Pat White's pro Day ?

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

See for shear sake of arguement, That is like saying we already have Jeff Hartings on the team, his name is Mahan. He is the same type of player but he is NOT Pat White. My point is to a WVU fan you can't make the comparison. Pat White is the Jerry West of football in WV.

Not saying they aren't the same type of player. Just you will not convince 1 mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than White. That what I am trying to say.

The topic at hand is that the Steelers will be drafting a player to play in the NFL, not the Mountaineers drafting a player to play in the Big East.

From a Steelers standpoint, a Pat White who isn't a WR primarily is of limited value to the Steelers.

[pfelix73]

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OK. I still say that PW would be a wasted pick. We'll see how good you guys are again this year when ECU comes up to Morgantown with even a BETTER team than last year.....

We have some quality players along the DL that will make it into the NFL this year, but I don't go around saying we should take them just because they are Pirates....

[calmkiller]

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Point at hand then, no the Steelers will not draft Pat White because they used a draft pick last year on Dennis Dixon.


And I fully expect WVU to have an improved Defense this year and struggle on offense. We may go 7-5.

[RussBII]

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From a Steelers standpoint, a Pat White who isn't a WR primarily is of limited value to the Steelers.

That's the winning argument summed up in one sentence...

[pfelix73]

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Perfectly said.... I ditto your remark.

[SteelHead]

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I didn't read the whole thread , only caught the last couple posts. I agree that as dynamic a prospect as White is I would cringe at his selection for the Steelers on draft day. Kind of ironic actually and probably means nothing as every team had a rep at his pro day but I saw a very brief clip on NFL network and it was of Tomlin talking to him. Probably asking him why he didn't run any routes like every other team was wondering.

[SteelCzar76]

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Hmmmm......

Tomlin being there means the interest must be genuine....

Do the Steelers take him? And if yes- where?

I'd say in the second after striking nearly the same deal we did to move up for Troy to snag Rey-Rey (Maualuga) in the 1st as Potsie's heir apparent. Because we'd still have the comp pick in the 3rd with which we could take Victor Harris. And then finish off the Draft with OG/OT Cornelius lewis of Tenn State and DT/DE Zach Potter of NE.(Or Rulon Davis of Cal in place of Potter)

I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency would hate for this to unfold as they want at least 3 O-lineman this year,....but i think these players would compliment our current roster quite well. (As we are not "rebuilding")

But hey,..that's just my opinion,....

The Roethlisberger enablers? Just what are any of us supposedly enabling him to do? Lead us to two championships in four years?

Good God Czar, it's one thing to admit that Ben has room for growth, but if you don't believe that he's among the top three or four quarterbacks in the league then you need to step away from the pipe. Our line did play better down the stretch but don't discount their poor pass protection over the past couple of seasons or the fact that we have ignored both lines at the top of the draft this entire friggin' millenium.

Burning a second round pick on a back-up quarterback is retarded enough to begin with. Considering we have Dixon and apparently will be once again choosing between Batch and Lefty...well what's worse than retarded?

If the guy had proven himself to be a multi-dimensional threat or could return punts, you could sell me on the idea. Since that is clearly not the case, there is no way I'd be happy with selecting him anywhere near the top of the draft.

I was speaking of enablers in a sense of the percentage of the Steeler fanbase whom relate to Ben for whatever reason on a personal level and henceforth act as though he's the second coming of Dan Marino as a QB,...when the reality is as a passer he's a glorified game manager. Trent dilfer with more athleticism.

No in my opinion he's not one of the Top three QB's in the league. He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner. He was just blessed enough to have been selected by an organization with a sound foundation in terms of personnel, Coaching staff and Ownership. That's not "hating",..it's simply truth.

But back to Pat White,...whose to say he will not prove to be multi dimensional ? You don't think that due to the fact that both Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance at his pro day that he will not have a private workout with the team at some point in the next few weeks ?(Where he will run the route tree for them)

And do you honestly feel as though Brittle Batch has that much left in the Tank ? Now Leftwhich,..i'm with you on,...but it's not certain that he will remain a Steeler. And in regards to Dixon,....i've read the arguments that he's similar to White,..but it's not even close. I've watched both of these kids play in college,..and White's a far better passer with a higher "football IQ".

[Oviedo]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Hmmmm......

Tomlin being there means the interest must be genuine....

Do the Steelers take him? And if yes- where?

I'd say in the second after striking nearly the same deal we did to move up for Troy to snag Rey-Rey (Maualuga) in the 1st as Potsie's heir apparent. Because we'd still have the comp pick in the 3rd with which we could take Victor Harris. And then finish off the Draft with OG/OT Cornelius lewis of Tenn State and DT/DE Zach Potter of NE.(Or Rulon Davis of Cal in place of Potter)

I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency would hate for this to unfold as they want at least 3 O-lineman this year,....but i think these players would compliment our current roster quite well. (As we are not "rebuilding")

But hey,..that's just my opinion,....

