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  • Shoe
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 4044

    #16
    Re: Timmons is a great awful player

    Timmons seems much more bulit like a mini-DE than anything else... certainly not an ILB. For someone with his speed/burst, he is rather straight-linish in his movements. IMO, he would do very well in more limited role as an OLB.

    ILB's have a 4-way go, in terms of which way they go: left, right, forward, back. OLB (more so) are just coming off the edge, and most of their movements are going up the field.
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    • SidSmythe
      Hall of Famer
      • Sep 2008
      • 4708

      #17
      Re: Timmons is a great awful player

      I think Timmons is a 4-3 OLB who could be moved around more.

      In our defense he's exactly what Cap't Lemmings (i think it was him) said, "Nicklebacker"

      I would consider trading him to a 4-3 for a true 3-4 ILB.
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      • Oviedo
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 23824

        #18
        Re: Timmons is a great awful player

        Originally posted by Chadman
        Opinions on players will vary greatly depending on what you are looking for.

        Last season (and several before that) many complained about Larry Foote & his lack of athletisism.

        So he's replaced with Timmons who isn't as good a run defender as Foote- so we get complaints about that now, but his athletic skills are off the charts.

        Timmons is fine. Athletically, he's a mismatch for most on the field. His coverage skills are far better than Foote & Farrior & Fox, his blitzing skills outmatch most of his team mates & he has that 'splash play' quality that is often missing.

        But the downside is that he isn't 'great' against the run- so far as reading angles goes.

        But that can be taught.

        And he's what? 23?

        So those of you that want a stout run defender will be upset, but those of you that look for a playmaker are probably happy.

        It's a very similar situation to that of Ike Taylor- good cover CB, but terrible hands are a massive liability.
        Again a rational view from "down under" versus the knee jerk, condemnation of a player who is only 23 which is the age of many players who will just be getting drafted this year.

        Timmons adds a completely unique dimension. If you pay attention you see that he is asked at times to cover WRs in the slot and runs with them step for step. His inside blitzes add a dimension that we have never had.

        Timmons will be a great player as he learns ILB but would be a greater player on the outside where he should be playing in a 4-3 defense.
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        • SteelAbility
          Pro Bowler
          • Oct 2009
          • 2149

          #19
          Re: Timmons is a great awful player

          When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

          But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

          I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).

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          • SidSmythe
            Hall of Famer
            • Sep 2008
            • 4708

            #20
            Re: Timmons is a great awful player

            Originally posted by SteelAbility
            When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

            But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

            I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
            I agree . . . it's easy to fall in love w/ a guys athletic ability. Yeah, he's young but we are talking about the 15th overall pick here. I can name plenty of young guys who "get it" and show it play in and play out.
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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27531

              #21
              Re: Timmons is a great awful player

              Originally posted by SteelAbility
              When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

              But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

              I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
              I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
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              • feltdizz
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 27531

                #22
                Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                Originally posted by SidSmythe
                Originally posted by SteelAbility
                When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                I agree . . . it's easy to fall in love w/ a guys athletic ability. Yeah, he's young but we are talking about the 15th overall pick here. I can name plenty of young guys who "get it" and show it play in and play out.
                the 14 guys picked above Timmons make mistakes and look like they don't "get it" on a few plays.
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                • SteelAbility
                  Pro Bowler
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 2149

                  #23
                  Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                  Originally posted by feltdizz
                  Originally posted by SteelAbility
                  When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                  But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                  I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                  I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
                  I didn't say he's THE wink link. I said he's not a radiator. I have not seen "every down" performance out of him. The thing with Timmons is that when he makes a great play it gets all amplified cause he can really wow with his athletic ability. But in the down-in and down-out flow of the game he does not do well at controlling LOS. In that sense I definitely feel that there IS weakness in the Timmons link.

                  In fact I've been pretty outspoken on William Gay being the weak link.

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                  • SteelAbility
                    Pro Bowler
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 2149

                    #24
                    Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    Originally posted by SidSmythe
                    Originally posted by SteelAbility
                    When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                    But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                    I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                    I agree . . . it's easy to fall in love w/ a guys athletic ability. Yeah, he's young but we are talking about the 15th overall pick here. I can name plenty of young guys who "get it" and show it play in and play out.
                    the 14 guys picked above Timmons make mistakes and look like they don't "get it" on a few plays.
                    No argument there. The implied point is that they don't "get it" for a much lesser percentage of the time compared to Timmons.

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27531

                      #25
                      Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                      Originally posted by SteelAbility
                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      Originally posted by SteelAbility
                      When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                      But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                      I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                      I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
                      I didn't say he's THE wink link. I said he's not a radiator. I have not seen "every down" performance out of him. The thing with Timmons is that when he makes a great play it gets all amplified cause he can really wow with his athletic ability. But in the down-in and down-out flow of the game he does not do well at controlling LOS. In that sense I definitely feel that there IS weakness in the Timmons link.

                      In fact I've been pretty outspoken on William Gay being the weak link.
                      When we have our healthy 11 in the game there is no one better to fill Timmons role. If anything Farrior will be replaced by Fox.
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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #26
                        Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                        Originally posted by SteelAbility
                        No argument there. The implied point is that they don't "get it" for a much lesser percentage of the time compared to Timmons.
                        Which is a fallacious implication...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • Mister Pittsburgh
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3674

                          #27
                          Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          Originally posted by SteelAbility
                          When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                          But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                          I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                          I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
                          I didn't read in there where he implied he was the weak link. The weak link in our D is obviously our secondary.
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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #28
                            Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                            Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            Originally posted by SteelAbility
                            When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                            But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                            I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                            I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
                            I didn't read in there where he implied he was the weak link. The weak link in our D is obviously our secondary.
                            if you want to replace him on certain downs then it is implied he is a weak link... You don't replace strong links or capable defenders.
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                            • papillon
                              Legend
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 11340

                              #29
                              Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              Originally posted by SteelAbility
                              When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                              But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                              I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                              I disagree... he is not the weak link in our D.
                              It's not even close either. Everyone is hating on him because he was the 15th pick and he's playing like a second round pick, big deal. His rookie contract isn't stopping this team from doing the things they need to do financially. Every first round pick isn't turning into Troy or Ben.

                              There are problems that need to be corrected, he isn't one of them.

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                              • birtikidis
                                Hall of Famer
                                • May 2008
                                • 4628

                                #30
                                Re: Timmons is a great awful player

                                Originally posted by SteelAbility
                                When I think of Timmons I think of the match versus the radiator. He has exceptional athletic ability. Hence, like a match he can get real hot ... but in one spot (the timing and circumstances have to be right and you'll see the full display of the matche's heat applied to whatever material).

                                But a match cannot heat a room like a radiator can. A radiator is an every-down LB who consistently takes good angles, holds his position and contributes strongly in control of the LOS. The radiator gets no glory. He creates a warm environment so his buddies can make plays and look good. I have yet to see that out of Timmons. If you want an every-down LB, you want a radiator, not a match.

                                I believe Timmons should be a situational guy (and perhaps get starts ... but situationally against teams that are particularly weak in the run game).
                                A radiator is also very good at cooling down things. such as motors.

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