Pat White's pro Day ?

[steelcityrules!!]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Name a barely 6'0, 195 lb #1 NFL QB.

Not Troy Smith...

Heck I struggle to think of anyone but Rex Grossman who is less than 2 1/2 inches taller and 25 lbs heavier than White who is a good/average NFL QB.

Maybe Tyler Thigpen who was OK in KC this last year...out of the shotgun...but he's not an NFL starter now either.

Compare him to Michael Vick? Not the most flattering comparison since Vick sucked as a QB.

If anything Pat White, at strictly QB, is like Seneca Wallace, Troy Smith, or D.J. Shockley in the NFL. How many of those guys are successful #1 starters?

ever hear of drew brees?
he's 6' nothin.
jeff garcia is 6' 1"

both are about 7-10lbs heavier than pat and waaaay slower.
Vick wasn't the best passer in the league, but he was dangerous. Thats why I said white was a MUCH better passer.

also, pat white is young and hasn't filled out yet. he'll put on weight.
comparing pat white to seneca wallace, or DJ shockley is really funny.

[SteelCzar76]

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If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

Oh no Fla,... i have always been correct in the fact that Coach Lebeau remains the truth. Coach Cowher embodied determination,..until his passion for the game,...was finished. And the entire roster (Inluding Tomlin's ability to mamximize the abilities of his troops) is and was far more responsible for our most recent World titles than your boy Roethlisberger.

If he (Ben) was the QB that you and his groupies/sheeple would like for everyone to believe that he is,...i would surely admit as much,...but when i am aware that "that's that Bullsh@t",....i will be just as forthright at that point. (Stand for something,...or fall for relatively anything) LOL

[WoodleyofTroy]

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If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

Oh no Fla,... i have always been correct in the fact that Coach Lebeau remains the truth. Coach Cowher embodied determination,..until his passion for the game,...was finished. And the entire roster (Inluding Tomlin's ability to mamximize the abilities of his troops) is and was far more responsible for our most recent World titles than your boy Roethlisberger.

If he (Ben) was the QB that you and his groupies/sheeple would like for everyone to believe that he is,...i would surely admit as much,...but when i am aware that "that's that Bullsh@t",....i will be just as forthright at that point. (Stand for something,...or fall for relatively anything) LOL

So what exactly are you doing during the part of the game where Ben leads this team to a win on the final drive? It's happened 18 times...

If you can name me one Game Manager that is/was capable of that, your credibility on this topic will jump from 0 percent to maybe point 6.

[BigBen2112]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Name a barely 6'0, 195 lb #1 NFL QB.

Not Troy Smith...

Heck I struggle to think of anyone but Rex Grossman who is less than 2 1/2 inches taller and 25 lbs heavier than White who is a good/average NFL QB.

Maybe Tyler Thigpen who was OK in KC this last year...out of the shotgun...but he's not an NFL starter now either.

Compare him to Michael Vick? Not the most flattering comparison since Vick sucked as a QB.

If anything Pat White, at strictly QB, is like Seneca Wallace, Troy Smith, or D.J. Shockley in the NFL. How many of those guys are successful #1 starters?

ever hear of drew brees?
he's 6' nothin.
jeff garcia is 6' 1"

both are about 7-10lbs heavier than pat and waaaay slower.
Vick wasn't the best passer in the league, but he was dangerous. Thats why I said white was a MUCH better passer.

also, pat white is young and hasn't filled out yet. he'll put on weight.
comparing pat white to seneca wallace, or DJ shockley is really funny.

What's funny is you comparing Pat White to Drew Brees...1026 completions, 11792 yards, and 90 TDs in a much better conference (Big 10). Brees had 2 games of 500 yards, 7 games of 400 yards, and 16 games of 300 yards or better...and 27 games of over 250 yards...furthermore, while you call him slow, he still rushed for 900 yards and 14 TDs. So if you're keeping track at home fellas...that's 12692 yards and 104 TDs.

Pat White? Still comes up over 200 yards shy...and still doesn't have as many TDs as Brees...and Pat White was a runner. He has 1 game of 300 yards and none others above 250. Tell me again how he's equal to Drew Brees as a QB!

Yes, I figure that you were just answering the question about the size...but since you thought it was so funny about Shockley (more passing yards and TDs in his one year as a starter than Pat White ever had in a single year) I thought I'd show how much superior Drew Brees is to Pat White.