The Roethlisberger enablers? Just what are any of us supposedly enabling him to do? Lead us to two championships in four years?

Good God Czar, it's one thing to admit that Ben has room for growth, but if you don't believe that he's among the top three or four quarterbacks in the league then you need to step away from the pipe. Our line did play better down the stretch but don't discount their poor pass protection over the past couple of seasons or the fact that we have ignored both lines at the top of the draft this entire friggin' millenium.

Burning a second round pick on a back-up quarterback is retarded enough to begin with. Considering we have Dixon and apparently will be once again choosing between Batch and Lefty...well what's worse than retarded?

If the guy had proven himself to be a multi-dimensional threat or could return punts, you could sell me on the idea. Since that is clearly not the case, there is no way I'd be happy with selecting him anywhere near the top of the draft.

I was speaking of enablers in a sense of the percentage of the Steeler fanbase whom relate to Ben for whatever reason on a personal level and henceforth act as though he's the second coming of Dan Marino as a QB,...when the reality is as a passer he's a glorified game manager. Trent dilfer with more athleticism.

No in my opinion he's not one of the Top three QB's in the league. He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner. He was just blessed enough to have been selected by an organization with a sound foundation in terms of personnel, Coaching staff and Ownership. That's not "hating",..it's simply truth.

But back to Pat White,...whose to say he will not prove to be multi dimensional ? You don't think that due to the fact that both Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance at his pro day that he will not have a private workout with the team at some point in the next few weeks ?(Where he will run the route tree for them)

And do you honestly feel as though Brittle Batch has that much left in the Tank ? Now Leftwhich,..i'm with you on,...but it's not certain that he will remain a Steeler. And in regards to Dixon,....i've read the arguments that he's similar to White,..but it's not even close. I've watched both of these kids play in college,..and White's a far better passer with a higher "football IQ".

he's a glorified game manager

Do you actually watch Steelers' games? We all get it you don't like Ben because he doesn't put up big fantasy football stats but you are totally off base.

The comeback win against the Ravens and the comeback win in the Super Bowl is not what "game managers" do. Those are victories achieved by a QB putting the offense on his shoulders and making things happen.

You can't be a "game manager" and win with the inconsistent running game we had this past season.

He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner

If anything, this past season showed that Brady is just a "product of the system." Cassell did just as well as he did.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I was speaking of enablers in a sense of the percentage of the Steeler fanbase whom relate to Ben for whatever reason on a personal level and henceforth act as though he's the second coming of Dan Marino as a QB,...when the reality is as a passer he's a glorified game manager. Trent dilfer with more athleticism.

No in my opinion he's not one of the Top three QB's in the league. He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner. He was just blessed enough to have been selected by an organization with a sound foundation in terms of personnel, Coaching staff and Ownership. That's not "hating",..it's simply truth.

Ah jeez...not this $#!+ again!

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[SteelCzar76]

Re: Pat White's pro Day ?

Hmmmm......

Tomlin being there means the interest must be genuine....

Do the Steelers take him? And if yes- where?

I'd say in the second after striking nearly the same deal we did to move up for Troy to snag Rey-Rey (Maualuga) in the 1st as Potsie's heir apparent. Because we'd still have the comp pick in the 3rd with which we could take Victor Harris. And then finish off the Draft with OG/OT Cornelius lewis of Tenn State and DT/DE Zach Potter of NE.(Or Rulon Davis of Cal in place of Potter)

I'm sure that the Roethlisberger "enablers" whom blow the O-line's shortcomings far out of proportion to make excuses for his inconsistency would hate for this to unfold as they want at least 3 O-lineman this year,....but i think these players would compliment our current roster quite well. (As we are not "rebuilding")

But hey,..that's just my opinion,....

The Roethlisberger enablers? Just what are any of us supposedly enabling him to do? Lead us to two championships in four years?

Good God Czar, it's one thing to admit that Ben has room for growth, but if you don't believe that he's among the top three or four quarterbacks in the league then you need to step away from the pipe. Our line did play better down the stretch but don't discount their poor pass protection over the past couple of seasons or the fact that we have ignored both lines at the top of the draft this entire friggin' millenium.

Burning a second round pick on a back-up quarterback is retarded enough to begin with. Considering we have Dixon and apparently will be once again choosing between Batch and Lefty...well what's worse than retarded?

If the guy had proven himself to be a multi-dimensional threat or could return punts, you could sell me on the idea. Since that is clearly not the case, there is no way I'd be happy with selecting him anywhere near the top of the draft.

I was speaking of enablers in a sense of the percentage of the Steeler fanbase whom relate to Ben for whatever reason on a personal level and henceforth act as though he's the second coming of Dan Marino as a QB,...when the reality is as a passer he's a glorified game manager. Trent dilfer with more athleticism.

