503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

[DHSF]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

First, Ben is a franschise QB and the way he is playing could very well be a HOF QB. That said, there are plays when he take the sack that he should have thrown the ball away. He is a great QB, but there is still room for improvement. I don't think anyone with a brain could question the quality of Ben. If the Steelers had a QB like him in the 90s, this team could already have 7 or more super bowls. If he could just learn when to get rid of the ball, he could be one of the greatest of all time. If he doesn't improve in this area, his career will be over before it should be. He needs to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

[papillon]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

I've said this before and I'll say it again. When those of you who want Ben to throw it away, not take a sack, not do this or that accept the fact that he plays the position differently from any other quarterback who has ever played the game and enjoy what you see, Steeler games will be a lot more enjoyable for you.

I was one who was always on his him for holding the ball, taking a sack, not delivering it on time, etc, name his fault and I wanted him to correct it. Now, I just sit back and enjoy the show, sometimes it's as ugly as it is beautiful at other times, but it's how he plays and I hope he never changes.

Steeler football has never been so enjoyable and exciting for me, since, I've embraced his style of play. I hope he never changes a thing. I get an adrenaline rush like I've never had watching him play.

Enjoy the show, Ben's career may be short, It would be a shame if you don't embrace what you see.

Pappy

[stlrz d]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Many of the sacks he takes are him just being dragged down. It's not like he's lit up on each and every sack.

[NorthCoast]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

I will make an open confession. On at least two of his sacks today I was cussing and cursing his name. Ben is very frustrating to watch but as I cooled down from this one it has occurred to me that it has been a very long time since we have had a QB that gives us a chance to win a come-from-behind game like this.
I suppose I will just need to learn to live with his good and bad. The strange thing is that Ben must realize the underneath stuff is there for the taking. The few times he did take it today, it turned into decent gains.
I will also grudgingly give Arians one thumb up for several very creative playcalls. The Moore TD was a thing of beauty. Wish we could see this type of playcalling on a more consistent basis.
BTW, anyone else notice the shot of Tomlin jawing to Ben as he was coming off the field after one of his sacks. Sure would like to know what he said, but Tomlin clearly was not happy at that point.

[grotonsteel]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

I've said this before and I'll say it again. When those of you who want Ben to throw it away, not take a sack, not do this or that accept the fact that he plays the position differently from any other quarterback who has ever played the game and enjoy what you see, Steeler games will be a lot more enjoyable for you.

I was one who was always on his him for holding the ball, taking a sack, not delivering it on time, etc, name his fault and I wanted him to correct it. Now, I just sit back and enjoy the show, sometimes it's as ugly as it is beautiful at other times, but it's how he plays and I hope he never changes.

Steeler football has never been so enjoyable and exciting for me, since, I've embraced his style of play. I hope he never changes a thing. I get an adrenaline rush like I've never had watching him play.

Enjoy the show, Ben's career may be short, It would be a shame if you don't embrace what you see.

Pappy

Very well said

I just don't understand why people want to turn Big Ben into something else...

[grotonsteel]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

First, Ben is a franschise QB and the way he is playing could very well be a HOF QB. That said, there are plays when he take the sack that he should have thrown the ball away. He is a great QB, but there is still room for improvement. I don't think anyone with a brain could question the quality of Ben. If the Steelers had a QB like him in the 90s, this team could already have 7 or more super bowls. If he could just learn when to get rid of the ball, he could be one of the greatest of all time. If he doesn't improve in this area, his career will be over before it should be. He needs to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.

You can't have it both ways.

Big Ben makes plays while holding the ball longer...He is not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.

Big Ben is Big Ben ...NFL has never seen a QB like him. Enjoy the ride.

As far as Big Ben improving..no one is perfect. Big Ben is showing improvement each season.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Where was this Ben against the Browns? I don't think anyone hates on Ben. He can be frustrating to watch at times. We know that his best is good enough. More consistency is what some of us want to see.

[Flasteel]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Ben can play smarter.

If he gets an OC who can convince him to get rid of the ball more quickly sometimes without stifling his improvisational skills, Ben may be one of the best EVER at the position.

As it is, he is among the top 10% of QB's in the league, but he has cost this team yards, sacks, and games himself plenty of times, and he will shorten his career if he doesn't quit playing hero.

Absolute wrong time to come on here and start hating on Ben.

Hating on Ben? Give me a freaking break.

I am a HUGE Ben supporter.

