Pat White's pro Day ?

**Oviedo** · 03-13-2009, 02:47 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Perhaps we are all missing the most obvious reason for him not running routes at the combine and his Pro Day---he just isn't that good a receiver.

We look at the athletic ability and assume he can catch to the level required in the NFL. Maybe he can't and he and his agent both know it so they are spinning it as his desire to be a QB versus he may not have the potential to be that good a receiver.

There are lots of Olympic caliber track stars who couldn't be a receiver in the NFL. Maybe we should add White to that category.

**BigBen2112** · 03-13-2009, 02:49 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Originally posted by Oviedo

Perhaps we are all missing the most obvious reason for him not running routes at the combine and his Pro Day---he just isn't that good a receiver.

We look at the athletic ability and assume he can catch to the level required in the NFL. Maybe he can't and he and his agent both know it so they are spinning it as his desire to be a QB versus he may not have the potential to be that good a receiver.

There are lots of Olympic caliber track stars who couldn't be a receiver in the NFL. Maybe we should add White to that category.

Its quite possible...that's why I asked earlier in this thread who has actually SEEN him play WR and know he can do it?

**Jooser** · 03-13-2009, 03:02 PM

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I've tried to stay out of this most recent Pat White thread. I will, however, comment that yes indeed he can catch. He's caught passes out of different formations in the past at WVU. Also, he was drafted by the Angel coming out of high school to play outfield. He can catch, as well as throw....

**RuthlessBurgher** · 03-13-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jooser

I've tried to stay out of this most recent Pat White thread. I will, however, comment that yes indeed he can catch. He's caught passes out of different formations in the past at WVU. Also, he was drafted by the Angel coming out of high school to play outfield. He can catch, as well as throw....

But Randle El started out his senior year playing WR (until they realized that his replacement at QB really sucked and their season would be in the toilet if they didn't move him back), then played WR at the Senior Bowl, and ran routes at the combine and at his Pro Day. ARE was an athletic college QB that we could feel comfortable taking as a WR in round 2. I don't feel anything close to that with White.

**Oviedo** · 03-13-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Jooser

I've tried to stay out of this most recent Pat White thread. I will, however, comment that yes indeed he can catch. He's caught passes out of different formations in the past at WVU. Also, he was drafted by the Angel coming out of high school to play outfield. He can catch, as well as throw....

West Virginia's own website does not credit him with a single reception in his 4 years as a Mountaineer. If he had one I would think they would.

2005: [url="http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?Team=WESTVIR&year=2005"]http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerst ... &year=2005[/url]
2006: [url="http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?Team=WESTVIR&year=2006"]http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerst ... &year=2006[/url]
2007: [url="http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?Team=WESTVIR&year=2007"]http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerst ... &year=2007[/url]
2008: [url="http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?Team=WESTVIR&year=2008"]http://westvirginia.rivals.com/playerst ... &year=2008[/url]

**calmkiller** · 03-13-2009, 03:56 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Originally posted by BigBen2112

Originally posted by calmkiller

Originally posted by pfelix73

Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

See for shear sake of arguement, That is like saying we already have Jeff Hartings on the team, his name is Mahan. He is the same type of player but he is NOT Pat White. My point is to a WVU fan you can't make the comparison. Pat White is the Jerry West of football in WV.

Not saying they aren't the same type of player. Just you will not convince 1 mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than White. That what I am trying to say.

Comparing Dixon to White the way you are (Hartings to Mahan) is completely ridiculous. I understand the WVU homerism for you but my god.

Furthermore, you dont need to convince any Mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than what. We're talking about the PITTSBURGH STEELERS...not who you would want as your college QB running the WVU system.

The Pittsburgh Steelers already have a 3rd QB that they are grooming to be Ben's backup and who has a year of pro-experience AND throws the ball just as well overall...for a backup. It makes no sense for the Steelers to spend a 2nd round pick on Pat White when we already have Dixon and are going to sign a veteran backup no matter what.

Furthermore, according to league rules the 3rd string QB cant come into the game without injuries to the other QBs...so if White WANTS to be a QB we couldn't even use him (if he was labeled as a QB on the roster) as a WR/slash type player.

Again it makes no sense for the PITTSBURGH STEELERS.

I already said that the Steelers wouldn't take him. That isn't what I was saying.

**Oviedo** · 03-13-2009, 04:15 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

From ESPN. Scouts are starting to think "something is rotten in Denmark."

There were rumblings among the scouts in attendance that White might be hiding a flaw in his game that would hurt his stock as a wideout, and there was also frustration that teams will now have to bring White in for private workouts in order to see what he has to offer as a wide receiver.

[url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/news/story?id=3976345"]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... id=3976345[/url]

I'm telling you the dude has "hands of stone."

**RuthlessBurgher** · 03-13-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Oviedo

From ESPN. Scouts are starting to think "something is rotten in Denmark."

There were rumblings among the scouts in attendance that White might be hiding a flaw in his game that would hurt his stock as a wideout, and there was also frustration that teams will now have to bring White in for private workouts in order to see what he has to offer as a wide receiver.

[url="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/news/story?id=3976345"]http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/ ... id=3976345[/url]

I'm telling you the dude has "hands of stone."

Being able to actually catch the ball does help a WR just a little bit.

