Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

So Arians and the O-line which were also part of a World Championship team can be criticised for being both sloppy and inconsistent,...but it's madness to speak of Roethlisberger's own shortcomings which are exactly of the same nature ? You can't have it one baby boy. If your are going to sweep Roethlisbeger's nonsense under the rug and or make excuses for him,..do the same for the Arians and the O-LINE.

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

So Arians and the O-line which were also part of a World Championship team can be criticised for being both sloppy and inconsistent,...but it's madness to speak of Roethlisberger's own shortcomings which are exactly of the same nature ? You can't have it one baby boy. If your are going to sweep Roethlisbeger's nonsense under the rug and or make excuses for him,..do the same for the Arians and the O-LINE.

Sure they were apart, but name me one poster on any Steelers forum (there are many) that credits the Offensive Line and offensive play calling, for the Steelers making it to the playoffs, getting to the Super Bowl, and winning the game, in the light they would for Ben, besides you of course. You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

Anyway, your response makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug, because there is nothing there, why should I have to for the OL and Arians when it's obviously more obvious (not to you). No crap he holds on to the ball too long. But he also makes plays out of it. So I don't cry about it like you do, and go out of my way to put the negatives over the positives.

[Scarletfire1970]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Ever think that Ben wins in the end because Arians says, OK Ben, it's your game. I've done all I can and it ain't working. It is no surprise that Ben flurishes in the hurry up offense where he is calling his own plays. Unfortunately we can't do this the whole game. It isn't good for our defense to be on the field. The problem isn't Ben, it is lack of a strong running game. That is what is missing.

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

I too critiqued ben over the course of the last two seasons, but the numbers speak for themselves.

and I don't mean TD's or even passing %.
I mean wins
I mean AFCCG's
I mean 19 4th quarter comebacks, being fearless.

kid is money, is more "elite" than all but 2 QB's in the league right now
and thats the douchebags peyton and brady.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

So Arians and the O-line which were also part of a World Championship team can be criticised for being both sloppy and inconsistent,...but it's madness to speak of Roethlisberger's own shortcomings which are exactly of the same nature ? You can't have it one baby boy. If your are going to sweep Roethlisbeger's nonsense under the rug and or make excuses for him,..do the same for the Arians and the O-LINE.

Sure they were apart, but name me one poster on any Steelers forum (there are many) that credits the Offensive Line and offensive play calling, for the Steelers making it to the playoffs, getting to the Super Bowl, and winning the game, in the light they would for Ben, besides you of course. You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

Anyway, your response makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug, because there is nothing there, why should I have to for the OL and Arians when it's obviously more obvious (not to you). No crap he holds on to the ball too long. But he also makes plays out of it. So I don't cry about it like you do, and go out of my way to put the negatives over the positives.

My post made no sense ? But i digress and will focus upon this,.....

You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

No i rep the STEELERS organization as i have for most of my life,...not one player in particular, and therefore express undue praise for said particular player because i may feel some type of personal connection to them as a human being.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

So Arians and the O-line which were also part of a World Championship team can be criticised for being both sloppy and inconsistent,...but it's madness to speak of Roethlisberger's own shortcomings which are exactly of the same nature ? You can't have it one baby boy. If your are going to sweep Roethlisbeger's nonsense under the rug and or make excuses for him,..do the same for the Arians and the O-LINE.

Sure they were apart, but name me one poster on any Steelers forum (there are many) that credits the Offensive Line and offensive play calling, for the Steelers making it to the playoffs, getting to the Super Bowl, and winning the game, in the light they would for Ben, besides you of course. You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

Anyway, your response makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug, because there is nothing there, why should I have to for the OL and Arians when it's obviously more obvious (not to you). No crap he holds on to the ball too long. But he also makes plays out of it. So I don't cry about it like you do, and go out of my way to put the negatives over the positives.

My post made no sense ? But i digress and will focus upon this,.....

[quote:1lx2c6gh]You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

No i rep the STEELERS organization as i have for most of my life,...not one player in particular, and therefore express undue praise for said particular player because i may feel some type of personal connection to them as a human being.[/quote:1lx2c6gh]

You rep a team and not any one particular player when giving praise, but when you bring the hammer down it's not the team you rep, you bash Big Ben. Makes little to no sense.

[papillon]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Let me see if I have this correct. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and possibly Ryan are elite quarterbacks in the NFL and Ben is not. Okay, so, you're Kevin Colbert and San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, New England and Atlanta come knocking on your door and offer you their quarterback for your 2 time super bowl winning quarterback and you pull the trigger. Is that correct? I'm just trying to determine the parameters here for elite.

Pappy

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Add the fact that the run game and play calling (based on their present personel on the field) and Offensive Line, are close to an all time worse (that I've seen or am use to).

So Arians and the O-line which were also part of a World Championship team can be criticised for being both sloppy and inconsistent,...but it's madness to speak of Roethlisberger's own shortcomings which are exactly of the same nature ? You can't have it one baby boy. If your are going to sweep Roethlisbeger's nonsense under the rug and or make excuses for him,..do the same for the Arians and the O-LINE.