He is responsible for today's win (as well as dozens of others), but I certainly hope you don't think his game is perfect...

No of course not.

I guess I was just trying to state that pointintg out negative aspects of his game after a day like today is just the wrong time. I actually agree (somewhat) with what you said.

[papillon]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Where was this Ben against the Browns? I don't think anyone hates on Ben. He can be frustrating to watch at times. We know that his best is good enough. More consistency is what some of us want to see.

The Brown's game was the ugly part and today was the beautiful part and more often than not it's beautiful. This year, his ugly seems to come at the worst possible time. Today's game was beautiful, ugly, bad, unbelievable, great and any other adjective you can think of, but, man it was fun.

Pappy

[Chadman]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Chadman doesn't care about the sacks, the frustration, the bad games.

Wouldn't change Ben for ANY OTHER QB in the NFL.

Not one.

He wins games like no other player Chadman has seen. The Steelers are a chance at winning EVERY SEASON that Ben plays QB for them.

Yes, there are times you'll want to ram him, head first, into the Heinz Field turf for being dumb- but chances are you'll smile more than you'll frown during his career.

This season's struggles are not on Ben.

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Where was this Ben against the Browns? I don't think anyone hates on Ben. He can be frustrating to watch at times. We know that his best is good enough. More consistency is what some of us want to see.

Shh... That game never happened. lol...

The problem is... People act like Ben can't be Ben and also do a few things other QB's do. I don't understand why Ben can't throw the ball away at times because he is Ben, yet we have seen him do it. Ben can't throw to Mend early but... today he did and Mend got 15 yards. Now when some fans say this they get the "Ben hater tag"

I don't understand why someone has to defend Ben taking a coverage sack to be a real fan...
Yet these same fans bash an OC or another player for a part of his game.

I'm no longer an Arians defender... He is terrible... but the defenders of everything Ben need to understand there are fans who do not put him above QB criticism.

It doesn't mean they are not true Steeler fans.

[NorthCoast]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Where was this Ben against the Browns? I don't think anyone hates on Ben. He can be frustrating to watch at times. We know that his best is good enough. More consistency is what some of us want to see.

The Brown's game was the ugly part and today was the beautiful part and more often than not it's beautiful. This year, his ugly seems to come at the worst possible time. Today's game was beautiful, ugly, bad, unbelievable, great and any other adjective you can think of, but, man it was fun.

Pappy

Not to rehash past losses, but the Browns game was as much about coaching as it was about the players. They were talking on local radio here about how surprised the Steelers didn't throw more to the TE. The pass to the TE has been the Browns achilles heel ALL season and we threw to Heath a total of 5 times in that game.

[papillon]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Where was this Ben against the Browns? I don't think anyone hates on Ben. He can be frustrating to watch at times. We know that his best is good enough. More consistency is what some of us want to see.

The Brown's game was the ugly part and today was the beautiful part and more often than not it's beautiful. This year, his ugly seems to come at the worst possible time. Today's game was beautiful, ugly, bad, unbelievable, great and any other adjective you can think of, but, man it was fun.

Pappy

Not to rehash past losses, but the Browns game was as much about coaching as it was about the players. They were talking on local radio here about how surprised the Steelers didn't throw more to the TE. The pass to the TE has been the Browns achilles heel ALL season and we threw to Heath a total of 5 times in that game.

Ben still played poorly in that game. It happens, not very often, but it happens.

Pappy

[feltdizz]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

Ben can play smarter.

If he gets an OC who can convince him to get rid of the ball more quickly sometimes without stifling his improvisational skills, Ben may be one of the best EVER at the position.

As it is, he is among the top 10% of QB's in the league, but he has cost this team yards, sacks, and games himself plenty of times, and he will shorten his career if he doesn't quit playing hero.

Absolute wrong time to come on here and start hating on Ben.

Hating on Ben? Give me a freaking break.

I am a HUGE Ben supporter.

He is responsible for today's win (as well as dozens of others), but I certainly hope you don't think his game is perfect...

No of course not.

I guess I was just trying to state that pointintg out negative aspects of his game after a day like today is just the wrong time. I actually agree (somewhat) with what you said.

I agree but there are people who waited 5 weeks for a win. They need to gloat!

[skyhawk]

Re: 503 yards, 3 TDs, 0 Ints and some amazing passes

I wonder what Steve Young will say about this performance. Pretty good for a non-top 10 QB don't you think?