ESPN reporting Arians and Ligashesky gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Shanahan for OC. Anyone else on this bandwagon? C'mon, there's lots of room.

Not happening dude.

Shanahan the elder or Shanahan the younger? Kyle Shanahan (the son) is the OC for the Texans and likely to be job hunting at the end of the season. He would be a good hire IMO.

At the top of my list would also be Gary Kubiak and Jeremy Bates.

I'm hearing that Kyle Shanahan might join Mike Shanahan where ever he ends up coaching. Current rumor is that Mike would take over the HC position with the Redskins and Kyle would be the O.C.

Well, Mike can either have his son Kyle as his O.C. or his former O.C. Gary Kubiak back again. Whichever one he doesn't take, I'd be interested in.

[MeetJoeGreene]

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I am not optimistic that Arians will go.

I think the ST coach will go an the OL coach.

I think Tomlin may have a "heart to heart" with Arians and maybe some changes in the O, but I believe he will be back.

But, man, I hope not.

[Jigawatts]

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Not going to happen....maybe special teams coach...but not Arians...Tomlin believes in continuity...

Ligashesky will be the the token sacrificial lamb so that the team can say they made a change. Airens will be stay as long Ben wants him.

Didn't they already try the scapegoating angle with A. Harrison?

Darn that Arnold Harrison. Special teams are so much better since his departure.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Not going to happen....maybe special teams coach...but not Arians...Tomlin believes in continuity...

Ligashesky will be the the token sacrificial lamb so that the team can say they made a change. Airens will be stay as long Ben wants him.

Didn't they already try the scapegoating angle with A. Harrison?

Darn that Arnold Harrison. Special teams are so much better since his departure.

Arnold Harrison did tackle Santonio Holmes on that last ditch punt return to seal the loss to the Browns on Thursday night. There may be hope for that boy on special teams after all.

[Jigawatts]

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Not going to happen....maybe special teams coach...but not Arians...Tomlin believes in continuity...

Ligashesky will be the the token sacrificial lamb so that the team can say they made a change. Airens will be stay as long Ben wants him.

Didn't they already try the scapegoating angle with A. Harrison?

Darn that Arnold Harrison. Special teams are so much better since his departure.

Arnold Harrison did tackle Santonio Holmes on that last ditch punt return to seal the loss to the Browns on Thursday night. There may be hope for that boy on special teams after all.

I could have tackled Santonio the way our special teams block.

[Chadman]

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I am not optimistic that Arians will go.

I think the ST coach will go an the OL coach.

I think Tomlin may have a "heart to heart" with Arians and maybe some changes in the O, but I believe he will be back.

But, man, I hope not.

Not so sure MJG- this collapse will be embarrassing for Tomlin, and Chadman, for one, doesn't think Tomlin 'does' embarrassed.

Chadman fully expects to see a few changes- ST (guarenteed), OC (Likely), OL (Possibly), DB (Likely) & even DC (Possibly).

As for WHO the Steelers could get as the new OC- all Chadman asks for is someone that utilises the players available to him that can be dominant- Ben, Ward, Holmes & Rashard. Get the ball in these guys hands, put together a system that matches them up well, and Chadman will be happy.

Still can't figure why Mendenhall doesn't recieve more passes out of the backfield- soft, supple hands & a good route runner. He SHOULD be Ben's safety valve when the pressure closes in.

[steelsnis]

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Still can't figure why Mendenhall doesn't recieve more passes out of the backfield- soft, supple hands & a good route runner. He SHOULD be Ben's safety valve when the pressure closes in.

Totally agree w/you on this point. Ben goes through stretches where he hits backs out of the backfield, but it looks to me like his first few progressions are always down the field.

IMO, a few wheel routes (a la Tenessee w/Johnson) to Mendenhall is a great way to slow down blitz pressure. They tried it last year in the playoffs with Parker (either vs SD or Bmore). Worked like a charm. Until Parker dropped the ball. Would have been a 20+ gain down the right sideline and possibly a TD.

I think the Steelers have always been chronic under-users of the RB's as receivers. (other than John L. of course)

[Chavezz]

Re: ESPN reporting Arians and Ligashesky gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not optimistic that Arians will go.

I think the ST coach will go an the OL coach.

I think Tomlin may have a "heart to heart" with Arians and maybe some changes in the O, but I believe he will be back.

But, man, I hope not.

Not so sure MJG- this collapse will be embarrassing for Tomlin, and Chadman, for one, doesn't think Tomlin 'does' embarrassed.

Chadman fully expects to see a few changes- ST (guarenteed), OC (Likely), OL (Possibly), DB (Likely) & even DC (Possibly).

As for WHO the Steelers could get as the new OC- all Chadman asks for is someone that utilises the players available to him that can be dominant- Ben, Ward, Holmes & Rashard. Get the ball in these guys hands, put together a system that matches them up well, and Chadman will be happy.

Still can't figure why Mendenhall doesn't recieve more passes out of the backfield- soft, supple hands & a good route runner. He SHOULD be Ben's safety valve when the pressure closes in.

Supple hands? You know from personal experience??

