One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

[Steel Life]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

[steelers43]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

Why?

A few questions.

1. Who will we get that will have a greater impact on our team at that spot?

2. What will we do with the extra picks? We only have about 4-5 spots even available for rookies to make the team and we already have 9 picks. If anything we need to move player or picks for future picks, not add more picks for this year.

Harvin instantly fills the need of another receiver and instant playmaker waiting to happen both on offense and special teams.

If he's there, he should no doubt be the pick. I can't imagine anyone there adding more to the team.

[Chadman]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

Anyone considered the possibility of the Steelers grabbing Louis Delmas at #32? They brought him in, he's a proven player at the college level, he fits a need for the Steelers in terms of a 2-year plan. Ryan Clark is 30, enters the last year of his contract this season...Steelers don't tend to overspend on players in that demographic.

Delmas is the #1 Safety on the board....

[steelers43]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

Anyone considered the possibility of the Steelers grabbing Louis Delmas at #32? They brought him in, he's a proven player at the college level, he fits a need for the Steelers in terms of a 2-year plan. Ryan Clark is 30, enters the last year of his contract this season...Steelers don't tend to overspend on players in that demographic.

Delmas is the #1 Safety on the board....

Delmas or Moore in round 2 is a possible target imo. I don't think we are looking at either one for round 2.

William Moore is a player I'd like to see next to Troy.

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

Why?

A few questions.

1. Who will we get that will have a greater impact on our team at that spot?

2. What will we do with the extra picks? We only have about 4-5 spots even available for rookies to make the team and we already have 9 picks. If anything we need to move player or picks for future picks, not add more picks for this year.

Harvin instantly fills the need of another receiver and instant playmaker waiting to happen both on offense and special teams.

If he's there, he should no doubt be the pick. I can't imagine anyone there adding more to the team.

Hey there 43, long time no see.

I think I would rather have robiskie or delmas over harvin, harvin may have the "physical traits" of a star, but's always hurt and is a primadonna.

my thoughts anyhow.

[steelblood]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.

I guess I'm not sure how to quantify "tough." Seems like a very ambiguous lable that can be applied to someone or not applied to someone to support an opinion. I really doubt that Unger is as highly rated as he is because he isn't "tough." I'm more concerned with someone being "good" more than "tough."

I'll quantify it for you.

Toughness
Unger is a 3.5
Mack is a 7.5
Wood is a 8.0

[SteelCzar76]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.

I guess I'm not sure how to quantify "tough." Seems like a very ambiguous lable that can be applied to someone or not applied to someone to support an opinion. I really doubt that Unger is as highly rated as he is because he isn't "tough." I'm more concerned with someone being "good" more than "tough."

I'll quantify it for you.

Toughness
Unger is a 3.5
Mack is a 7.5
Wood is a 8.0

Well said,....but i'd also add that in terms of physical, Intellectual and emotional toughness Shipley is a 10.0. (The Kid was initially a DT coming into College, yet he made an almost seamless transition into being a dominant pure Center)

So where does that leave the Organization in terms of whom do they select ? Based upon size it would be Mack, based upon upside it would be Wood, based upon skill set it would be Unger, and based upon Toughness and productivity it would be Shipley.

I think the determining factors in terms of which prospect the Organization will select this weekend (and henceforth at which point in the Draft) will be a matter of whom Tomlin has a greater affinity for on a personal level, along with whom his coaching staff feels is a better fit for how they are attempting to go about the business of having not only a productive offense, but one that is consistent and once again,...Physical.

[Oviedo]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.

I guess I'm not sure how to quantify "tough." Seems like a very ambiguous lable that can be applied to someone or not applied to someone to support an opinion. I really doubt that Unger is as highly rated as he is because he isn't "tough." I'm more concerned with someone being "good" more than "tough."

I'll quantify it for you.

Toughness
Unger is a 3.5
Mack is a 7.5
Wood is a 8.0

Well said,....but i'd also add that in terms of physical, Intellectual and emotional toughness Shipley is a 10.0. (The Kid was initially a DT coming into College, yet he made an almost seamless transition into being a dominant pure Center)

So where does that leave the Organization in terms of whom do they select ? Based upon size it would Mack, based upon upside it would be Wood, based upon skill set it would be Unger, and based upon Toughness and productivity it would be Shipley.

I think the determining factors in terms of which prospect the Organization will select this weekend (and henceforth at which point in the Draft) will be a matter of whom Tomlin has a greater affinity for on a personal level, along with whom his coaching staff feels is a better fit for how they are attempting to go about the business of having not only a productive offense, but one that is consistent and once again,...Physical.

