503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

NW I agree... I just understand why it's OK for someone to say Ben should throw the deep ball earlier... Yet in other situations when a fan wants Ben to throw earlier he is said to not understand how Ben plays the game.

I don't think anyone outside of the trolls want to replace Ben or prefer another QB. I'll take ugly and SB's over perfection and playoff losses everyday of the week.

But since this is a discussion board... we can all debate without claiming one way is rght and the other is wrong.

[NWNewell]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

NW I agree... I just understand why it's OK for someone to say Ben should throw the deep ball earlier... Yet in other situations when a fan wants Ben to throw earlier he is said to not understand how Ben plays the game.

I don't think anyone outside of the trolls want to replace Ben or prefer another QB. I'll take ugly and SB's over perfection and playoff losses everyday of the week.

But since this is a discussion board... we can all debate without claiming one way is rght and the other is wrong.

fair enough....

[cruzer8]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

NW I agree... I just understand why it's OK for someone to say Ben should throw the deep ball earlier... Yet in other situations when a fan wants Ben to throw earlier he is said to not understand how Ben plays the game.

I don't think anyone outside of the trolls want to replace Ben or prefer another QB. I'll take ugly and SB's over perfection and playoff losses everyday of the week.

But since this is a discussion board... we can all debate without claiming one way is rght and the other is wrong.

There's a difference between the two and you don't seem to be making the connection.

Asking Ben to throw the ball sooner in the play is different than asking him to throw the ball sooner deep when a WR is open. It seems obvious to me. Based on what I read you want Ben to quit extending plays, which is what makes him Ben. Stlrs is only pointing out that on the deep passes he needs to trust that his receivers are open so the ball can be delivered to hit them in stride. Those two things are very different.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

The problem is... People act like Ben can't be Ben and also do a few things other QB's do. I don't understand why Ben can't throw the ball away at times because he is Ben, yet we have seen him do it.

Dizz, it is either or. He cannot make those amazing plays breaking out of someones grasp to throw a TD "if" he routinely throws the ball away for fear of a sack.

Ben can't throw to Mend early but... today he did and Mend got 15 yards.

I agree here. If he can get a first down rather than go deep and risk a sack, I'll take that.

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

NW I agree... I just understand why it's OK for someone to say Ben should throw the deep ball earlier... Yet in other situations when a fan wants Ben to throw earlier he is said to not understand how Ben plays the game.

I don't think anyone outside of the trolls want to replace Ben or prefer another QB. I'll take ugly and SB's over perfection and playoff losses everyday of the week.

But since this is a discussion board... we can all debate without claiming one way is rght and the other is wrong.

There's a difference between the two and you don't seem to be making the connection.

Asking Ben to throw the ball sooner in the play is different than asking him to throw the ball sooner deep when a WR is open. It seems obvious to me. Based on what I read you want Ben to quit extending plays, which is what makes him Ben. Stlrs is only pointing out that on the deep passes he needs to trust that his receivers are open so the ball can be delivered to hit them in stride. Those two things are very different.

First off... The argument about Ben holding the ball is never about him always throwing it away or never extending the play.... It has always been about wanting Ben to not take sacks in FG range or throwing a few passes away to save field position or saving Ben's head from 40+ sacks every season... and also getting Mend in the flat early so he has room to run.

As far as throwing the deep ball earlier... To do this he has to throw before the playe is open and trust he will outrun the defender....

I just used this thread to joke a guy who jumps on people who want Ben to throw the ball earlier yet also wants Ben to throw the ball earlier..

In reality we all love when Ben extends plays.. But when he doesn't escape what Steeler fan applauds the sack?

[stlrz d]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

NW I agree... I just understand why it's OK for someone to say Ben should throw the deep ball earlier... Yet in other situations when a fan wants Ben to throw earlier he is said to not understand how Ben plays the game.

I don't think anyone outside of the trolls want to replace Ben or prefer another QB. I'll take ugly and SB's over perfection and playoff losses everyday of the week.

But since this is a discussion board... we can all debate without claiming one way is rght and the other is wrong.

There's a difference between the two and you don't seem to be making the connection.

Asking Ben to throw the ball sooner in the play is different than asking him to throw the ball sooner deep when a WR is open. It seems obvious to me. Based on what I read you want Ben to quit extending plays, which is what makes him Ben. Stlrs is only pointing out that on the deep passes he needs to trust that his receivers are open so the ball can be delivered to hit them in stride. Those two things are very different.

First off... The argument about Ben holding the ball is never about him always throwing it away or never extending the play.... It has always been about wanting Ben to not take sacks in FG range or throwing a few passes away to save field position or saving Ben's head from 40+ sacks every season... and also getting Mend in the flat early so he has room to run.

As far as throwing the deep ball earlier... To do this he has to throw before the playe is open and trust he will outrun the defender....

I just used this thread to joke a guy who jumps on people who want Ben to throw the ball earlier yet also wants Ben to throw the ball earlier..

In reality we all love when Ben extends plays.. But when he doesn't escape what Steeler fan applauds the sack?

The only joke is that you can't seem to understand the difference between what you're asking for from Ben and what I'm asking for.

I'm glad at least two other people in this thread get it though.

This isn't worth continuing though so have fun continuing to prove your lack of understanding...I'm out.

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

The problem is... People act like Ben can't be Ben and also do a few things other QB's do. I don't understand why Ben can't throw the ball away at times because he is Ben, yet we have seen him do it.

Dizz, it is either or. He cannot make those amazing plays breaking out of someones grasp to throw a TD "if" he routinely throws the ball away for fear of a sack.
[quote:17q32305]Ben can't throw to Mend early but... today he did and Mend got 15 yards.

I agree here. If he can get a first down rather than go deep and risk a sack, I'll take that.[/quote:17q32305]

how does "some of the time" mean "all the time" though cap? I think we are all intelligent fans here and realize when a person says I wish he would do this a little more or that a little less it doesn't mean never try to extend a play or I hate him, he sucks.

It means in 16 games... After 2 SB's and much success why does "throw a few balls away" mean turn into Peyton or Eli?

When you say you would Ben to pass to Mend I don't say he isn't Trent Edwards..
When StlrD says he should throw the deep ball earlier I don't say but he isn't Culpepper throwing to Moss...

It's not either or... I won't let a few guys change my words into "all the time" while there suggestions are given as tidbits of love

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Thanks D... You proved my point. All we are doing is asking on a discussion board.