I have never seen homerism this bad. Pat White has 40% of his yards and almost 50% of his TDs rushing...and somehow that equates to a #1 QB in the NFL? Certainly White is a better college player than Wallace or Shockley (although again Shockley only started 1 year and put up better numbers in a much tougher conference)...but his outlook for the pros is probably similar as a QB. And about the whole Michael Vick thing...I mean lets get real here...Michael Vick was as much a glorified runningback playing the position of QB as White would be...except White would look a little better throwing the football...a more superior Ronnie Brown for the wildcat?

Furthermore, if you really want to get down to it...a guy like Michael Robinson or Brad Smith was more ready for the NFL role they were likely to play than Pat White is. Brad Smith actually did have 3 receptions for 41 yards in his career...Robinson had 33 receptions for 485 yards and 3 TDs.

Pat White might be a good NFL player in terms of running the wild-cat or something like that, but you cant project him to play WR without ever having actually seen him make catches...and that's something that someone obviously is unwilling to do. He's not a #1 QB in the NFL as he stands now...Im sorry.

[BigBen2112]

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If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

Oh no Fla,... i have always been correct in the fact that Coach Lebeau remains the truth. Coach Cowher embodied determination,..until his passion for the game,...was finished. And the entire roster (Inluding Tomlin's ability to mamximize the abilities of his troops) is and was far more responsible for our most recent World titles than your boy Roethlisberger.

If he (Ben) was the QB that you and his groupies/sheeple would like for everyone to believe that he is,...i would surely admit as much,...but when i am aware that "that's that Bullsh@t",....i will be just as forthright at that point. (Stand for something,...or fall for relatively anything) LOL

Gotta love Matt Leinart...he played at USC!!!!!! Look at him and his 14 TDs and 17 INTs...friggin FABULOUS!

And about your crap about OSU wanting Ben to play TE...Rich Gannon was asked to play WR...he ended up throwing for over 28,000 yards. Coaches aren't always the smartest...and what OSU QB is currently starting in the NFL?! That all amazing Troy Smith? Or what about...umm....yeah.

[Flasteel]

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If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

Oh no Fla,... i have always been correct in the fact that Coach Lebeau remains the truth. Coach Cowher embodied determination,..until his passion for the game,...was finished. And the entire roster (Inluding Tomlin's ability to mamximize the abilities of his troops) is and was far more responsible for our most recent World titles than your boy Roethlisberger.

If he (Ben) was the QB that you and his groupies/sheeple would like for everyone to believe that he is,...i would surely admit as much,...but when i am aware that "that's that Bullsh@t",....i will be just as forthright at that point. (Stand for something,...or fall for relatively anything) LOL

Gotta love Matt Leinart...he played at USC!!!!!! Look at him and his 14 TDs and 17 INTs...friggin FABULOUS!

And about your crap about OSU wanting Ben to play TE...Rich Gannon was asked to play WR...he ended up throwing for over 28,000 yards. Coaches aren't always the smartest...and what OSU QB is currently starting in the NFL?! That all amazing Troy Smith? Or what about...umm....yeah.

Let's not forget that Roethlisberger only started at quarterback for his senior season in high school due to a little nepotism. I'd say that had a little to do with his lack of college recruitment.

Funny how long this thread has continued for so long when the two basic points of debate are both absurd.
1. We should draft Pat White with a premium pick.
2. Ben Roethlisberger is nothing more than a glorified game manager.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but holy crap. Some of you guys are just flat-out (WVU) homers or (Ben) haters.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

Oh no Fla,... i have always been correct in the fact that Coach Lebeau remains the truth. Coach Cowher embodied determination,..until his passion for the game,...was finished. And the entire roster (Inluding Tomlin's ability to mamximize the abilities of his troops) is and was far more responsible for our most recent World titles than your boy Roethlisberger.

If he (Ben) was the QB that you and his groupies/sheeple would like for everyone to believe that he is,...i would surely admit as much,...but when i am aware that "that's that Bullsh@t",....i will be just as forthright at that point. (Stand for something,...or fall for relatively anything) LOL

Can you tell me why was Cowher not able to win a single SB till Big Ben arrived?? Steelers had great D in 90s under Coach Cowher still they struggled to win the SB. Can you tell me why Steelers were not able to win a SB in 26 years.

I think people like you might be praying for his failure or cheer whenever he throws INT...

Big Ben was the Steelers Offense last season..period

You are saying Drew Brees is better than Big Ben..can you tell me how did Drew played in AWAY games??

[grotonsteel]

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I think it will be the biggest blunder Steelers would make if they draft Pat White in Rd 2.

Steelers have more need in the trenches and CB/WR. I would be disappointed if they don't take atleast 2 OL in first 4 RD.