That has made it perfectly clear

[SteelCzar76]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

Anyone considered the possibility of the Steelers grabbing Louis Delmas at #32? They brought him in, he's a proven player at the college level, he fits a need for the Steelers in terms of a 2-year plan. Ryan Clark is 30, enters the last year of his contract this season...Steelers don't tend to overspend on players in that demographic.

Delmas is the #1 Safety on the board....

Though i do agree with you that we have a need for another stud safety on the horizon. And i like Delmas,...the kid is made of strong stuff. (And he's come along way to being on the threshold of playing in the NFL.)

I'd also have to say that,.....i think that given a better safety class, (say Taylor Mays had declared, Moore wouldn't have completely fallen off, and Patrick Chung had better speed and was a factor in Coverage),...he (Delmas) wouldn't possibly be considered a 1st round pick. A very solid mid second,...but not a first.

Meaning i think that he is being "pushed" up the boards not necessarily because of his ability as much as because of the fact that his peers are so lacking this year.

But then again who knows,....perhaps he's to safeties this year what Jerod Mayo was to Backers in last year's Draft ?

[Steel Life]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

Why?

A few questions.

1. Who will we get that will have a greater impact on our team at that spot?

2. What will we do with the extra picks? We only have about 4-5 spots even available for rookies to make the team and we already have 9 picks. If anything we need to move player or picks for future picks, not add more picks for this year.

Harvin instantly fills the need of another receiver and instant playmaker waiting to happen both on offense and special teams.

If he's there, he should no doubt be the pick. I can't imagine anyone there adding more to the team.

I understand the attraction to Harvin, but he isn't a "need" player & given his propensity for injury, how much good will he do us from the training room? He reminds me of Chad Jackson (also of Florida) & Sinorice Moss, neither of whom could get on track because of injury issues. Now, do I think they'll pick a WR in this draft - absolutely - but they won't spend the 1st pick on an oft-injured player with a prima-donna attitude & drug & associations issues to boot. To illustrate, here's a quote from a recent article regarding the team's draft strategy...
"...instead of focusing on players at particular positions, Coach Mike Tomlin and Director of Football Operations Kevin Colbert will make decisions based on the kind of people those players are.

“I see it with increasing clarity the longer I have my job,” said Tomlin. “I’m looking for guys who are talented and have humility, because the guys who are humble and even-keeled are the guys who will come into this thing and fit in, they’ll continue to grow and get better, they’ll take the criticisms of their game, they’ll be accountable.”

Regarding the strategy of dangling Harvin for more picks...I clearly stated that my objective was for draft flexibility & a means to assure they get the players they want. I could care less if they chose to trade away any number of picks or go up & down in the draft - so long as they quality. I'm like you, I don't think there are that many spots available on the squad, but they need to shore up certain areas & create healthy competition in others.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.

I guess I'm not sure how to quantify "tough." Seems like a very ambiguous lable that can be applied to someone or not applied to someone to support an opinion. I really doubt that Unger is as highly rated as he is because he isn't "tough." I'm more concerned with someone being "good" more than "tough."

I'll quantify it for you.

Toughness
Unger is a 3.5
Mack is a 7.5
Wood is a 8.0

Well said,....but i'd also add that in terms of physical, Intellectual and emotional toughness Shipley is a 10.0. (The Kid was initially a DT coming into College, yet he made an almost seamless transition into being a dominant pure Center)

So where does that leave the Organization in terms of whom do they select ? Based upon size it would Mack, based upon upside it would be Wood, based upon skill set it would be Unger, and based upon Toughness and productivity it would be Shipley.

I think the determining factors in terms of which prospect the Organization will select this weekend (and henceforth at which point in the Draft) will be a matter of whom Tomlin has a greater affinity for on a personal level, along with whom his coaching staff feels is a better fit for how they are attempting to go about the business of having not only a productive offense, but one that is consistent and once again,...Physical.

That has made it perfectly clear

Yeah,...i know that may be a bit vague O,...but unless we definitively know whom made the greatest impact on Tomlin and his staff on a personal level,..it's kind of hard to say whom they will select out of the "big Uglies". (As it could be justifiably argued on behalf of all of them by their particular supporters that each are worthy)

I like Eric Wood but my gut (along with other "forcasting" that i use) tells me it's Ship. But i guess that we'll just have to wait and see ?

[SteelCzar76]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

[quote=Steel Life]

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

Why?

