kicking the dead horse

[NorthCoast]

Re: kicking the dead horse

While I agree the defense was the biggest problem, no way you can let the offense off the hook.

As I posted elsewhere, during our 5 game losing streak the offense was virtually non-existent in scoring during the 1st and 3rd qtrs. If you think about that a little, it smacks of being out-gameplanned, out-coached. Those 2 quarters should be the ones where the offense is most prepared (as it was at the beginning of the year).

Also, in the ToP Scoring summary I posted, it was not shown but all of the lengthy, time-consuming drives I listed were towards the first half of the year. There were no long drives like that at the end of the year.

Also, we were 1/2 pt per game above the league average on scoring. Not exactly juggernaut.

All that said, fix the defense and we will be back in the playoffs next season.

[steelnavy]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Also, we were 1/2 pt per game above the league average on scoring. Not exactly juggernaut.

There is ANOTHER fact against Arians that Feltdizz will choose to ignore. I bet the Steelers D is far better than a 1/2 point from league average, but it is somehow STILL the D's fault more than the O's. .

[grotonsteel]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Also, we were 1/2 pt per game above the league average on scoring. Not exactly juggernaut.

There is ANOTHER fact against Arians that Feltdizz will choose to ignore. I bet the Steelers D is far better than a 1/2 point from league average, but it is somehow STILL the D's fault more than the O's. .

Well you are saying as if Steelers had No.1 offense in the league in 2008-9 season and they sucked in 2009-10 season?? Just read Art Rooney II article. Can they improve hell yes but to blame O for 2009-10 season is a joke.

How many turnover did steelers D created this season???

Steelers pass D was ranked 16th from No. 1 in 2008.

Was Joe Montana/Dan Marino playing for CHI/KC/DET/OAK/CLE ?? KC did not even have their No.1 WR D Bowe.

Start worrying about Steelers D in 2010-11 season. Steelers D is getting old and rookies are unable to contribute because of so called Dick lebeau's scheme.Another injury to Troy and we are looking at Paper Curtain Steelers D again.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Also, we were 1/2 pt per game above the league average on scoring. Not exactly juggernaut.

There is ANOTHER fact against Arians that Feltdizz will choose to ignore. I bet the Steelers D is far better than a 1/2 point from league average, but it is somehow STILL the D's fault more than the O's. .

league averages? LMFAO... Who cares about the league average... Just improve the passing D.

[SteelTorch]

Re: kicking the dead horse

what's to dodge? He said what I have been saying in 4 other threads over and over again...

I win the argument too...

No, you don't. And the reason you don't win is because you've been stupidly bringing up the same half-witted arguments every time somebody dares criticize your butt-buddy Arians. Another reason you don't is because your arugments consist of dodging the issue, blame-shifting, and name-calling. Never have I seen you once actually try to back up your support with facts. It's always the same BS, every time. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. It's impossible to win because you're either too stupid or too stubborn to ever hear the other side of the issue.

I heard your side.... I didn't agree with it. Look at the thread title and the content provided by Steelnavy.... he damn near stole my thunder... who needs my input when he delivered the death blow to his own argument?

I only defended BA when people blamed him for the D's failures this year...
I said in 2008 the BA hate was warranted but not last year...

why are you guys so....

Yeah, you didn't agree with it, but your reasons are foolish. That was the reason why Steelnavy posted those points. They didn't destroy his argument, they only pointed out the ridiculousness of yours. Because all you do is back up your support with name-calling, ignoring facts, and finger pointing. Not a good strategy.

And nobody here is blaming BA for the defense's failures. You just seem to think so. However, some people, such as you and Burgh, refuse to admit he's even a problem at all. That is why you fail.

I bet you couldn't even provide me one good reason why Arians should stay. And don't point to Lombardis or wins - those are team efforts.

Torch,

Let me explain it to you:

The D was impacted by age and injury, so no matter how sucky BA was again this year, he is just fine. See, someone else out-stunk him this year, so BA is not a problem.

Get it now?

Yeah, silly me.

