Pat White's pro Day ?

[calmkiller]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White is a winner plain and simple. All he did was win for FOUR seasons. Before Dixons last year I had never heard of him, honestly. Maybe it was just me ignoring the horrible jersey's they wear but Pat did nothing but win. That is the best quality in a QB I could ask for.

And why does it have to be White that plays WR. Why not make him the Back up QB and turn Dixon into the WR. It works both ways.

[WoodleyofTroy]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White is a winner plain and simple. All he did was win for FOUR seasons. Before Dixons last year I had never heard of him, honestly. Maybe it was just me ignoring the horrible jersey's they wear but Pat did nothing but win. That is the best quality in a QB I could ask for.

And why does it have to be White that plays WR. Why not make him the Back up QB and turn Dixon into the WR. It works both ways.

Because we don't need a 2nd/3rd round QB. That's why. I officially say "next" to Pat White.

As for Dixon. I'd compare him exactly to Pat White in terms of production, talent, and the ability just to win, in College.

[BigBen2112]

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Hmmmm......

Tomlin being there means the interest must be genuine....

Do the Steelers take him? And if yes- where?

I'd say in the second after striking nearly the same deal we did to move up for Troy to snag Rey-Rey (Maualuga) in the 1st as Potsie's heir apparent. Because we'd still have the comp pick in the 3rd with which we could take Victor Harris. And then finish off the Draft with OG/OT Cornelius lewis of Tenn State and DT/DE Zach Potter of NE.(Or Rulon Davis of Cal in place of Potter)

I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency would hate for this to unfold as they want at least 3 O-lineman this year,....but i think these players would compliment our current roster quite well. (As we are not "rebuilding")

But hey,..that's just my opinion,....

The Roethlisberger enablers? Just what are any of us supposedly enabling him to do? Lead us to two championships in four years?

Good God Czar, it's one thing to admit that Ben has room for growth, but if you don't believe that he's among the top three or four quarterbacks in the league then you need to step away from the pipe. Our line did play better down the stretch but don't discount their poor pass protection over the past couple of seasons or the fact that we have ignored both lines at the top of the draft this entire friggin' millenium.

Burning a second round pick on a back-up quarterback is retarded enough to begin with. Considering we have Dixon and apparently will be once again choosing between Batch and Lefty...well what's worse than retarded?

If the guy had proven himself to be a multi-dimensional threat or could return punts, you could sell me on the idea. Since that is clearly not the case, there is no way I'd be happy with selecting him anywhere near the top of the draft.

Exactly.

[Flasteel]

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Pat White is a winner plain and simple. All he did was win for FOUR seasons. Before Dixons last year I had never heard of him, honestly. Maybe it was just me ignoring the horrible jersey's they wear but Pat did nothing but win. That is the best quality in a QB I could ask for.

And why does it have to be White that plays WR. Why not make him the Back up QB and turn Dixon into the WR. It works both ways.

Hey CK, you're the one who's got him listed as a slash in your wish list.

I'm not doubting he's a winner or a solid quarterback, but we already have not just a proven winner at the position, but the winningest all-time quarterback in league history after five years. We have no need to upgrade the position right now and there is a big-time need to address the trenches. It would be a serious travesty in my opinion.

[calmkiller]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White is a winner plain and simple. All he did was win for FOUR seasons. Before Dixons last year I had never heard of him, honestly. Maybe it was just me ignoring the horrible jersey's they wear but Pat did nothing but win. That is the best quality in a QB I could ask for.

And why does it have to be White that plays WR. Why not make him the Back up QB and turn Dixon into the WR. It works both ways.

Hey CK, you're the one who's got him listed as a slash in your wish list.

I'm not doubting he's a winner or a solid quarterback, but we already have not just a proven winner at the position, but the winningest all-time quarterback in league history after five years. We have no need to upgrade the position right now and there is a big-time need to address the trenches. It would be a serious travesty in my opinion.