**SteelCzar76** · 03-13-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by BigBen2112

Originally posted by SteelCzar76

I've "actually watched" the Steelers play football since my childhood. And though i have played football,...i have never played "Fantasy" football. So miss me with the nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their opinion,...you think he's great,..i think he's average,..but blessed with considerable "luck" and or fortune. (sometimes that's all you need)

And for the sake of not beating any horse carcass here,...i'll leave it that or digress, because the point of this thread was to discuss Pat White. And i'am well aware that there is no point in debating whether or not "Ben is the greatest of all times" with his Fans.

He'd be awesome though if he'd played college ball for USC right?

Carson Palmer is a superior QB.

No,..because he was never good enough to be a Trojan QB. If memory serves me correctly, OHIO STATE (HOME OF THE COLLEGIATE GAME MANAGER QB) told him that he wasn't good enough to play Qb for THEM !?? (Wanted him to play TE) LOL

But all jousting (for the Trojan bashing) aside,.... personally all that i care about is the Glory and legacy of the Steeler organization. If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

**SteelCzar76** · 03-13-2009, 04:42 PM

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It doesn't seem as though coach Tomlin has a problem with White not working out at receiver,.....

[url="http://www.allproblogger.com/?p=1203"]http://www.allproblogger.com/?p=1203[/url]

Pat White�s Pro Day

March 12th, 2009 | NFL

ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that former West Virginia QB Pat White conducted his Pro Day without doing any WR or KR/PR drills. I was going to go down there today but I couldnt� make it. Daddy Duty here in Cincy. Anyway, I�m hearing that Pat White had a good showing. Threw the ball well today just like he did at the Combine. As far as at not doing any of the WR drills, it is being reported that WVU head coach Bill Stewart told NFL teams that Pat wouldn�t be doing any of that. I was told that Pittsburgh Steeler coach Mike Tomlin also told NFL people that Pat White would only be doing QB drills. And Tomlin added, �I don�t remember anyone asking Drew Brees to work out as a WR.� Now that is what I heard, I wasn�t there so take it for what it�s worth but Mike was there and is a supporter of Pat. And then it all made sense because Mike Tomiln�s head coach in college was WVU coach Bill Stewart. So if that is true, it�s good to hear that Mike made Pat feel at ease today and allowed him to relax and play QB. I still think that Pat will have to at least show teams that he can run a WR route or catch a punt before the NFL draft. Teams want to draft him, but they also want to know that he can do something else if he doesn�t pan out at QB.

**Steelerphile** · 03-13-2009, 07:08 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

I think there is very little chance that Pat White will develop enough as a QB to get out of the number 3 QB position on an NFL team. If he wants to do what Brian St Pierre has done and be a No. 3 QB and sit on the bench for several years and probably make a good salary for it, then he should stay as a QB.

Pat White is too small to play QB in the Nfl. I think Dixon is a better NFL QB prospect. I don't think Drew Brees is a good reference point since Brees threw a ton in college, puting up over 11,000 passing yards and White put up over 5,000. I think White was only as effective as he was because he was such a good runner and defenses worried about that first.

He may have all the intangibles that his supporters say but if he doesn't have a real position, what good are they. He's not going to help anybody as a QB except maybe a few gadget plays.

**pfelix73** · 03-13-2009, 09:12 PM

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Frankly, I don't even see Pat White as the equivalent of ARE.

ARE is a much better athlete. No comparison at all.

As far as BR not being a top 3 QB in this league? Please. Rivers better than BR? lol....

**Flasteel** · 03-13-2009, 09:17 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Originally posted by SteelCzar76

If we win with him playing "backyard ball" then so be it,....i'm tired of arguing about it.( I've been saying it since his Rookie season)

It looks like you've been wrong for quite some time heh.

**steelcityrules!!** · 03-13-2009, 11:51 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Originally posted by Oviedo

I guess it is just convenient to ignore facts when they go against your ingrained opinions.

Back to the topic at hand--Pat White. Pat White will never achieve the success that Ben R. has. White is a good college QB in a very unique type of offense that maximized his strengths. The NFL won't.

Pat White is getting very bad advice about this whole "I'm a QB" position.

White was a great passing QB who is a phenomenal athlete, was asked to pass very rarely, and had 2 NFL caliber WR's his entire 4 years.

I'm not advocating drafting pat white, nor am i saying he's on the level of ben, but to say he's not capable of being a QB at the next level is absolutely naive.

I'd take him over any of the QB's in the draft this year, he's faster than mike vick and three times as accurate.

i'll laugh if detroit takes stafford #1... they could take a top tackle and LB in the first round and then take pat white in the 2nd.

but they are the lions, destined for mediocrity and first round busts.

**BigBen2112** · 03-13-2009, 11:59 PM

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Name a barely 6'0, 195 lb #1 NFL QB.

Not Troy Smith...

Heck I struggle to think of anyone but Rex Grossman who is less than 2 inches taller and 25 lbs heavier than White who is an average NFL QB.

Maybe Tyler Thigpen who was OK in KC this last year...out of the shotgun...but he's not an NFL starter now either.

Compare him to Michael Vick? Not the most flattering comparison since Vick sucked as a QB.

If anything Pat White, at strictly QB, is like Seneca Wallace, Troy Smith, or D.J. Shockley in the NFL. How many of those guys are successful #1 starters?

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