[grotonsteel]

Re: kicking the dead horse

what's to dodge? He said what I have been saying in 4 other threads over and over again...

I win the argument too...

No, you don't. And the reason you don't win is because you've been stupidly bringing up the same half-witted arguments every time somebody dares criticize your butt-buddy Arians. Another reason you don't is because your arugments consist of dodging the issue, blame-shifting, and name-calling. Never have I seen you once actually try to back up your support with facts. It's always the same BS, every time. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. It's impossible to win because you're either too stupid or too stubborn to ever hear the other side of the issue.

I heard your side.... I didn't agree with it. Look at the thread title and the content provided by Steelnavy.... he damn near stole my thunder... who needs my input when he delivered the death blow to his own argument?

I only defended BA when people blamed him for the D's failures this year...
I said in 2008 the BA hate was warranted but not last year...

why are you guys so....

Yeah, you didn't agree with it, but your reasons are foolish. That was the reason why Steelnavy posted those points. They didn't destroy his argument, they only pointed out the ridiculousness of yours. Because all you do is back up your support with name-calling, ignoring facts, and finger pointing. Not a good strategy.

And nobody here is blaming BA for the defense's failures.

Well few people over here suggested Steelers D is horrible because they are tired in 4th Q . And the reason they are tired because BA calls more passing plays. In other words BA is responsible for Steelers Pass D failures.

Same people complain when he calls run-run-pass saying we are not going for a kill. Steelers are playing tutrtleball ...Go figure...

These people somehow are failing to understand Steelers D is old and they lack playmakers.Blame Dick Lebeau/Tomlin/Colbert for that. All talk about change never happened.

Again no one here has said Arians is God. Infact i think they should have replaced Arians this offseason. If i am Mike Tomlin i will throw away those stupid complex schemes by Dick Lebeau which confuse only young Steelers players and hence old Steelers D on the field.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Silly you is right... You are taking this way too personal. No one ever said the O didn't have problems... but the majority of the post you had on BA always linked him to the D's failures or struggles. You keep asking why BA should stay and then run off a list of positives we can't include.
You talk about BA like he has a helmet on or works with robots...

Most plays work when the offense executes.. that is why BA should stay. If we looked like the Browns game EVERY game or more than not then I wouldn't have a problem with him going.

You guys talk about BA like his first and last game was the Browns game and Ben is a rookie. If Ben wants BA then I want BA. Whether you like it or not Ben is the franchise...

Even if I agreed with you... I don't, but EVEN if I agreed with you what changes does that make for our team next season. It's like you have some BA hate club and you are mad I won't join... Get over yourself dude.

.... and pointing out the positives is not pointing fingers... or is it? Who cares

[SteelTorch]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Silly you is right... You are taking this way too personal. No one ever said the O didn't have problems... but the majority of the post you had on BA always linked him to the D's failures or struggles.

See, that is where you fail. I have NEVER linked BA to the defense's struggles. In fact, in the one thread that did claim that, I was pointing out that it WASN'T the offense's fault. You can't even get the facts on MY opinions straight.

You keep asking why BA should stay and then run off a list of positives we can't include.
You talk about BA like he has a helmet on or works with robots...

Most plays work when the offense executes.. that is why BA should stay. If we looked like the Browns game EVERY game or more than not then I wouldn't have a problem with him going.

You guys talk about BA like his first and last game was the Browns game and Ben is a rookie. If Ben wants BA then I want BA. Whether you like it or not Ben is the franchise...

Even if I agreed with you... I don't, but EVEN if I agreed with you what changes does that make for our team next season. It's like you have some BA hate club and you are mad I won't join... Get over yourself dude.

.... and pointing out the positives is not pointing fingers... or is it? Who cares

Yep. I knew you couldn't do it.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Silly you is right... You are taking this way too personal. No one ever said the O didn't have problems... but the majority of the post you had on BA always linked him to the D's failures or struggles.

See, that is where you fail. I have NEVER linked BA to the defense's struggles. In fact, in the one thread that did claim that, I was pointing out that it WASN'T the offense's fault. You can't even get the facts on MY opinions straight.