[pfelix73]

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I'll take Coach Steve Logan to be our new OC. He would bring a spark to this offense.

[Oviedo]

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I am not optimistic that Arians will go.

I think the ST coach will go an the OL coach.

I think Tomlin may have a "heart to heart" with Arians and maybe some changes in the O, but I believe he will be back.

But, man, I hope not.

Not so sure MJG- this collapse will be embarrassing for Tomlin, and Chadman, for one, doesn't think Tomlin 'does' embarrassed.

Chadman fully expects to see a few changes- ST (guarenteed), OC (Likely), OL (Possibly), DB (Likely) & even DC (Possibly).

As for WHO the Steelers could get as the new OC- all Chadman asks for is someone that utilises the players available to him that can be dominant- Ben, Ward, Holmes & Rashard. Get the ball in these guys hands, put together a system that matches them up well, and Chadman will be happy.

Still can't figure why Mendenhall doesn't recieve more passes out of the backfield- soft, supple hands & a good route runner. He SHOULD be Ben's safety valve when the pressure closes in.

Ben spends at least 4-5 seconds waiting for a WR to get open 30 yards down the field so he can make a big play. He would only need 2-3 seconds to hit and open RB. This is part of the problem. RBs and TEs are open all the time but they are 4th or 5th options on the progression and Ben is still waiting for his #1 and #2 to get open 5 seconds into the play.

Many on this board in the past have whined about not wanting to see the Steelers go to a West Coast offense, but IMO a West Coast offense may be the best thing for our offense and to protect Ben from Ben.

[feelthesteel]

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i would love to have Mike Shanahan
look at the qbs he's worked with.
Elway's Bens hero. wishful thinking.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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i would love to have Mike Shanahan
look at the qbs he's worked with.
Elway's Bens hero. wishful thinking.

Mike is going to get a head coaching job somewhere this offseason, man.

He's not going to be anyone's O.C.

As mentioned in a few threads now, if the Texans clean house after this season, both his son Kyle and his former O.C. (and backup QB to Elway) Gary Kubiak would be available. Assuming that Mike hires one of them as his O.C. whereever he ends up as head coach, we could go after the other one.

[Oviedo]

Re: ESPN reporting Arians and Ligashesky gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i would love to have Mike Shanahan
look at the qbs he's worked with.
Elway's Bens hero. wishful thinking.

Mike is going to get a head coaching job somewhere this offseason, man.

He's not going to be anyone's O.C.

As mentioned in a few threads now, if the Texans clean house after this season, both his son Kyle and his former O.C. (and backup QB to Elway) Gary Kubiak would be available. Assuming that Mike hires one of them as his O.C. whereever he ends up as head coach, we could go after the other one.

RB--you and I are all over Kubiak or Kyle Shanahan.

I have added the name Jeremy Bates into the mix. If in fact Arians goes, and I think he should because he can't take this offense or Ben any further, then who are some of the other candidates? Some thoughts:

Jim Zorn-in terrible situation but I think he had rep as good OC

Jeff Davidson-has done well in Carolina but the team has no QB and John Fox will likely get fired after the season

Chan Gailey-has had success in the past.

The wildcard in all of this is Ben. Whoever comes in will have to forge a relationship with him because he will not like Arians leaving. Not sure a young guys getting his first OC gig will be able to do that.

[stlrz d]

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Wouldn't mind Zorn as an OC. He struggled to be HC and call the plays but just focusing on the O would be good for him. And being a former NFL QB working with Ben would be a good thing too, imo.

[papillon]

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About time we shook up the coaches.... now we need to shake up the old D and bring back the FB.

How many people who wanted a pass happy offense are now craving for the smashmouth?
I know I am.. For some reason people acted like we NEVER passed with the smashmouth style.

Pass happy offenses rarely (if ever) win the super bowl. You can win a lot of games with the pass happy style of offense, but, once you're in the playoffs you have to be able to run the ball with some success. The Steelers under Bill Cowher may have leaned too heavily on the run and I believe now they rely too heavily on the pass.

It only takes one game where the defense shuts down either the pass happy offense or the run heavy offense and you're gone from the playoffs. E.G. The Steelers under Cowher and the Patriots of 2007. Neither team had a backup plan should their primary offensive game plan get throttled.

The Steelers have the ability to run the ball with Mendenhall and pass the ball with Ben, there's absolutely no reason to be lopsided one way or the other with the offensive talent on this team. If, indeed, Ben is calling the shots and BA is creating a game plan top heavy in passing for Ben, then the Steelers as an organization need to rein Ben in and tell him that the team's success comes first.

The inmates may be running the asylum and if that's the case then Mike Tomnlin needs to have a meeting with Colbert and Art II about who should be calling the shots and who should be playing to the best of their abilities within the framework that Tomlin dictates.

There is more going on with this team than missing a few plays here and there. I can't put my finger on what "it" is, but, it's not about Xs and Os the Steelers have top 5 talent and are playing like bottom 5 talent. That's coaching in my mind.

A coaching staff may not be able to win a championship (per se), but they sure as hell can lose one and I believe this year was a lost opportunity for this team. They seem to be playing without true purpose or direction as of late.

Pappy