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  • Lonbull
    Pro Bowler
    • Jan 2009
    • 1121

    #16
    Re: Shut Down Corner

    Originally posted by Jom112
    The days of true shutdown corners are over because of all the rules against "touching" WR's. When going against top receivers you're always going to need at least double coverage.

    Elite pass rushers are the best way to go to shut down top QB's and #1 receivers, IMHO...
    I agree with Jom112 - and I would even expand - by saying that one problem with the "Shutdown Corner" is how much they demand in the Salary Cap / Free Agency World that is now the NFL.

    Deion Sanders played for 5 different teams, Rod Woodson played for 4 different teams because part of the issue is the demands of their talents outweight the value of the position - especially compared to a Quarterback.

    A Franchise QB is in on every offensive play - even if it's a run the threat of play action is always there (unless you're running the Wildcat - but that's a different story).

    Shutdown Corners may be able to stop (or at least contain) an opponent's best WR - but an offense can certainly work around that and still be very effective - then again what if the team is a powerhouse running team and their best WR is only mediocre?

    It seems in the Salary Cap / Free Agent NFL if you can get a solid economic balance in your defense so that one Cornerback isn't getting paid 75% of what the entire secondary is getting paid - you're better off.

    In short - economic balance is better - in the long run.

    Before the Cap and Free Agency - I think teams could build around a shutdown corner (similiar to what the Steelers did with Rod Woodson) - and he would be just as effective as a franchise QB - I don't think the economics of it makes as much sense now.

    By the time the Rookie Contract is finished and the guy is in his prime - he'll be too expensive to keep without "shorting" the rest of your defense or other parts of your offense.

    L.B.

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    • jj28west
      Starter
      • Dec 2008
      • 784

      #17
      Re: Shut Down Corner

      I guess one theory I had is with a shutdown corner the support that would have normally rolled over and support the CB would now be able to help with the TE or cheat up closer on the line.

      I see what your saying with fortifying the line over the corner to decrease the QB's time in releasing. I guess I was looking at it the other way around. Would you necessarily need a great DE that would comand a high salary because with an all world corner you may end up having more coverage sacks. In what we run @ Pittsburgh I know so much more is asked of our guys like taking on two tackes, creating gaps, stopping the run so maybe this example would not be applicable to the Steelers.

      I cant remember who it was but there was a really high price DE that got credit for a high number of sacks, went into free agency with a great looiking resume and then laid a goose egg the following year with a team that was weak at the corner position.

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      • BURGH86STEEL
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 6921

        #18
        Re: Shut Down Corner

        Originally posted by Jom112
        The days of true shutdown corners are over because of all the rules against "touching" WR's. When going against top receivers you're always going to need at least double coverage.

        You try to go man on man for any extended period of time against the likes of a player like Calvin Johnson and you're going to get beat repeatedly.

        Even Darrell Revis got embarrassed by Ted Ginn Jr., when he doesn't get safety help over the top.

        Elite pass rushers are the best way to go to shut down top QB's and #1 receivers, IMHO...
        I agree.

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        • JTP53609
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2009
          • 1888

          #19
          Re: Shut Down Corner

          the lose of smith hurts and it will hurt all year long, he is so valuable....

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          • Oviedo
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 23824

            #20
            Re: Shut Down Corner

            Originally posted by Jom112
            The days of true shutdown corners are over because of all the rules against "touching" WR's. When going against top receivers you're always going to need at least double coverage.

            You try to go man on man for any extended period of time against the likes of a player like Calvin Johnson and you're going to get beat repeatedly.

            Even Darrell Revis got embarrassed by Ted Ginn Jr., when he doesn't get safety help over the top.

            Elite pass rushers are the best way to go to shut down top QB's and #1 receivers, IMHO...
            Amen. Defense starts and ends with pressuring the QB. The QB is the most importnat person on the field and you have to attack him. If he is on his back or getting chased it is easy to be the mythical "shutdown cornerback."
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • ikestops85
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2008
              • 3724

              #21
              Re: Shut Down Corner

              Originally posted by Jom112
              The days of true shutdown corners are over because of all the rules against "touching" WR's. When going against top receivers you're always going to need at least double coverage.

              You try to go man on man for any extended period of time against the likes of a player like Calvin Johnson and you're going to get beat repeatedly.

              Even Darrell Revis got embarrassed by Ted Ginn Jr., when he doesn't get safety help over the top.

              Elite pass rushers are the best way to go to shut down top QB's and #1 receivers, IMHO...
              Jom, I gotta agree with you 1000%. Our d-backs looked so much better last year because we put consistent pressure on the QB. We aren't doing that this year and people are starting to blame the d-backs. Sorry, they are playing just like last year (with the exception of Troy) but we aren't getting the pressure like we did. When we get the pressure the QB has to make a quick decision, hit a short hot route or throw a bad pass and our d-backs would either have the play in front of them and make the tackle or be the beneficiary of the bad pass and pick it off. It all works because of the pressure. If you don't get it almost every NFL QB will rip you apart.
              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

              but Go Steelers!!!

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #22
                Re: Shut Down Corner

                If you want to improve the performance of the D-backs, instead of focusing on generating a pass rush, I would focus on better starting pitching instead. :P

                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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