[Jooser]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

How does a thread about Pat White's Pro Day Workout equate to being a Ben hater? Holy cow! This whole thread is becoming absurd. I can't justify a second rounder on White, but I can't say that he'd be a wasted pick later either. Just chill guys. Pat White is a great athlete and noone can knock that or be called a WVU homer for liking him. Ben is our QB - end of story. Why is it so offensive to some though, to discuss Pat White? This young man is a stellar athlete, but he shouldn't be such a polarizing figure here on this board. He's not going to replace BB, so zip up your piss markers and look at what a guy like Pat COULD bring to the 'Burgh. Pat White wasn't the most productive passer in the NCAA, that's a given. He also played in a program that ran the HELL out of him all the time. People who say he cannot pass are not quite on the mark though. He never had any decent WRs in his career at WVU. Instead, he had basically RBs lined up at flanker who he was expected to throw bubble screens and quick outs to. So, I can't blame him totally for his lack of pass production. Did he throw bad passes from time to time? Sure he did. Don't they all?

I just think that Pat White has yet to show all that he has, given what program he came from. Noone ever wanted to let him play QB at the DivI level, but you know what? He won two BCS games as the starter. So, I don't know. I think that some of you nay-sayers who want to look solely at stats should take a page out of BB book on winning football games. Pat White has that same grit that Ben has, and noone wants to give him any credit, the same way Ben is somehow not an 'elite' NFL qb to some. As for the homer talk, that's just starting to stink, so move on.....

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

How does a thread about Pat White's Pro Day Workout equate to being a Ben hater? Holy cow! This whole thread is becoming absurd. I can't justify a second rounder on White, but I can't say that he'd be a wasted pick later either. Just chill guys. Pat White is a great athlete and noone can knock that or be called a WVU homer for liking him. Ben is our QB - end of story. Why is it so offensive to some though, to discuss Pat White? This young man is a stellar athlete, but he shouldn't be such a polarizing figure here on this board. He's not going to replace BB, so zip up your piss markers and look at what a guy like Pat COULD bring to the 'Burgh. Pat White wasn't the most productive passer in the NCAA, that's a given. He also played in a program that ran the HELL out of him all the time. People who say he cannot pass are not quite on the mark though. He never had any decent WRs in his career at WVU. Instead, he had basically RBs lined up at flanker who he was expected to throw bubble screens and quick outs to. So, I can't blame him totally for his lack of pass production. Did he throw bad passes from time to time? Sure he did. Don't they all?

I just think that Pat White has yet to show all that he has, given what program he came from. Noone ever wanted to let him play QB at the DivI level, but you know what? He won two BCS games as the starter. So, I don't know. I think that some of you nay-sayers who want to look solely at stats should take a page out of BB book on winning football games. Pat White has that same grit that Ben has, and noone wants to give him any credit, the same way Ben is somehow not an 'elite' NFL qb to some. As for the homer talk, that's just starting to stink, so move on.....

I think FlaSteel's "Ben Hater" comment was aimed at one particular poster (czar) who still thinks Ben is nothing more than a game manager in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary.

[Flasteel]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

How does a thread about Pat White's Pro Day Workout equate to being a Ben hater? Holy cow! This whole thread is becoming absurd. I can't justify a second rounder on White, but I can't say that he'd be a wasted pick later either. Just chill guys. Pat White is a great athlete and noone can knock that or be called a WVU homer for liking him. Ben is our QB - end of story. Why is it so offensive to some though, to discuss Pat White? This young man is a stellar athlete, but he shouldn't be such a polarizing figure here on this board. He's not going to replace BB, so zip up your piss markers and look at what a guy like Pat COULD bring to the 'Burgh. Pat White wasn't the most productive passer in the NCAA, that's a given. He also played in a program that ran the HELL out of him all the time. People who say he cannot pass are not quite on the mark though. He never had any decent WRs in his career at WVU. Instead, he had basically RBs lined up at flanker who he was expected to throw bubble screens and quick outs to. So, I can't blame him totally for his lack of pass production. Did he throw bad passes from time to time? Sure he did. Don't they all?

I just think that Pat White has yet to show all that he has, given what program he came from. Noone ever wanted to let him play QB at the DivI level, but you know what? He won two BCS games as the starter. So, I don't know. I think that some of you nay-sayers who want to look solely at stats should take a page out of BB book on winning football games. Pat White has that same grit that Ben has, and noone wants to give him any credit, the same way Ben is somehow not an 'elite' NFL qb to some. As for the homer talk, that's just starting to stink, so move on.....

I think FlaSteel's "Ben Hater" comment was aimed at one particular poster (czar) who still thinks Ben is nothing more than a game manager in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary.

Exactly brother. I try not to make a habit of calling folks out for their opinions and Czar seems like an otherwise rational dude, but dayum.