Sure they were apart, but name me one poster on any Steelers forum (there are many) that credits the Offensive Line and offensive play calling, for the Steelers making it to the playoffs, getting to the Super Bowl, and winning the game, in the light they would for Ben, besides you of course. You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

Anyway, your response makes no sense whatsoever. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug, because there is nothing there, why should I have to for the OL and Arians when it's obviously more obvious (not to you). No crap he holds on to the ball too long. But he also makes plays out of it. So I don't cry about it like you do, and go out of my way to put the negatives over the positives.

My post made no sense ? But i digress and will focus upon this,.....

[quote:1nm0tgx9]You're like one of those fans from another team that looks at the box score, see's Ben's stats, and automatically assumes he's still being carried by a "smashmouth" running game in Pittsburgh. Totally neglecting the football plays he makes to keep the game going.

No i rep the STEELERS organization as i have for most of my life,...not one player in particular, and therefore express undue praise for said particular player because i may feel some type of personal connection to them as a human being.

You rep a team and not any one particular player when giving praise, but when you bring the hammer down it's not the team you rep, you bash Big Ben. Makes little to no sense.[/quote:1nm0tgx9]


I do not rage against Ben,...but Ben worship. Consider it "tough love",...meaning it (undue worship) cripples this kid in terms of him becoming one of the best to ever play this game by giving him a sense of complacency.

The thought that "Hey you know what,..i can keep doing just enough to get by. As long as i make a few plays here and there,..my appalachian/rust belt people will still "get my back" even to the point of scapegoating others upon my behalf. And besides,..we're winning,..what's the harm ?"

And that would be doing not only this organization,..but his own legacy an injustice.



By the way,...like your screename. Do i know you from the crazy cougar's site ?

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Let me see if I have this correct. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and possibly Ryan are elite quarterbacks in the NFL and Ben is not. Okay, so, you're Kevin Colbert and San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, New England and Atlanta come knocking on your door and offer you their quarterback for your 2 time super bowl winning quarterback and you pull the trigger. Is that correct? I'm just trying to determine the parameters here for elite.

Pappy

As i would have in 2004,.....i would take Rivers.

[stlrz d]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Let me see if I have this correct. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and possibly Ryan are elite quarterbacks in the NFL and Ben is not. Okay, so, you're Kevin Colbert and San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, New England and Atlanta come knocking on your door and offer you their quarterback for your 2 time super bowl winning quarterback and you pull the trigger. Is that correct? I'm just trying to determine the parameters here for elite.

Pappy

As i would have in 2004,.....i would take Rivers.

Are you a Lendale White fan by chance?

Just running on a hunch. :P

[papillon]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Let me see if I have this correct. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and possibly Ryan are elite quarterbacks in the NFL and Ben is not. Okay, so, you're Kevin Colbert and San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, New England and Atlanta come knocking on your door and offer you their quarterback for your 2 time super bowl winning quarterback and you pull the trigger. Is that correct? I'm just trying to determine the parameters here for elite.

Pappy

As i would have in 2004,.....i would take Rivers.

It is now 2009 and you'd trade Ben for Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Manning or Brady? That's the question.

Pappy

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=190817

Good stuff...some of them even go so far as to say it's because Woodson is racist.

I also laugh at the "pre-determined" stuff. Woodson and Wilcots agreed on some of them so that blows their "pre-determined just to get viewers" theories.

I agree with Rod. Especially when you evaluate the fact that anyone is expendable based upon production or lack thereof in terms of their specific position.(ie: how well do you do your specific job in comparison to your peers. (as opposed to just simply being part of an exceptional overall Team/organization) This should be no different for QB's.

Though this is "fliud" because Flacco is merely a rookie and can yet evolve into an elite class at his position. But in my opinion there are 4 qb's that are elite. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees. (With Matt Ryan hard on their heals.)

Let me see if I have this correct. Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees and possibly Ryan are elite quarterbacks in the NFL and Ben is not. Okay, so, you're Kevin Colbert and San Diego, New Orleans, Indy, New England and Atlanta come knocking on your door and offer you their quarterback for your 2 time super bowl winning quarterback and you pull the trigger. Is that correct? I'm just trying to determine the parameters here for elite.

Pappy

As i would have in 2004,.....i would take Rivers.

It is now 2009 and you'd trade Ben for Rivers, Brees, Ryan, Manning or Brady? That's the question.

Pappy

Yes i would PAP. Philip with Hines, Heath, Tone and a defense coached by D@ck Lebeau anywhere within the top five,.. would not only be something that no team in the league could overcome,...but it would be hard for them to even compete against.

[papillon]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Yes i would PAP. Philip with Hines, Heath, Tone and a defense coached by D@ck Lebeau anywhere within the top five,.. would not only be something that no team in the league could overcome,...but it would be hard for them to even compete against.

So, the 9 pro bowlers he (Rivers) played with a couple years ago weren't enough, but Hines (not a pro bowler this year), Heath (not a pro bowler this year) and Santonio (not a pro bowler this year) would make Rivers unstoppable? What about the other QBs you listed? Would you trade Ben right now for them?

Pappy

[NKySteeler]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Gotta hate the off-season.... Dillusional attitudes are all over the place...

[stlrz d]

Re: Rats fans upset because Woodson says Flacco is tradable

Wow. Just wow....