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  • Oviedo
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    • May 2008
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    One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

    Actually a logical well thought out assessment that identifies Unger or Wood as the favorites. I would be very happy with either of them at 1.32.

    Setting the odds on Steelers' first pick


    By Jim Wexell
    SteelCityInsider.com
    Posted Apr 16, 2009


    SteelCityInsider.com publisher Jim Wexell isn't accepting bets, but he does provide the odds on whom the Steelers will draft in the first round of next week's draft.

    As a self-described “personnel junkie,” Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin is stringing together quite a list of catch-phrases pertaining to the draft.
    One of them, made during his first year as coach, described a linebacker we in Western Pa. thought was a tough, consistent, Jack Ham type of player.

    “That boy’s as ordinary as a bowl of grits,” Tomlin said, off the record, of the player his team was getting ready to play. Tomlin, that year, had picked Lawrence Timmons, and the bar was set: The new coach goes for quick-twitch over steady and safe.

    However, that philosophy is changing a bit as Tomlin works into his third season. Here’s what he told Steelers Digest after being asked what type of player he’s targeting this draft:

    “I see it with increasing clarity the longer I have my job. I’m looking for guys who are talented and have humility, because the guys who are humble and even-keeled are the guys who will come into this thing and fit in, they’ll continue to grow and get better, they’ll take the criticisms of their game, they’ll be accountable.”

    For anyone who’s ever played with a prima donna at any level of any sport, this is heartening news. While a player such as Vontae Davis is anything but “a bowl of grits” with his speed and outrageous musculature for a cornerback, he’s been a pain in the rear end for his coaches and will ultimately be that for his next team. So cross Davis off the list, and probably any of the 26 players who reportedly tested positive for drugs at the combine.

    Who’s being accountable? Who’s being humble? Who’ll continue to grow? Who’ll fit into that championship locker room by keeping his mouth shut, while at the same time raising the overall talent level?

    Well, these are my guesses:

    1. Darius Butler, CB, UConn – A conversation with a scout the other day convinced me that Butler is the CB for the Steelers over Alphonso Smith (“In three years, he’s still going to be 5-8”). I talked to Butler at the combine and quickly sensed the required humility and business-like approach. He also has the talent with his quick feet and stick-em hands, and his return skills would make him an A-plus grab for the Steelers. Problem is, he’ll probably be gone. Odds: 15-1.

    2. Eben Britton, OT, Arizona – Another Tomlin-ism comes into play here. Last season, the coach was asked for his philosophy on drafting O-linemen, and he said “tackles, tackles, tackles,” meaning those are the better athletes and they can always be moved inside. Well, that’s the only reason Britton’s listed here because it’s unlikely the Steelers will reach for a finesse pass-blocker at the end of the first round. Such a pick would force Willie Colon inside. If this were Eugene Monroe, moving Colon would be the right move, but moving starters to make room for questionable rookies is too risky. Odds: 12-1.

    3. Ziggy Hood, DE, Missouri – This athletic marvel was awful against the run as a gap-shooting tackle last season, and would seemingly not fit as a 3-4 end. But the Steelers love his athleticism and humility and figure he’d take well to the necessary coaching. However, a 4-3 team such as the Colts is a more likely landing spot for Hood, and if the Steelers are going to draft a player in the first round who doesn’t score touchdowns, or cover those who do, it’ll likely be an offensive lineman. Odds: 8-1.

    4. Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State – The son of an NFL assistant coach, Robiskie is a real sleeper because of the run-first freshman QB at Ohio State last season. But Robiskie has the size and speed, and could also fit as a kickoff returner, not to mention as a big-and-nifty slot receiver. Big-and-nifty is by no means “boring grits,” as well-coached, disciplined kids like Robiskie can appear to be. Odds: 6-1.

    5. Max Unger, C/G, Oregon – The big man appears here ahead of Alex Mack because of his versatility. Unger played LT at Oregon for two years, and that spikes the Steelers’ grades. He’s also adept at pulling after making a shotgun snap, which scouts say is rare. This player might be the best bet on this board, since the favorite is more highly regarded than originally expected. Odds: 4-1.

    6. Eric Wood, C/G, Louisville – Not quite as tall and rangy as Unger, who could put on another 20 pounds, but Wood is more passionate about the game. In the Senior Bowl, he not only handled B.J. Raji, but showed surprising move skills as a guard, which were reaffirmed at the combine. While those move skills will never resemble Dermontti Dawson’s, Wood’s work ethic and attitude should spark flashbacks of Mike Webster, which fits Tomlin’s overriding draft theme. Odds: 5-2.