I'm also not trying to say that Pat White isn't a good quarterback or was maybe even a great one at the collegiate level. I'm just saying that we are obviously set with our starter and and have a nice mix of veterans and a young guy with potential in Dixon. You cannot make a sound argument for us burning a high pick on White...period.

[WoodleyofTroy]

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What I got out of this thread.

Ben is a bust at Quarterback and Pat White is the next Joe Montana, in which the Lions who are trying to find an identity, would be stupid to take a potential Franchise caller like Matt Stafford, with White soon to be winning Super Bowls.

Great stuff.

[SteelCzar76]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

How does a thread about Pat White's Pro Day Workout equate to being a Ben hater? Holy cow! This whole thread is becoming absurd. I can't justify a second rounder on White, but I can't say that he'd be a wasted pick later either. Just chill guys. Pat White is a great athlete and noone can knock that or be called a WVU homer for liking him. Ben is our QB - end of story. Why is it so offensive to some though, to discuss Pat White? This young man is a stellar athlete, but he shouldn't be such a polarizing figure here on this board. He's not going to replace BB, so zip up your piss markers and look at what a guy like Pat COULD bring to the 'Burgh. Pat White wasn't the most productive passer in the NCAA, that's a given. He also played in a program that ran the HELL out of him all the time. People who say he cannot pass are not quite on the mark though. He never had any decent WRs in his career at WVU. Instead, he had basically RBs lined up at flanker who he was expected to throw bubble screens and quick outs to. So, I can't blame him totally for his lack of pass production. Did he throw bad passes from time to time? Sure he did. Don't they all?

I just think that Pat White has yet to show all that he has, given what program he came from. Noone ever wanted to let him play QB at the DivI level, but you know what? He won two BCS games as the starter. So, I don't know. I think that some of you nay-sayers who want to look solely at stats should take a page out of BB book on winning football games. Pat White has that same grit that Ben has, and noone wants to give him any credit, the same way Ben is somehow not an 'elite' NFL qb to some. As for the homer talk, that's just starting to stink, so move on.....

I think FlaSteel's "Ben Hater" comment was aimed at one particular poster (czar) who still thinks Ben is nothing more than a game manager in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary.

Exactly brother. I try not to make a habit of calling folks out for their opinions and Czar seems like an otherwise rational dude, but dayum.

I'm also not trying to say that Pat White isn't a good quarterback or was maybe even a great one at the collegiate level. I'm just saying that we are obviously set with our starter and and have a nice mix of veterans and a young guy with potential in Dixon. You cannot make a sound argument for us burning a high pick on White...period.

In in reality Fla,...i'm not saying that Ben is a "Bum". But after years of Mark Malone, Bubby Brister, Odonnell killing us against the Cowgirls, and most of all Kordell killing us in every big game,...perhaps i'm just i bit jaded in terms of our QBs.

Now Roethlisberger admittedly is a step above all of the aforementioned cats,..but i would just like to see him become more consistent, so that we don't need late heroics to pull out victories and in essence become as "Dominant" on the offensive side of the ball as we are on Defense.

I would like to see him become more dedicated to film study, practice and an offseason regiment that would actually allow him to become the Qb that those whom are his Fans believe him to be at this very moment. And with that said,..i'm done with the topic,...we all know where we stand.

And in regards to Pat White,....i still feel as though he would be very worthwhile selection for the team, no matter where we select him. My reasoning being,..as i mentioned before,...we are not "rebuilding" and have the liberty of selecting some "impact" players this year. That may sound a bit too "sexy" to those of the Nation whom are for the most part obsessed with addressing the "trenches" on the offensive side of the ball. But,....it's where i stand.

[NKySteeler]

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I'm also not trying to say that Pat White isn't a good quarterback or was maybe even a great one at the collegiate level. I'm just saying that we are obviously set with our starter and and have a nice mix of veterans and a young guy with potential in Dixon. You cannot make a sound argument for us burning a high pick on White...period.

While White had success on the collegiate level, I do not think he will have the same on the pro level. Sorry, but I don't... There have been plenty of kids that had ability and strengths and didn't make it on the next level. I think White fits into this category.

His best bet would be to become a "slash-type" player, a WR that can return kicks, or just hope not to be cut by whoever drafts him. Either way, I see it this way:

1. We don't need a qb. We are set in that department.

2. We could use some depth at WR, but he doesn't have the experience to fill this role.

3. We probably could use a return man (Santonio makes me nervous, and he probably shouldn't be doing it), but again he doesn't have the experience to draft him for that either.

.... IMHO, it would be a mistake to burn an "upper level" pick on him.

[eniparadoxgma]

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