. Taylor Mays, S, USC
                      15. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri
                      16. Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
                      17. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
                      18. Brian Price, DT, UCLA
                      I thought I was the only one here who saw top 10 potential in Bruce Campbell.

                      You being high on Odrick is no secret at this point.

                      You bumped my final two (not surprising) for Mays and Price. I haven't been a Mays fan even though he is an amazing physical specimen, because the safety I am looking for would be a ballhawk (since our corners are unable to make plays on the ball, I don't need a safety that is lacking coverage ability and ball skills). I still think Mays would make a phenomenally athletic linebacker in a Tampa 2 defense if he bulked up a bit. I realize that it is your last pick, the worst case scenario first round pick that would never happen because we wouldn't have a draft that went 17 picks without a QB, RB, or WR being taken (I put Cody there, and I am by no means enamored with him), but where would you put Price if we happened to draft him (hypothetically...just asking)?
                      Oh, sorry about Campbell being that high. Move him to 19 and I guess I would move Odrick up to 7 and also keep him at 9.

                      You are right, after reading more on Price, his skills would not serve us well in a 3-4 defense, however, WHEN we switch to the 4-3, he is a perfect 3 technique guy.
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                      • RuthlessBurgher
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                        • May 2008
                        • 33208

                        #12
                        Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

                        Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                        1. Ndamukong Suh DT
                        2. Gerald Mckoy DT
                        3. Russell Okung OT
                        4. Joe Haden CB
                        5. Eric Berry FS
                        6. Rolando McClain ILB
                        7. Anthony Davis OT
                        8. Taylor Mays S
                        9. Kyle Wilson CB
                        10. Dan Williams NT
                        11. Bruce Price DT
                        12. Jeff Odrick DT
                        13. Mike Iupati OG
                        14. Earl Thomas FS/CB
                        15. Bryan Bulaga OT
                        16. Trent Williams OT
                        17. Sergio Kindle OLB
                        18 Trying deperately to get out of the first round at this point,....
                        I think it is funny that you called UCLA's Price "Bruce" instead of "Brian"...perhaps it was a Freudian slip of some kind when you subconsciously thought of UCLA great Bruce Davis and all the grittiness that he brought to our team. We are mostly on the same page, though (for the most part)...other than the boys from L.A., Mays and Price, that is. As for OLB candidates, though, I prefer Brandon Graham and Jerry Hughes over Sergio Kindle.
                        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35649

                          #13
                          Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

                          Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                          good one, actually made me think...


                          1) Eric Berry FS
                          2) Ndamukong Suh DT
                          3) Gerald McCoy DT
                          4) Joe Haden CB
                          5) Rolando McClain ILB
                          6) Russell Okung OT
                          7) Brian Bulaga OT
                          Anthony Davis OT
                          9) Dan Williams NT
                          10) Earl Thomas FS
                          11) Jared Odrick DE
                          12) Sean Weatherspoon LB
                          13) Bruce Campbell OT
                          14) Brandon Graham DE/OLB
                          15) Mike Iupati OG
                          16) Terrence Cody NT
                          17) Maurkice Pouncey C
                          1 Trent Williams OT
                          I see we have all the same guys in our top 18, just in a slightly different order. I guess great minds think alike. I briefly toyed with putting Berry first myself (absolutely love the guy), but Suh is amazing as well...couldn't go wrong either way. We agree that Trent Williams is the least desirable of the OT prospects (I think he'll be solid on the next level, but he may only be a RT on the next level...I think you need LT feet to be an elite prospect there).

                          I only listed one CB (Joe Haden) in my top 18 because there are many other CBs we can select in Rounds 2 and 3 that are also talented. the depth at the CB position is unusually deep this year and i hope we take advantage of that fact by filling another need in Round 1 and then adding some competition to the CB position opposite Ike Taylor in either Rounds 2 or 3.

                          As for Trent Williams, I wouldn't select a RT prospect in Round 1...those can also be found in later rounds.

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                          • steelblood
                            Hall of Famer
                            • May 2008
                            • 4166

                            #14
                            Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft

                            1. Ndamukong Suh
                            2. Eric Berry
                            3. Russell Okung
                            4. Rolondo McClain
                            5. Joe Haden
                            6. Anthony Davis
                            7. Dan Williams
                            8. Earl Thomas
                            9. Brandon Graham
                            10. Gerald McCoy
                            11. Jared Odrick
                            12. Bruce Campbell
                            13. Jerry Hughes
                            14. Brian Bulaga
                            15. Trent Williams
                            16. Mike Iupati
                            17. Maurkirce Pouncey
                            18. Jason Pierre-Paul

                            Extra Credit...
                            19. Ryan Matthews
                            20. C J Spiller
                            21. Terrance Cody
                            22. Kyle Wilson
                            23. Dez Bryant
                            24. Demaryius Thomas
                            25. Brandon Spikes
                            26. Chad Jones
                            27. Sean Weatherspoon
                            28. Darryl Washington
                            29. Navorro Bowman
                            30. Perrish Cox
                            31. Nate Allen
                            32. Taylor Mays
                            33. Alex Carrington
                            34. Torrell Troup
                            35. Dominique Franks
                            36. Sergio Kindle
                            37. Ricky Sapp
                            38. Golden Tate
                            39. Damian Williams
                            40. Koa Misi
                            41. Vladimir Ducasse
                            42. John Asamoah
                            43. Brandon LaFell
                            44. Morgan Burnett
                            45. Greg Hardy
                            46. Derrick Morgan
                            47. Brandon Ghee
                            48. Arrelious Benn
                            49. Willie Young
                            50. Reshad Jones
                            51. Dexter McCluster
                            52. Jermaine Cunningham
                            Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Re: Since we draft 18th, gimme 18 guys you'd be willing to draft



                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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