You keep asking why BA should stay and then run off a list of positives we can't include.
You talk about BA like he has a helmet on or works with robots...

Most plays work when the offense executes.. that is why BA should stay. If we looked like the Browns game EVERY game or more than not then I wouldn't have a problem with him going.

You guys talk about BA like his first and last game was the Browns game and Ben is a rookie. If Ben wants BA then I want BA. Whether you like it or not Ben is the franchise...

Even if I agreed with you... I don't, but EVEN if I agreed with you what changes does that make for our team next season. It's like you have some BA hate club and you are mad I won't join... Get over yourself dude.

.... and pointing out the positives is not pointing fingers... or is it? Who cares

Yep. I knew you couldn't do it.

keep kicking the horse... it's dead.

[steelnavy]

Re: kicking the dead horse

See, that is where you fail. I have NEVER linked BA to the defense's struggles. In fact, in the one thread that did claim that, I was pointing out that it WASN'T the offense's fault. You can't even get the facts on MY opinions straight.

Steel torch, you save me time typing because you and I are on the same page on this. I never linked BA to the D's struggles either (and I don't even recall hearing that before - though someone may have said it). I agree about Feldizz and his lack of ability to comprehend or debate a topic (unless he is really BA coming on here to blindly defend himself - that, I would understand). Funny how Feltdizz took the "fire BA" mantra (based on the popular opinion that he sucks as an O coordinator) and turned it around as defending BA because we were unfairly blaming the Defense's woes on him. Never happened. And also funny how he ignores all stats against BA (and accuses us of cherry picking) but loves to quote the passing and receiving numbers as proof of his greatness in the same breath.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: kicking the dead horse

See, that is where you fail. I have NEVER linked BA to the defense's struggles. In fact, in the one thread that did claim that, I was pointing out that it WASN'T the offense's fault. You can't even get the facts on MY opinions straight.

Steel torch, you save me time typing because you and I are on the same page on this. I never linked BA to the D's struggles either (and I don't even recall hearing that before - though someone may have said it). I agree about Feldizz and his lack of ability to comprehend or debate a topic (unless he is really BA coming on here to blindly defend himself - that, I would understand). Funny how Feltdizz took the "fire BA" mantra (based on the popular opinion that he sucks as an O coordinator) and turned it around as defending BA because we were unfairly blaming the Defense's woes on him. Never happened. And also funny how he ignores all stats against BA (and accuses us of cherry picking) but loves to quote the passing and receiving numbers as proof of his greatness in the same breath.

I don't think anyone said BA was great. He is not the goat some of you make him either.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

See, that is where you fail. I have NEVER linked BA to the defense's struggles. In fact, in the one thread that did claim that, I was pointing out that it WASN'T the offense's fault. You can't even get the facts on MY opinions straight.

Steel torch, you save me time typing because you and I are on the same page on this. I never linked BA to the D's struggles either (and I don't even recall hearing that before - though someone may have said it). I agree about Feldizz and his lack of ability to comprehend or debate a topic (unless he is really BA coming on here to blindly defend himself - that, I would understand). Funny how Feltdizz took the "fire BA" mantra (based on the popular opinion that he sucks as an O coordinator) and turned it around as defending BA because we were unfairly blaming the Defense's woes on him. Never happened. And also funny how he ignores all stats against BA (and accuses us of cherry picking) but loves to quote the passing and receiving numbers as proof of his greatness in the same breath.

Lemme kick it again...

I never brought up the 4000 and 1000 stats... you guys keep asking the same question and then ask people not to use the stat. No one is in love with BA... You guys just hate him so much anyone who doesn't agree with you gets labelled as such.

Can you 2 stroke each other in a PM though... The man love is gross.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

I think I went too far... I watched the Saints today and they ran the empty set a ton on 3rd and short but they have the personnel to do it. Maybe BA is the wrong guy for us.... He should be fired. I hope it happens and I will start a countdown... Torch, ability, navy....We can do this, BA will pay.