Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

[Iron Shiek]

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I will never understand the knob slobbing over Culter. Going on his third full season this year as a starter (he started 5 or 6 games his rookie year) and he has a losing record. His completion percentage is 62.5%. I mean how many years does a guy get to ride out the "potential" card and be considered one of the best in the league? It's become ludicrous.

We could form a better defense from members of this board than what Denver rolled out there last year and part of the year before. And if you recall, they had 6 rb's or something crazy like that out with injuries and were down to scraps. So while teams knew they were going to pass due to lack of a credible rb, he still managed 4000+ yards. Granted the wins didn't come, but when you aren't balance on offense and have no defense to speak of, you aren't going to win many games. Plus the year before that he lost a ton of weight because nobody knew he had diabetes, which caused him to lose all kinds of muscle/velocity on his throws.

There's alot going against Cutler, I don't think he gets a fair shake. I certainly don't think he is in Top 5 by any stretch, but people rail on him and he hasn't had a normal season in my mind. Going to Chicago probably won't help a ton, but he has a solid run game, decent line, and decent defense (when healthy). Hester is going to have to step up and they've got Olsen at TE who is gonna be good. I think he fares pretty well in Chi-town.

[stlrz d]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Elway won 2 Super Bowls.

And Aikman won 3.

I am firmly in the "Ben deserves better press" camp, but these obvious mistakes make me question every statistic posted in that story.

context, guys. If you read the story, you would see that those stats were only for the first five years of each of the QBs careers. Read, gentlemen, read.

Okay, then...Montana did not win 4 Super Bowls in his first 5 seasons.

Correct. The Montana 4 titles in his first five years is a mistake. He won 1 in his first five. The rest is correct.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Amazing how you can use the offensive line as a crutch for Bruce Arians, yet not even mention it as contributing to Ben's situation. For you to honestly believe that he didn't play like one of the top five quarterbacks in the league is astonishing...especially from someone who I'm sure saw each game. The guy was as clutch as they came last season and in my opinion did more to entrench himself among the elite than in any year past. He was so good that I had complete confidence we'd win the Super Bowl even after Fitzgerald's catch and run. Think back across Manning's career and see how many clutch performances he's had...particularly in the playoffs. How 'bout Brees?

By the way, Brady didn't even play last year, so who were the five quarterbacks you think did a better job than the guy wearing the ring?

My philosophy is that most of what happens is on the players, not the coaches.

I said Ben was one of SEVERAL factors why the offense struggled last season. Another factor would be the inconsistent play and injuries to the Oline. There were some other factors. During the season, I don't think Ben played like a top 5 QB. There is evidence to back that up. One reason why the offense had to win in the final minutes of some games was because they were inconsistent. The defense scored a few times to help them out.

How many times were Manning and Brees in that situation? I cannot say for sure. Don't have time to do that research. How many times did they have defenses like the Steelers had? I don't think they ever had a defense the caliber of the Steelers. If the Saints had the Steelers defense last season, I believe they win the SB. I will let you decide the 5 or 6 QB's that had better individual seasons then Ben in 08. I think that there are 3 QB's in the league that are better then Ben right now. There are a number of guys that you can put in behind those 3. I think a case can be made for each guy. That includes Ben. It is a matter of opinion.

If someone ranks Ben 4th, 5th, or 6th best QB, I don't see the problem. Just because someone ranks him 4th, 5th, or 6th does not make him a bad or terrible QB. It is mostly that persons opinion. If he had ranked Ben 15th or 16th, I would understand.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Amazing how you can use the offensive line as a crutch for Bruce Arians, yet not even mention it as contributing to Ben's situation. For you to honestly believe that he didn't play like one of the top five quarterbacks in the league is astonishing...especially from someone who I'm sure saw each game. The guy was as clutch as they came last season and in my opinion did more to entrench himself among the elite than in any year past. He was so good that I had complete confidence we'd win the Super Bowl even after Fitzgerald's catch and run. Think back across Manning's career and see how many clutch performances he's had...particularly in the playoffs. How 'bout Brees?