A few questions.

1. Who will we get that will have a greater impact on our team at that spot?

2. What will we do with the extra picks? We only have about 4-5 spots even available for rookies to make the team and we already have 9 picks. If anything we need to move player or picks for future picks, not add more picks for this year.

Harvin instantly fills the need of another receiver and instant playmaker waiting to happen both on offense and special teams.

If he's there, he should no doubt be the pick. I can't imagine anyone there adding more to the team.

I understand the attraction to Harvin, but he isn't a "need" player & given his propensity for injury, how much good will he do us from the training room? He reminds me of Chad Jackson (also of Florida) & Sinorice Moss, neither of whom could get on track because of injury issues. Now, do I think they'll pick a WR in this draft - absolutely - but they won't spend the 1st pick on an oft-injured player with a prima-donna attitude & drug & associations issues to boot. To illustrate, here's a quote from a recent article regarding the team's draft strategy...
"...instead of focusing on players at particular positions, Coach Mike Tomlin and Director of Football Operations Kevin Colbert will make decisions based on the kind of people those players are.

“I see it with increasing clarity the longer I have my job,” said Tomlin. “I’m looking for guys who are talented and have humility, because the guys who are humble and even-keeled are the guys who will come into this thing and fit in, they’ll continue to grow and get better, they’ll take the criticisms of their game, they’ll be accountable.”

Regarding the strategy of dangling Harvin for more picks...I clearly stated that my objective was for draft flexibility & a means to assure they get the players they want. I could care less if they chose to trade away any number of picks or go up & down in the draft - so long as they quality. I'm like you, I don't think there are that many spots available on the squad, but they need to shore up certain areas & create healthy competition in others.[/quote:3ot2t6kh]


Good post, nice insight. However i would think that it would be fair to say that an exceptional gamebreaking WR is a need for this team considering how inconsistent this offense was in terms of being able to score points last season.

What i mean is Hines is Hines,...he's gonna be productive, but let's be honest he's in the twighlight of his career. Sweed is still an unknown commodity, and Santo though a considerable game changing talent,..cannot be expected to do it all alone and or provide game winning heroics every week.

And again,... i'll go on record as saying that not only do i feel Harvin's "issues" are being blown out of proportion, but that if there is only one Coach in the league that could help the kid maximize his potential at all levels on and off of the field,..it's Mike Tomlin.

And as such,..the folly on our part would not be in Drafting Harvin,..but in passing on him when he could be a very important factor in taking our offense to the same level of productivity as to which we perform with on the defensive side of the ball. (given that Ben's prepared and the O-line begins to Gel as well)

And that's very bad news for the rest of the League,......

[Oviedo]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

[quote=SteelCzar76]

If Harvin's there at 32...they should see if anybody's interested & see if we can get their pick in the second & an additional 3rd or 4th (or maybe work with Indy for their 2nd & Pierre Garcon,WR). Either way, I'd like to have the flexibility to make sure we can get Gilbert in the 2nd.

Why?

A few questions.

1. Who will we get that will have a greater impact on our team at that spot?

2. What will we do with the extra picks? We only have about 4-5 spots even available for rookies to make the team and we already have 9 picks. If anything we need to move player or picks for future picks, not add more picks for this year.

Harvin instantly fills the need of another receiver and instant playmaker waiting to happen both on offense and special teams.

If he's there, he should no doubt be the pick. I can't imagine anyone there adding more to the team.

I understand the attraction to Harvin, but he isn't a "need" player & given his propensity for injury, how much good will he do us from the training room? He reminds me of Chad Jackson (also of Florida) & Sinorice Moss, neither of whom could get on track because of injury issues. Now, do I think they'll pick a WR in this draft - absolutely - but they won't spend the 1st pick on an oft-injured player with a prima-donna attitude & drug & associations issues to boot. To illustrate, here's a quote from a recent article regarding the team's draft strategy...
"...instead of focusing on players at particular positions, Coach Mike Tomlin and Director of Football Operations Kevin Colbert will make decisions based on the kind of people those players are.

“I see it with increasing clarity the longer I have my job,” said Tomlin. “I’m looking for guys who are talented and have humility, because the guys who are humble and even-keeled are the guys who will come into this thing and fit in, they’ll continue to grow and get better, they’ll take the criticisms of their game, they’ll be accountable.”