I fully agree. I wanna see us go OL DL OL DL DL WR CB FB. I was arguing for argument sake. Defending Pat White for his ability. I will admit that taking him is a pipe dream of mine and Dixon is player in the same mold as Pat. But I personally would take Pat over Dixon any day. No one will be able to change my mind on that point. But that isn't really the point here. I just wanted to bring up other points.

[Oviedo]

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Nevermind,....just saw coach Tomlin there on NFL network.

why would we take Pat White? Seriously... he is decent but we have Dixon and I just don't see where he fits...

He is fast as hell but is he going to play a slash role or straight QB?

He has the tremendous athletic ability, heart and mental makeup to play receiver,....but he also has the added dimension of actually being a considerable threat as a passer.

Whereas Dixon is simply just relatively athletic with very sub par ability in terms of throwing the football and or playing the position of QB.

Where do you get your information?

Dixon's completion percentage was just as good as Whites with a similar amount of passes attempted...and actually more per season on average as a starter. Their yards per pass attempt are nearly identical...and Dennis Dixon has better overall size and similar arm-strength. Oh and who played against better competition?

I have no problem with people talking about selecting Pat White but...good god. Dennis Dixon was a 5th round pick and you want to take White in the 2nd never having seen him actually play WR...but you say that he has the makeup to play WR.

Dang.

Agree 100%. Dixon was every bit the QB that White is. If not for injury Dixon was on his way to being a finalist for the Heisman.

White wants to play QB because he knows the $$$ there are bigger than WR but all he is doing is setting himself up to be a career back up.

I agree it was pretty bush league to have all those coaches and scouts there believing they would see you run routes only to at the last minute say you wouldn't and then try to spin it after the workout. Unless the Steelers hear White himself say I'm willing to be a WR then I don't want them to touch him. Last thing we need is someone who has an "attitude" because he thinks he isn't being given a chance.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Hmmmm......

Tomlin being there means the interest must be genuine....

Do the Steelers take him? And if yes- where?

I'd say in the second after striking nearly the same deal we did to move up for Troy to snag Rey-Rey (Maualuga) in the 1st as Potsie's heir apparent. Because we'd still have the comp pick in the 3rd with which we could take Victor Harris. And then finish off the Draft with OG/OT Cornelius lewis of Tenn State and DT/DE Zach Potter of NE.(Or Rulon Davis of Cal in place of Potter)

I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency would hate for this to unfold as they want at least 3 O-lineman this year,....but i think these players would compliment our current roster quite well. (As we are not "rebuilding")

But hey,..that's just my opinion,....

The Roethlisberger enablers? Just what are any of us supposedly enabling him to do? Lead us to two championships in four years?

Good God Czar, it's one thing to admit that Ben has room for growth, but if you don't believe that he's among the top three or four quarterbacks in the league then you need to step away from the pipe. Our line did play better down the stretch but don't discount their poor pass protection over the past couple of seasons or the fact that we have ignored both lines at the top of the draft this entire friggin' millenium.

Burning a second round pick on a back-up quarterback is retarded enough to begin with. Considering we have Dixon and apparently will be once again choosing between Batch and Lefty...well what's worse than retarded?

If the guy had proven himself to be a multi-dimensional threat or could return punts, you could sell me on the idea. Since that is clearly not the case, there is no way I'd be happy with selecting him anywhere near the top of the draft.

It took a long time for someone to respond to that drivel. Thank you, fla, for stepping up. Just goes to show that Roethlisberger haters will always be that, no matter not many championships he wins. But I am not going to turn this thread into this Ben pissing match. As for Pat white, I would love to be able to draft an athlete like him, but I fear that we would be overpayign for him by movign up top the secodn round to get him with no intention of using him as a QB.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency

Are these "enablers" the same people who held FWP to 3.8 YPC and 72 rushing yards per game, or are they the ones who sacked Ben around 100 times the past two years?

