Ben Not Elite

[SteelAbility]

Re: Ben Not Elite

Is this teeceemadison under a new screen name????

Ben has only created plays to win twice?? Hmmm, let's see ...

18 Career 4th Quarter come-from-behind game winning drives
14-0 as a rookie
Most wins by any starting QB in his first 5 years
#5 ALL-TIME in YPA
2 Super Bowl Victories (Game-winning drive in SB43 on the biggest stage under the most pressure, starting 1st and 20 on his own 10 after a penalty)

Do you remember a game in the 06 season where Tom Brady scored ZERO points against the Dolphins?

Sorry, I forgot this is the NFL where you are only as good as your last game.

[JTP53609]

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it was one game.....it is like opening up a can of pop and there is no fizz...

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Through 8 games, he was completing over 70% of his passes for 2295 yards (on pace to throw for 4590 yards over the course of a whole season), and now, because he has one game in which he completed only 50% of his passes for less than 200 yards, he is no longer elite (the two Super Bowl rings be damned). Yeah, that makes sense. Elite QB's can never have an off-week. They must have a perfect QB rating every game.

[steelblood]

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He had a bad game. So did the line and the receivers and coaches. When a team is blitzing as much as the Bengals did, you MUST make them pay with screens. We have had some of the worst designed screen plays in the history of football. I only remember seeing one yesterday. It was a middle screen to Miller, and it never had a chance.

[pick6]

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I love bens style of play. and he is my fav qb. and i would take him over manning or brady any day... no question, because he is more like me. he likes to mix it up. he doesnt need perfect conditions to succeed. like manning and brady. when manning gets pressured he dives to the ground. complete wuss. brady is a primadonna fashionista, who laughed at the thought of being held to 17 pionts by ny giants in the super bowl.

but no my friends, ben is not a better qb than these 2 pansies. and this is for one reason only. the weaklings use and have mastered the dink and dunk. ben refuses to play like this because this is for wussies (in his mind) . he wants to go downfield into the jaws of the defense. dont believe the stats, ben wants to go 15+yards. look at our last drive against the bengals (who will not win the div) he was not only off all day but he went down field every down on that last drive. forget mewalde moore. but I'v learned not to complain because the man walks the walk. put it like this, the steelers defense would decimate ben in a real game situation because of his style.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Hard to believe that people over react this much after another close game. All QB's have bad games. You just hate to see it against a division rival at home. Bengals did a good job. The season is far from over. I hope we get the chance to play them again in the playoffs.

[NKySteeler]

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I hope we get the chance to play them again in the playoffs.

Agreed.... I personally think we will get only a wildcard, and the division crown is now out of the question... But I want another shot at Cincy when we get there...

Ben is a great qb, but is just inconsistent at the worst of times... He's done well all season, but stunk the joint up yesterday.

It's gonna be tough sledding IMO because I haven't seen the stops/stands/comebacks that I've equated to our solid teams of year's past... I am not sure that we have the "it" factor I've seen in '05 or '08, but it's a completely different game once you get to the playoffs... It sure as heck isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.

[stlrz d]

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I hope we get the chance to play them again in the playoffs.

Agreed.... I personally think we will get only a wildcard, and the division crown is now out of the question... But I want another shot at Cincy when we get there...

Ben is a great qb, but is just inconsistent at the worst of times... He's done well all season, but stunk the joint up yesterday.

It's gonna be tough sledding IMO because I haven't seen the stops/stands/comebacks that I've equated to our solid teams of year's past... I am not sure that we have the "it" factor I've seen in '05 or '08, but it's a completely different game once you get to the playoffs... It sure as heck isn't going to be easy, that's for sure.

They still have to play 7 games and so do we. Nothing is out of the question yet my friend.

[skyhawk]

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Elite QB's don't play like that.

He's not HOF material yet.

Take a stroll through past games of Brady and Manning...you'll see clunkers for them too.

This loss is on more than just Ben's play today.

The whole team looked flat and mostly disinterested. The whole team.

Speaking of disinterested, I wonder if something wasn't right with Ben. He walked around on the sideline bored. I sat right there in the stands 100 feet from him.

Not to mention that for most of the 2nd half Ben stood BY HIMSELF on the sideline away from anyone. What gives? Was he hurt? Was he in a daze? Hungover?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Ben Roethlisberger: I don’t really care if people think I’m elite
Posted by Josh Alper on July 24, 2015, 10:50 AM EDT



When the Ravens were closing in on a contract extension with quarterback Joe Flacco a few years ago, there was a lot of discussion about whether or not Flacco was an “elite” quarterback.

With a Super Bowl ring and a lucrative deal from the Ravens, Flacco probably doesn’t spend much time worrying about where others think he falls into that subjective spectrum. Another AFC North quarterback feels that way. Ben Roethlisberger is coming off perhaps the best individual season of his career, which helped him earn a fat extension from the Steelers and questions about where he ranks in the firmament of signal callers that he’d rather avoid.


“For me, it’s always about winning. That’s always been my M.O.,” Roethlisberger said, via USA Today. “People ask me all the time about what do I think about not being one of the five elites or the three elites or whatever it is. I don’t really care. As long as I can win football games and win championships, that’s all that really matters to me. At the end of the day, to me, that’s what you’re based on.”


With two Super Bowl titles and a third trip to the game, Roethlisberger has pretty good credentials on the winning front although it’s been a few years since he’s been able to add to them with a postseason victory. Changing that is going to fall heavily on improvement from the defense regardless of how well Roethlisberger plays, but the total resume will still look like one destined for Canton if the Steelers fall short.


[URL]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/24/ben-roethlisberger-i-dont-really-care-if-people-think-im-elite/[/URL]

[7upnext]

he's clearly elite and will be in the MVP discussion this season IMO. One more SB would cement his chances for the idiot masses. Doubt he sees one with MT as coach but maybe we'll get lucky

[AzStillers1989]

Really had to dig to find this 6 year old thread. I'm with Ben..... Don't care if people believe he is elite. Just be great and another super bowl(s) will come

[Slapstick]

Any QB has to be lucky to win a SB with any coach. At least Tomlin is a good coach.

[RuthlessBurgher]

At least Tomlin is a good coach.

One more SB would cement that for the "idiot masses."

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

You know that when you see a thread from '09 dug up, then Ruthless was on the case. On another note, it is surprising to see a PFT article that doesn't take a cheap shot at Ben or the Steelers. Oh wait, it wasn't written by Florio... Nevermind.