Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

[Ozey74]

Not that I care what he thinks but here they are:


Culter, McNabb, Brees, Manning, & Brady.


Roethlisberger has twice the moxy of any of these chumps. The "no respect" thing is a double edge sword. I hate that he doesn't get the credit that he deserves, but the lack of recogniziton has got to piss him off.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Haven't you heard? You have to pass the ball at least 35 times a game to be considered "great".

[Ozey74]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Haven't you heard? You have to pass the ball at least 35 times a game to be considered "great".

Seriously! Manning sucks. Had he been drafted by a team with an outdoor stadium that was in a cold climate, he wouldn't be considered an elite QB.


He puts up his monster stats when all his ducks are in a row........at home and/or against crap teams in decent weather.

[steelsnis]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

yeah, i saw Sapp give his list. They asked him why Big Ben wasn't in his Top 5 and he said that he didn't have the stats.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What a joke! He then went on to say how clutch Ben is and how much of a winner he is but to get in Warren's top 5 you gotta have the stats.

I honestly don't have an issue with Manning, Brady or Brees on the list, tho I'd have Ben ahead of Brees. But Cutler and McNabb???

So Cutler has 4000 yards passing but can't win games, hates his teammates and whines his way outta Denver and he's on your list? Haha great criteria. I actually like McNabb as a QB but it's hard to put him ahead of Ben at this point. It's not like he's had crappy teams around him his whole career. The Eagles have been damn good for the better part of a decade but they just can't get the job done in the clutch.

Guess who can???

[stlrz d]

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Sapp and Faulk routinely refer to Ben as a double agent QB. What they mean by that is he gives the other team the ball as much as he gives it to his guys...or something like that.

Cutler has 37 picks in 3 seasons...and he only started 5 games as a rookie.

Brees has 99 picks in 7 seasons (I didn't include his rookie season because he only played one game and didn't start).

McNabb has 90 picks in 10 seasons.

Manning has 165 (that's not a typo) picks in 11 seasons.

Brady has 86 picks in 7 seasons. I didn't include his rookie season (1 game, no starts) or 2008 (missed nearly the entire season due to injury).

Ben has 69 in 5 seasons, with 23 coming in that dreaded '06 season.

Breaking it down as picks per games started (regular season only), that translates to:

Cutler - 37 starts, 37 picks. 1 per start average.

Ben - 71 starts, 69 picks. .97 per start average.

Manning - 176 starts, 165 picks. .94 per start average.

Brees - 106 starts, 99 picks. .93 per start average.

Brady - 110 starts, 86 picks. .78 per start average.

McNabb - 128 starts, 90 picks. .70 per start average.

I know you can't simply take away that '06 season, but it will forever remain debatable that had it not been for the cycle accident and appendectomy that Ben would have been more around the 12 pick mark, which is his average excluding the '06 season. So had that been the case that would then put him at 71 starts, 57 picks...or .83 picks per start.

So why is Ben a "double agent" but Cutler, Manning and Brees aren't? I guess that's one of life's great mysteries...or it's that Sapp and Faulk don't like Ben for some reason and therefore can't be objective when it comes to ranking him.

Bottom line is this - only one QB on that list has more rings than Ben. Ben's a winner. He just wins games...which is what matters most.

[stlrz d]

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And if someone better at math would break the numbers down by number of picks per 25 pass attempts (or something similar), I would bet that Ben still compares favorably.

I say that because some will say those other offenses throw the ball more.

Also, the Pats and Eagles both run the WCO, which imo, explains why McNabb and Brady have fewer picks. Brady's YPA (as someone who shall remain nameless was correct in pointing out) took a dramatic upturn when the Pats acquired Moss.

[Steelgal]

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I swear, fantasy football has ruined some analysts thinking...... If you don't put up huge numbers, ala Manning or Brady, then you're not elite.

Ben will never be a stat leader, but I'd take him over any of the Prima donnas anyday. He has intangibles that can't be measured.

Sapp is and will always be an idiot

[ramblinjim]

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Michael Wilbon from the Washington Post says that if he had to take a quarterback to win a game that his life depended on it, he would take Ben any day.

It's hard to argue against Brady but Ben is as clutch as anyone. Let Cutler and McNabb actually win some playoff games before we call them clutch.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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I don't think it is a knock on Ben if someone thinks he is the 5th or 6th best QB in the league. He did not play like a top 5 QB last season. I think that Manning, Brady, and Brees are clearly better than Ben. After that, there are a number of guys that can go into the 4th and 5th spots. It all depends on how someone wants to rank those QB's.

[stlrz d]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

I don't think it is a knock on Ben if someone thinks he is the 5th or 6th best QB in the league. He did not play like a top 5 QB last season. I think that Manning, Brady, and Brees are clearly better than Ben. After that, there are a number of guys that can go into the 4th and 5th spots. It all depends on how someone wants to rank those QB's.

That's too bad.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

I don't think it is a knock on Ben if someone thinks he is the 5th or 6th best QB in the league. He did not play like a top 5 QB last season. I think that Manning, Brady, and Brees are clearly better than Ben. After that, there are a number of guys that can go into the 4th and 5th spots. It all depends on how someone wants to rank those QB's.

That's too bad.

Not really.

[Oviedo]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

I swear, fantasy football has ruined some analysts thinking...... If you don't put up huge numbers, ala Manning or Brady, then you're not elite.

Ben will never be a stat leader, but I'd take him over any of the Prima donnas anyday. He has intangibles that can't be measured.

Sapp is and will always be an idiot

Fantasy football has runined the perception of the NFL by many, even posters on this board which is probably one of the most knowledgeable there is. They fail to understand the nuances of the game and rely on stats as the determination of success. Stats lie.

This list by Sapp is nothing more than a list of the 5 biggest stats generators. Sapp has just fallen into the trap of the vast majority of the sports media who have gotten lazy and so they look for easy sources of information to generate the increased volume of stories that the 24/7 television and internet media requires. What is easier than going to a list of stats and "inventing" stories out of that?

[fezziwig]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

I swear, fantasy football has ruined some analysts thinking...... If you don't put up huge numbers, ala Manning or Brady, then you're not elite.

Ben will never be a stat leader, but I'd take him over any of the Prima donnas anyday. He has intangibles that can't be measured.

Sapp is and will always be an idiot

Perfect !

[Starlifter]

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if the concept of 'double agent' is legitimate, brett favre would be at the top of the list - yet they never seem to mention him. interesting. there are so many stats related to QB it is impossible to use them to decide who is best, who is top 5 etc. for every stat we give about ben, some jaggov will give another about manning. it's nothing but a sportsfan circlejerk, lotta effort - useless results.

bottom line for me, the only stat i care about is wins and championships. taking solace in total yards and completion percentage is something bungle fans do.

[msp26505]

Re: Warren Sapp's Top 5 NFL QB'S on NFL Total Access

Fantasy football has runined the perception of the NFL by many, even posters on this board which is probably one of the most knowledgeable there is. They fail to understand the nuances of the game and rely on stats as the determination of success. Stats lie.

This list by Sapp is nothing more than a list of the 5 biggest stats generators. Sapp has just fallen into the trap of the vast majority of the sports media who have gotten lazy and so they look for easy sources of information to generate the increased volume of stories that the 24/7 television and internet media requires. What is easier than going to a list of stats and "inventing" stories out of that?

Mark Twain said it best: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."