kicking the dead horse

[steelnavy]

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

[Djfan]

Re: kicking the dead horse

You forgot about the overpaid janitor thing.

[anger 82&95]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Which unit, offense or defense, was most affected by injuries?

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

I don't know if anyone said it was all the defenses fault. We do have people around that seem to suggest that everything was BA fault. All 3 units had their issues this season.

If the special teams did not give up scores. If the defense made stops at the end of games. If the offense scored with every possession the team had. If Ben or Troy did not get hurt. If Reed did not miss FG's. We can play the if or what if game. At this point it does not matter. Bottom line is the won and loss games as a team. It was not one units or person's fault.

[grotonsteel]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

Since you have mentioned feltdizz in your post so let him answer those queries

But according to me no one here is claiming its all on DEFENSE but there are so many people here who blame BA for pathetic Steelers D in 4th Q (Steelers D got tired because they pass a lot stuff).My point is Steelers teams are know for its defense and adequate Offense hence Steelers D take majority of the blame.

Steelers D could not create a single turnover against KC/CHI/CLE/OAK. How many big plays/drives Steelers D gave this season????People blame Troy/Smith injuries for poor defense but if your defense need Troy/Smith against KC/OAK/CLE then your defense has big issues. Did Dick Lebeau make any adjustment to his so called complex schemes when Troy was injured??? If your defense depend on one player to create turnovers then that scheme is a big failure. Dick Lebeau's so called complex schemes are confusing our own players. Opp QB are having field day against these complex schemes. Make schemes that rookies can understand and let them contribute.


Steelers will go as far as Big Ben will take them in 2010-11 season. Just hope that Steelers improve Red Zone offense and short yardage running in 2010-11 season because we will need 30-35 points a game to win.I say improve O-line and get a short yardage RB since Mendy is not the answer for 3rd and 3.

Steelers D is getting old and if players like Ziggy or Timmons don't contribute next season they are going to struggle in 2010-11. Rookies aint gonna contribute in their first year on Defense because of the complex schemes and Troy is not going to fix everything.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Which unit, offense or defense, was most affected by injuries?

Ohhhh, no, no, no.....the level of expectation does not change no matter who is in there...be it pro bowl safety Troy Polumalu or 33 year old slow as hell Tyrone Carter. Whether its career backup Kirshke or pro bowl defensive end Aaron Smith...it doesn't matter.

[grotonsteel]

Re: kicking the dead horse

[quote=Mister Pittsburgh]

Which unit, offense or defense, was most affected by injuries?

Ohhhh, no, no, no.....the level of expectation does not change no matter who is in there...be it pro bowl safety Troy Polumalu or 33 year old slow as hell Tyrone Carter. Whether its career backup Kirshke or pro bowl defensive end Aaron Smith...it doesn't matter. [/quote:cycodtgj]


My bad Steelers do need Troy/Smith to hold high octane offense of CHI/KC/OAK/CLE.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

Why waste my breath? You lectured for me....

If the offense kept scoring at the same pace in the second half...

this guy

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

[quote=grotonsteel]

Which unit, offense or defense, was most affected by injuries?

Ohhhh, no, no, no.....the level of expectation does not change no matter who is in there...be it pro bowl safety Troy Polumalu or 33 year old slow as hell Tyrone Carter. Whether its career backup Kirshke or pro bowl defensive end Aaron Smith...it doesn't matter.

My bad Steelers do need Troy/Smith to hold high octane offense of CHI/KC/OAK/CLE.[/quote:3rftvwku]

These guys.... the excuses border on delusional. If, if, if.... if they accepted the reality that our D stank in the 4th last year this would be over already. I like how they point out the old heads on D... maybe if our youngsters didn't have to learn the Zone Blitz Britannica we could've replaced Carter and Gay....

[SteelTorch]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

Why waste my breath? You lectured for me....

If the offense kept scoring at the same pace in the second half...

this guy

Nice dodge there. I'm surprised you ddin't bring up the defense.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

Why waste my breath? You lectured for me....

If the offense kept scoring at the same pace in the second half...

this guy

Nice dodge there. I'm surprised you ddin't bring up the defense.

what's to dodge? He said what I have been saying in 4 other threads over and over again...

I win the argument too...

[anger 82&95]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Just to keep Feltdizz busy with his "Arians for president speeches," I noticed one more fact that stuck out to me:

Both the offense and defense had let downs after half time. Total offensive scoring declined by 56 points, from scoring 200 points in the first half to 144 in the second. At the same time, the defense saw an increase of 68 points allowed, giving up 100 in the first half and 168 in the second. (Equates to a total difference of 12 points between the letdown in performance of the two units).

...............1st Qtr...2nd Qtr...3rd Qtr...4th Qtr... OT...Final
Offense......81.........119........61.........83.. ........3.... 347
Defense.....39..........61.........47.........121. ........6.... 274

The defense definitely let the team down (worst performance of both units) in the fourth quarter, while the offense slowed down a little bit in the third quarter.

But the argument that ITS ALL THE DEFENSES' FAULT because the Steelers had a lead and lost it is (IMO) flawed. BOTH units created that first half lead and BOTH units were at fault for losing it. If the offense had continued to score at the same pace (instead of slowing down), we would be talking about the playoff game this weekend.

Instead, I am left to beg Feltdizz to lecture everyone who disagrees with him that they:

- Dont watch the games
- Are looking for a scapegoat
- Have an agenda
- Cherry pick stats
- Aren't realists

Did I miss anything?

I don't know if anyone said it was all the defenses fault. We do have people around that seem to suggest that everything was BA fault. All 3 units had their issues this season.

If the special teams did not give up scores. If the defense made stops at the end of games. If the offense scored with every possession the team had. If Ben or Troy did not get hurt. If Reed did not miss FG's. We can play the if or what if game. At this point it does not matter. Bottom line is the won and loss games as a team. It was not one units or person's fault.

The special teams must improve drastically. Basically, keep Reed away from the alcohol, and everyone else learn to tackle.

[SteelTorch]

Re: kicking the dead horse

what's to dodge? He said what I have been saying in 4 other threads over and over again...

I win the argument too...

No, you don't. And the reason you don't win is because you've been stupidly bringing up the same half-witted arguments every time somebody dares criticize your butt-buddy Arians. Another reason you don't is because your arugments consist of dodging the issue, blame-shifting, and name-calling. Never have I seen you once actually try to back up your support with facts. It's always the same BS, every time. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. It's impossible to win because you're either too stupid or too stubborn to ever hear the other side of the issue.

[feltdizz]

Re: kicking the dead horse

what's to dodge? He said what I have been saying in 4 other threads over and over again...

I win the argument too...

No, you don't. And the reason you don't win is because you've been stupidly bringing up the same half-witted arguments every time somebody dares criticize your butt-buddy Arians. Another reason you don't is because your arugments consist of dodging the issue, blame-shifting, and name-calling. Never have I seen you once actually try to back up your support with facts. It's always the same BS, every time. Arguing with you is like arguing with a child. It's impossible to win because you're either too stupid or too stubborn to ever hear the other side of the issue.

I heard your side.... I didn't agree with it. Look at the thread title and the content provided by Steelnavy.... he damn near stole my thunder... who needs my input when he delivered the death blow to his own argument?

I only defended BA when people blamed him for the D's failures this year...
I said in 2008 the BA hate was warranted but not last year...

why are you guys so....

[Djfan]

Re: kicking the dead horse

Torch,

Let me explain it to you:

The D was impacted by age and injury, so no matter how sucky BA was again this year, he is just fine. See, someone else out-stunk him this year, so BA is not a problem.

Get it now?