Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

[stlrz d]

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Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Posted twice,..

[grotonsteel]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Drew Brees and Noddle Arms Rivers are elite???

Again Drew Brees is the reason Saints sucked at away games...he was horrible..and Rivers had one good season. How can they be elite?

what's the criteria for being elite...

[SteelCzar76]

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what's the criteria for being elite...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency, leadership skills, will and mental dexterity to go along with the physical abilities to "throw" the football.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Drew Brees and Noddle Arms Rivers are elite???

Again Drew Brees is the reason Saints sucked at away games...he was horrible..and Rivers had one good season. How can they be elite?

what's the criteria for being elite...

Apparently not Super Bowl rings.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

what's the criteria for being elite...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency, leadership skills, will and mental dexterity to go along with the physical abilities to "throw" the football.

Which of those skills does Rivers rank above Roethlisberger in your mind? Just curious...

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Apparently not Super Bowl rings.

Lol,...I'm speaking of how one stacks up against their peers in terms of producing at their said position. Not just being fortunate enough to play upon one of the better teams in the league. (Note: Last minute drives because one hasn't produced for the games entirety prior to said drives, and because there is a exceptional defense to keep the opposition's scoring within a range so as to make it possible,..does not make one elite)

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

what's the criteria for being elite...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency, leadership skills, will and mental dexterity to go along with the physical abilities to "throw" the football.

Which of those skills does Rivers rank above Roethlisberger in your mind? Just curious...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency. And do i really have to mention "stats" ? Ben does however hold the edge in terms of Intangibles,...at times as though he has the "favor of the Gods"

[Djfan]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Wow.

I can hardly wait until a good OC is leading Ben.

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Apparently not Super Bowl rings.

Lol,...I'm speaking of how one stacks up against their peers in terms of producing at their said position. Not just being fortunate enough to play upon one of the better teams in the league. (Note: Last minute drives because one hasn't produced for the games entirety prior to said drives, and because there is a exceptional defense to keep the opposition's scoring within a range so as to make it possible,..does not make one elite)

Not that I didn't already know, but I can't remember how many times I watched a game where the announcer came away saying that Ben just has that "it" factor. It has nothing to do which team he plays for. He'd be carrying that "it" anywhere.

And how many times does someone have to remind you that the Steelers have always had a good defense, but couldn't win the Super Bowl?

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

Were you happy when Ben threw that game winning TD to Holmes or were you pissed you couldn't come on the boards with the "I told you so's"?

[grotonsteel]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Apparently not Super Bowl rings.

Lol,...I'm speaking of how one stacks up against their peers in terms of producing at their said position. Not just being fortunate enough to play upon one of the better teams in the league. (Note: Last minute drives because one hasn't produced for the games entirety prior to said drives, and because there is a exceptional defense to keep the opposition's scoring within a range so as to make it possible,..does not make one elite)

Not that I didn't already know, but I can't remember how many times I watched a game where the announcer came away saying that Ben just has that "it" factor. It has nothing to do which team he plays for. He'd be carrying that "it" anywhere.

And how many times does someone have to remind you that the Steelers have always had a good defense, but couldn't win the Super Bowl?

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

Were you happy when Ben threw that game winning TD to Holmes or were you pissed you couldn't come on the boards with the "I told you so's"?

$$$$$$ POST............

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

what's the criteria for being elite...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency, leadership skills, will and mental dexterity to go along with the physical abilities to "throw" the football.

Which of those skills does Rivers rank above Roethlisberger in your mind? Just curious...

Accuracy, Intelligence, consistency. And do i really have to mention "stats" ? Ben does however hold the edge in terms of Intangibles,...at times as though he has the "favor of the Gods"

I would think that Rivers has the favor of the Gods. His first year as a starter, San Diego sent 10 players to the Pro Bowl. The next season it was 8. Last season it was 2. In those same 3 season, the Steelers have sent 4, 6, and 3 players to the Pro Bowl. Yet, with so many more All-Stars surrounding him, Philip Rivers hasn't won anything of significance (other than division championships in the pitiful AFC West).

Accuracy? Rivers has a career 62.3 completion percentage. Ben's is 62.4.

Stats? Phil had a great year this past season, throwing 34 TD's and 11 INT's. Don't forget that Ben threw 32 TD's and 11 INT's the season before that.

Intelligence? I've seen Rivers completely blow his top and yell at both teammates as well as fans during a game (?!?!). Other than disclosing an injury or two that he may or may not have had after the fact, Ben is smart enough to keep his mouth shut and support his teammates and coaches like a true leader should. That is intelligent to me. And that is a big reason why he wins.

[feltdizz]

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I used to be a "Ben hater".... not really but you know, I was the typical Steeler fan who wanted perfection and bashed him for "holding the ball too long" and taking hits...

but after this postseason only a damn fool would doubt Ben. Sure we can critique him and dissect his game, we are fans, this is what we do. However anyone talking about what Ben can't do and comparing him to QB's who can't get it done in the clutch is a fool.

What is the point of stats and 3 quarters of great QB play if he can't get it done in the 4th?

What is the point of giving all the credit to the Steeler D if we went 25 years without a SB with just average QB's and great D's and won 2 with Ben in 5 years with 2 different head coaches?

What is the point of gushing over QB's who are watching Ben perform miracles on their couch?

I really wish I could be a fly on the wall when Ben threw that TD pass to win the SB while his detractors cheered for everyone but him...

at some point those who doubt Ben must realize they might as well tell Steeler fans the sky isn't blue.. rain isn't wet.. and Pittsburgh only has 2 rivers and was known for making paper back in the early 1900's..

who would really want a great QB who can't win over a decent "game manager" who can't lose? Anyone who would take Peyton manning over Ben in the playoffs is attracted to losing.

Anyone who thinks Ben is average but Brees Rivers Manning and Cutler are elite want to be victims and blame refs.. defenses.. wind, rain and overtime coin tosses..LOL!

Ben is the best QB in the NFL right now.. because winning is all that matters..

[SteelCzar76]

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Were you happy when Ben threw that game winning TD to Holmes or were you pissed you couldn't come on the boards with the "I told you so's"?

Really Wood ? Your missing my point which is, was and will always remain the same,....If your Boy would play for even 75% of a game the way he does in the final 2 minutes we would not need heroics to barely get by anyone,..we'd be dominant and he would be Elite.

As things stand now the latter is not the case. He's a good kid with potential,..but he has a poor work ethic and i'm not sure that he really has a high football IQ. These things prevent him from being the Qb that his fans would like for the world to believe that he currently is in my opinion.