Regarding the strategy of dangling Harvin for more picks...I clearly stated that my objective was for draft flexibility & a means to assure they get the players they want. I could care less if they chose to trade away any number of picks or go up & down in the draft - so long as they quality. I'm like you, I don't think there are that many spots available on the squad, but they need to shore up certain areas & create healthy competition in others.

Good post, nice insight. However i would think that it would be fair to say that an exceptional gamebreaking WR is a need for this team considering how inconsistent this offense was in terms of being able to score points last season.

What i mean is Hines is Hines,...he's gonna be productive, but let's be honest he's in the twighlight of his career. Sweed is still an unknown commodity, and Santo though a considerable game changing talent,..cannot be expected to do it all alone and or provide game winning heroics every week.

And again,... i'll go on record as saying that not only do i feel Harvin's "issues" are being blown out of proportion, but that if there is only one Coach in the league that could help the kid maximize his potential at all levels on and off of the field,..it's Mike Tomlin.

And as such,..the folly on our part would not be in Drafting Harvin,..but in passing on him when he could be a very important factor in taking our offense to the same level of productivity as to which we perform with on the defensive side of the ball. (given that Ben's prepared and the O-line begins to Gel as well)

And that's very bad news for the rest of the League,......[/quote:2sj73xbr]

I would be OK with a WR in Rounds 1-3. You can't think that Hines gets through another season without an injury and Santonio has not exactly been an "ironman" in his first frew seasons.

I do however has serious reservations about harvin both from a durability issue and a personal conduct issue. In Gainesville they have said he lives in "percy world" In other words he is a huge prima dona who "rolls with a posse" of old buddies.

I think I'd rather grab a high character kid like Derrick Williams in Round 2 or 3 and get OL help in Round 1.

[stlrz d]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

Good post, nice insight. However i would think that it would be fair to say that an exceptional gamebreaking WR is a need for this team considering how inconsistent this offense was in terms of being able to score points last season.

What i mean is Hines is Hines,...he's gonna be productive, but let's be honest he's in the twighlight of his career. Sweed is still an unknown commodity, and Santo though a considerable game changing talent,..cannot be expected to do it all alone and or provide game winning heroics every week.

And again,... i'll go on record as saying that not only do i feel Harvin's "issues" are being blown out of proportion, but that if there is only one Coach in the league that could help the kid maximize his potential at all levels on and off of the field,..it's Mike Tomlin.

And as such,..the folly on our part would not be in Drafting Harvin,..but in passing on him when he could be a very important factor in taking our offense to the same level of productivity as to which we perform with on the defensive side of the ball. (given that Ben's prepared and the O-line begins to Gel as well)

And that's very bad news for the rest of the League,......

Who in their right mind wants a guy that needs that kind of special attention right off the bat?

Who in their right mind wants to take that kind of gamble?

I realize that players don't have attitude problems and do what they're supposed to do in video games, but this is real life and taking this kind of chance on a first round pick at a skill position that ranks right behind QB in terms of difficulty to play at the NFL level is simply foolish.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

Good post, nice insight. However i would think that it would be fair to say that an exceptional gamebreaking WR is a need for this team considering how inconsistent this offense was in terms of being able to score points last season.

What i mean is Hines is Hines,...he's gonna be productive, but let's be honest he's in the twighlight of his career. Sweed is still an unknown commodity, and Santo though a considerable game changing talent,..cannot be expected to do it all alone and or provide game winning heroics every week.

And again,... i'll go on record as saying that not only do i feel Harvin's "issues" are being blown out of proportion, but that if there is only one Coach in the league that could help the kid maximize his potential at all levels on and off of the field,..it's Mike Tomlin.

And as such,..the folly on our part would not be in Drafting Harvin,..but in passing on him when he could be a very important factor in taking our offense to the same level of productivity as to which we perform with on the defensive side of the ball. (given that Ben's prepared and the O-line begins to Gel as well)

And that's very bad news for the rest of the League,......

Who in their right mind wants a guy that needs that kind of special attention right off the bat?

Who in their right mind wants to take that kind of gamble?

I realize that players don't have attitude problems and do what they're supposed to do in video games, but this is real life and taking this kind of chance on a first round pick at a skill position that ranks right behind QB in terms of difficulty to play at the NFL level is simply foolish.

Taking what kind of chance ? Are you speaking of the kind of assumed risk based upon hearsay as you were not personally in any confrontations with the said player ? Or do you mean the assumed risk in terms of the said player smoking Marijuana, wearing flashy Jewelry, clothing and having friends whom aren't exactly "squares" ? (much like many players already on your very roster whom are not menaces to society and or your organization ?)