    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"
  • Oviedo
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 23824

    #2
    Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

    I will add that:

    I will be very happy if Vontae Davis is not under consideration.

    I'm sure selecting Hood will raise the debate of eventually going to a 4-3 again.

    I think Robiskie would be a huge reach at 1.32 so I don't see that happening but Colbert surprises us in Round 1 every year and it seems to always work out.
    "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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    • steelblood
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 4166

      #3
      Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

      I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.
      Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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      • SteelBucks
        Legend
        • Aug 2008
        • 8075

        #4
        Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

        Originally posted by Oviedo

        I think Robiskie would be a huge reach at 1.32 so I don't see that happening but Colbert surprises us in Round 1 every year and it seems to always work out.
        I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down.

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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #5
          Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

          Originally posted by steelblood
          I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.
          I guess I'm not sure how to quantify "tough." Seems like a very ambiguous lable that can be applied to someone or not applied to someone to support an opinion. I really doubt that Unger is as highly rated as he is because he isn't "tough." I'm more concerned with someone being "good" more than "tough."
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • SteelCzar76
            Starter
            • Mar 2009
            • 655

            #6
            Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

            For anyone who’s ever played with a prima donna at any level of any sport, this is heartening news. While a player such as Vontae Davis is anything but “a bowl of grits” with his speed and outrageous musculature for a cornerback, he’s been a pain in the rear end for his coaches and will ultimately be that for his next team. So cross Davis off the list, and probably any of the 26 players who reportedly tested positive for drugs at the combine.

            Sooo,.....i guess the fact that they brought Davis in for a visit means virtually nothing ? And nor does the fact that Santo (along with half of the league) blazes up,.. yet he is not a criminal or head case ? (Are we really to believe that he just started as much when he turned pro and that the NFL whom goes over a prospect's background like the NSA was not aware?)

            I'm just sayin,...i do not care about a prospect and Marijuana use. What i would be wary of though are players with criminal records, poor work ethic, lack of discipline and very low 'football' IQ's.
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            • SteelCzar76
              Starter
              • Mar 2009
              • 655

              #7
              Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

              I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
              .


              And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
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              "We’ll have a mix-and-match concept that hopefully will see us through.” ~Tomlin

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              • SteelCzar76
                Starter
                • Mar 2009
                • 655

                #8
                Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                Originally posted by steelblood
                I'd be very disappointed if we drafted Unger or Hood. We need physical tough guys on our lines.
                I most certainly agree you regarding Unger. Though i feel Hood is very physical,..he's just inconsistent.
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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                  Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                  I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
                  .


                  And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
                  Of all the potential Round 1 picks, Harvin probably has the best chance of becoming the next "Pacman." Lots of things I hear out of Gainesville is that he is a bad time waiting to happen.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • stlrz d
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 9244

                    #10
                    Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                    Originally posted by Oviedo
                    Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                    I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
                    .


                    And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
                    Of all the potential Round 1 picks, Harvin probably has the best chance of becoming the next "Pacman." Lots of things I hear out of Gainesville is that he is a bad time waiting to happen.
                    I hope some team takes him way before 32. I want nothing to do with the guy.

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                    • SteelCzar76
                      Starter
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 655

                      #11
                      Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                      Originally posted by Oviedo
                      Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                      I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
                      .


                      And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
                      Of all the potential Round 1 picks, Harvin probably has the best chance of becoming the next "Pacman." Lots of things I hear out of Gainesville is that he is a bad time waiting to happen.

                      I feel you O. But i do not think that Harvin is the kind of cat that at the end of the day would throw away everything that he's worked his entire life for for the sake of "stunting". As he (like the rest of his peers) have most certainly witnessed what that did for Pac-man and Mike Vick.

                      I do not feel Harvin is cut from that cloth. I think he's just an extremely driven and confident kid. (Perhaps egotistical) And that rubs some people the wrong way. But i'd prefer to have confident hard working players whom want to win as opposed to the "just good enough to get by" minded individuals.