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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Doesn't WV have anyone else who the Steelers could have been scouting? I'm sure they have plenty of prospects who worked out who could help us elsewhere. Just because Coach Tomlin took a short trip to WV does not necassarily mean that we were checking out Pat White only.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Doesn't WV have anyone else who the Steelers could have been scouting? I'm sure they have plenty of prospects who worked out who could help us elsewhere. Just because Coach Tomlin took a short trip to WV does not necassarily mean that we were checking out Pat White only.

Yeah, last year when he went down to WVU, I got all excited that they may truly be interested in Owen Schmitt. Instead, they drafted Ryan Mundy.

[calmkiller]

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Ellis Lankster, CB played in the Senior Bowl with Pat. Had an interception. He was a punt/kick returner for WVU. He wasn't invited to the combine. Had a brush with the law in the past for....stealing a laptop I believe. That should mark him off the Steelers list I would think.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/greg-isdaner?id=79581#player-profile-tab-set-1layer-profile-tab-analysis]Greg Isdaner[/url], G 6'4 325 His career at WVU took off like gangbusters, as he started immediately and earned Freshman All-American honors at left guard. He was then named first-team All-Big East in his sophomore season. Being left off the all-conference squad as a junior was more a reflection of West Virginia's inconsistent season than his play. During his three seasons in Morgantown, Isdaner proved himself to have enough athleticism and strength to eventually be an NFL starter. Had an arm span of 32 1/2 inches and a hand span of 9 3/4 inches at the combine.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mortty-ivy?id=71339#player-profile-tab-set-1layer-profile-tab-analysis]Mortty Ivy[/url], LB 6'1 248 After biding his time behind very good West Virginia linebackers and recovering from a torn ACL suffered in 2006 spring practice, Ivy stood out as a two-year starter. The 2008 first-team All-Big East selection made 179 tackles, 18 for loss, and four interceptions over the past two seasons. His strength near the line of scrimmage and ability in coverage make him a strong-side linebacker prospect.

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Ellis Lankster, CB played in the Senior Bowl with Pat. Had an interception. He was a punt/kick returner for WVU. He wasn't invited to the combine. Had a brush with the law in the past for....stealing a laptop I believe. That should mark him off the Steelers list I would think.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/greg-isdaner?id=79581#player-profile-tab-set-1layer-profile-tab-analysis]Greg Isdaner[/url], G 6'4 325 His career at WVU took off like gangbusters, as he started immediately and earned Freshman All-American honors at left guard. He was then named first-team All-Big East in his sophomore season. Being left off the all-conference squad as a junior was more a reflection of West Virginia's inconsistent season than his play. During his three seasons in Morgantown, Isdaner proved himself to have enough athleticism and strength to eventually be an NFL starter. Had an arm span of 32 1/2 inches and a hand span of 9 3/4 inches at the combine.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mortty-ivy?id=71339#player-profile-tab-set-1layer-profile-tab-analysis]Mortty Ivy[/url], LB 6'1 248 After biding his time behind very good West Virginia linebackers and recovering from a torn ACL suffered in 2006 spring practice, Ivy stood out as a two-year starter. The 2008 first-team All-Big East selection made 179 tackles, 18 for loss, and four interceptions over the past two seasons. His strength near the line of scrimmage and ability in coverage make him a strong-side linebacker prospect.

Also mentioned in another article I read that the Steelers might be looking at Ryan Stanchek who plays Tackle as a possible late round draft pick.

Ryan Stanchek, West Virginia
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
Projected Round (2009): 6.
1/6/09: An All-Big East first-teamer, Ryan Stanchek finished his West Virginia career with 48 consecutive starts.

[pfelix73]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

I think this sums it up:

Pat White, the WR is a good middle round pick up
Pat White, the QB would be a wasted draft pick

As correctly pointed out Dixon is White with one year Pro experience under his belt.

[calmkiller]

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Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

See for shear sake of arguement, That is like saying we already have Jeff Hartings on the team, his name is Mahan. He is the same type of player but he is NOT Pat White. My point is to a WVU fan you can't make the comparison. Pat White is the Jerry West of football in WV.

Not saying they aren't the same type of player. Just you will not convince 1 mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than White. That what I am trying to say.