By the way, Brady didn't even play last year, so who were the five quarterbacks you think did a better job than the guy wearing the ring?

My philosophy is that most of what happens is on the players, not the coaches.

I said Ben was one of SEVERAL factors why the offense struggled last season. Another factor would be the inconsistent play and injuries to the Oline. There were some other factors. During the season, I don't think Ben played like a top 5 QB. There is evidence to back that up. One reason why the offense had to win in the final minutes of some games was because they were inconsistent. The defense scored a few times to help them out.

How many times were Manning and Brees in that situation? I cannot say for sure. Don't have time to do that research. How many times did they have defenses like the Steelers had? I don't think they ever had a defense the caliber of the Steelers. If the Saints had the Steelers defense last season, I believe they win the SB. I will let you decide the 5 or 6 QB's that had better individual seasons then Ben in 08. I think that there are 3 QB's in the league that are better then Ben right now. There are a number of guys that you can put in behind those 3. I think a case can be made for each guy. That includes Ben. It is a matter of opinion.

If someone ranks Ben 4th, 5th, or 6th best QB, I don't see the problem. Just because someone ranks him 4th, 5th, or 6th does not make him a bad or terrible QB. It is mostly that persons opinion. If he had ranked Ben 15th or 16th, I would understand.

For fantasy purposes, I could see Ben being ranked in the middle of the pack league-wise, in the neighborhood of 15th or 16th. But for real-life purposes, where being able to lead your team to victories in the most pressure-packed situations is much more important than being able to accumulate stats in blowout games against the dregs of the league, then Ben has to be mentioned near the top of everyone's list.

[stlrz d]

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Way to completely ignore all the historical comparisons to some of the all time greats in the game.

[Flasteel]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Amazing how you can use the offensive line as a crutch for Bruce Arians, yet not even mention it as contributing to Ben's situation. For you to honestly believe that he didn't play like one of the top five quarterbacks in the league is astonishing...especially from someone who I'm sure saw each game. The guy was as clutch as they came last season and in my opinion did more to entrench himself among the elite than in any year past. He was so good that I had complete confidence we'd win the Super Bowl even after Fitzgerald's catch and run. Think back across Manning's career and see how many clutch performances he's had...particularly in the playoffs. How 'bout Brees?

By the way, Brady didn't even play last year, so who were the five quarterbacks you think did a better job than the guy wearing the ring?

My philosophy is that most of what happens is on the players, not the coaches.

I said Ben was one of SEVERAL factors why the offense struggled last season. Another factor would be the inconsistent play and injuries to the Oline. There were some other factors. During the season, I don't think Ben played like a top 5 QB. There is evidence to back that up. One reason why the offense had to win in the final minutes of some games was because they were inconsistent. The defense scored a few times to help them out.

How many times were Manning and Brees in that situation? I cannot say for sure. Don't have time to do that research. How many times did they have defenses like the Steelers had? I don't think they ever had a defense the caliber of the Steelers. If the Saints had the Steelers defense last season, I believe they win the SB. I will let you decide the 5 or 6 QB's that had better individual seasons then Ben in 08. I think that there are 3 QB's in the league that are better then Ben right now. There are a number of guys that you can put in behind those 3. I think a case can be made for each guy. That includes Ben. It is a matter of opinion.

If someone ranks Ben 4th, 5th, or 6th best QB, I don't see the problem. Just because someone ranks him 4th, 5th, or 6th does not make him a bad or terrible QB. It is mostly that persons opinion. If he had ranked Ben 15th or 16th, I would understand.

I agree that nobody needs to lose sleep over whether or not Ben is ranked as the 4th, 5th, or 6th best quarterback by some slappy. However, you were the one who said that he didn't play like a top-5 quarterback last season. Statistically you have some ammo to back that up, but it ignores the intangibles. He was friggin' awesome when it counted from the first week to the last 42 seconds of the season. So why not give the quarterback of your team the credit he deserves?