                      As WoodleyOfTroy mentioned before in a previous thread,...i agree that under the tutelage of our Coaching staff, (Tomlin in particular) and surrounded by the class of men on our roster, he would not only maximize his football potential, but his said potential as an individual period.
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                      "We’ll have a mix-and-match concept that hopefully will see us through.” ~Tomlin

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                      • Slapstick
                        Rookie
                        • May 2008
                        • 0

                        #12
                        Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                        Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                        Sooo,.....i guess the fact that they brought Davis in for a visit means virtually nothing ? And nor does the fact that Santo (along with half of the league) blazes up,.. yet he is not a criminal or head case ? (Are we really to believe that he just started as much when he turned pro and that the NFL whom goes over a prospect's background like the NSA was not aware?)

                        I'm just sayin,...i do not care about a prospect and Marijuana use. What i would be wary of though are players with criminal records, poor work ethic, lack of discipline and very low 'football' IQ's.
                        Santonio may have lit up, but he has never been a problem for coaches like Davis has...
                        Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                        • Oviedo
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 23824

                          #13
                          Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                          Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                          Originally posted by Oviedo
                          Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                          I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
                          .


                          And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
                          Of all the potential Round 1 picks, Harvin probably has the best chance of becoming the next "Pacman." Lots of things I hear out of Gainesville is that he is a bad time waiting to happen.

                          I feel you O. But i do not think that Harvin is the kind of cat that at the end of the day would throw away everything that he's worked his entire life for for the sake of "stunting". As he (like the rest of his peers) have most certainly witnessed what that did for Pac-man and Mike Vick.

                          I do not feel Harvin is cut from that cloth. I think he's just an extremely driven and confident kid. (Perhaps egotistical) And that rubs some people the wrong way. But i'd prefer to have confident hard working players whom want to win as opposed to the "just good enough to get by" minded individuals.

                          As WoodleyOfTroy mentioned before in a previous thread,...i agree that under the tutelage of our Coaching staff, (Tomlin in particular) and surrounded by the class of men on our roster, he would not only maximize his football potential, but his said potential as an individual period.

                          His talent is not in doubt. The most troubling thing I hear (and Mayock kinda confirmed the other night on NFL Network) is that he hangs with a "posse" of old buddies some of who are not quality indviduals. Sound familiar?????
                          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                          • SteelCzar76
                            Starter
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 655

                            #14
                            Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                            Santonio may have lit up, but he has never been a problem for coaches like Davis has...

                            Oh, i fully agree Slap. I wasn't 'cosigning' Davis,.. i was speaking up on Harvin's behalf. I want nothing to do with Davis,..not because of Marijuana use,...but his lack of work ethic in terms of willingness to apply himself to game.

                            And that's something that i think is not 'coached up' either your born with or more often than not it isn't meant to be. And i also feel he's getting a great deal more accolades than he should simply because of the average nature of this seasons entire DB class as a whole.
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                            • stlrz d
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 9244

                              #15
                              Re: One opinion of the odds on who the Steelers take.

                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Originally posted by SteelCzar76
                              I was watching a draft special on ESPN last night and they said don't be surprised if Robiskie is taken in the first round. Apparently, he's moving up and Percy Harvin is moving down
                              .


                              And i hope that Percy continues to drop,...all the way to #32. And then go on with Santonio, Hines, and Ben to punish the rest of the league for it,......
                              Of all the potential Round 1 picks, Harvin probably has the best chance of becoming the next "Pacman." Lots of things I hear out of Gainesville is that he is a bad time waiting to happen.

                              I feel you O. But i do not think that Harvin is the kind of cat that at the end of the day would throw away everything that he's worked his entire life for for the sake of "stunting". As he (like the rest of his peers) have most certainly witnessed what that did for Pac-man and Mike Vick.

                              I do not feel Harvin is cut from that cloth. I think he's just an extremely driven and confident kid. (Perhaps egotistical) And that rubs some people the wrong way. But i'd prefer to have confident hard working players whom want to win as opposed to the "just good enough to get by" minded individuals.

                              As WoodleyOfTroy mentioned before in a previous thread,...i agree that under the tutelage of our Coaching staff, (Tomlin in particular) and surrounded by the class of men on our roster, he would not only maximize his football potential, but his said potential as an individual period.

                              His talent is not in doubt. The most troubling thing I hear (and Mayock kinda confirmed the other night on NFL Network) is that he hangs with a "posse" of old buddies some of who are not quality indviduals. Sound familiar?????
                              Like I said, I hope some other team takes him long before 1.32.

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