No in my opinion he's not one of the Top three QB's in the league. He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner. He was just blessed enough to have been selected by an organization with a sound foundation in terms of personnel, Coaching staff and Ownership. That's not "hating",..it's simply truth.

But back to Pat White,...whose to say he will not prove to be multi dimensional ? You don't think that due to the fact that both Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance at his pro day that he will not have a private workout with the team at some point in the next few weeks ?(Where he will run the route tree for them)

And do you honestly feel as though Brittle Batch has that much left in the Tank ? Now Leftwhich,..i'm with you on,...but it's not certain that he will remain a Steeler. And in regards to Dixon,....i've read the arguments that he's similar to White,..but it's not even close. I've watched both of these kids play in college,..and White's a far better passer with a higher "football IQ".

he's a glorified game manager

Do you actually watch Steelers' games? We all get it you don't like Ben because he doesn't put up big fantasy football stats but you are totally off base.

The comeback win against the Ravens and the comeback win in the Super Bowl is not what "game managers" do. Those are victories achieved by a QB putting the offense on his shoulders and making things happen.

You can't be a "game manager" and win with the inconsistent running game we had this past season.

[quote:33nacnxk]He does not play the position as well as Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees or even Cutler or Warner

If anything, this past season showed that Brady is just a "product of the system." Cassell did just as well as he did.[/quote:33nacnxk]


I've "actually watched" the Steelers play football since my childhood. And though i have played football,...i have never played "Fantasy" football. So miss me with the nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their opinion,...you think he's great,..i think he's average,..but blessed with considerable "luck" and or fortune. (sometimes that's all you need)

And for the sake of not beating any horse carcass here,...i'll leave it that or digress, because the point of this thread was to discuss Pat White. And i'am well aware that there is no point in debating whether or not "Ben is the greatest of all times" with his Fans.

[Oviedo]

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I guess it is just convenient to ignore facts when they go against your ingrained opinions.

Back to the topic at hand--Pat White. Pat White will never achieve the success that Ben R. has. White is a good college QB in a very unique type of offense that maximized his strengths. The NFL won't.

Pat White is getting very bad advice about this whole "I'm a QB" position.

[feltdizz]

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Ben is a glorified game manager? Goodness..
while I do think Ben was handled correctly as a rookie and I wish he threw the ball away more last year(to save himself)..

there is no other QB playing right now better then Ben.. sure they may have stats out the wazoo but when you have one drive left do you want Peyton? Brees? Cutler? LOL!!! Hell, no.. only Tom Brady*** could be mentioned.. and you would have to say FG for me to take him. Brady* is good but he was good at getting in FG range

whoever said that nonsense should have his membership revoked. LOL!!!!

[WoodleyofTroy]

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But back to Pat White,...whose to say he will not prove to be multi dimensional ? You don't think that due to the fact that both Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance at his pro day that he will not have a private workout with the team at some point in the next few weeks ?(Where he will run the route tree for them)

I'm sure Tomlin and Colbert were in attendance before it was announced White wasn't running routes. Now that he pulled a fast one on everybody, his "dream" of playing for the Steelers is a fantasy.

[BigBen2112]

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Pat White= A wasted pick by the Steelers, IMO. As someone else posted earlier. We already have a Pat White on the team. His name is Dixon.

See for shear sake of arguement, That is like saying we already have Jeff Hartings on the team, his name is Mahan. He is the same type of player but he is NOT Pat White. My point is to a WVU fan you can't make the comparison. Pat White is the Jerry West of football in WV.

Not saying they aren't the same type of player. Just you will not convince 1 mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than White. That what I am trying to say.

Comparing Dixon to White the way you are (Hartings to Mahan) is completely ridiculous. I understand the WVU homerism for you but my god.

Furthermore, you dont need to convince any Mountaineer fan that Dixon is better than what. We're talking about the PITTSBURGH STEELERS...not who you would want as your college QB running the WVU system.

The Pittsburgh Steelers already have a 3rd QB that they are grooming to be Ben's backup and who has a year of pro-experience AND throws the ball just as well overall...for a backup. It makes no sense for the Steelers to spend a 2nd round pick on Pat White when we already have Dixon and are going to sign a veteran backup no matter what.

Furthermore, according to league rules the 3rd string QB cant come into the game without injuries to the other QBs...so if White WANTS to be a QB we couldn't even use him (if he was labeled as a QB on the roster) as a WR/slash type player.

Again it makes no sense for the PITTSBURGH STEELERS.

[BigBen2112]

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I've "actually watched" the Steelers play football since my childhood. And though i have played football,...i have never played "Fantasy" football. So miss me with the nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their opinion,...you think he's great,..i think he's average,..but blessed with considerable "luck" and or fortune. (sometimes that's all you need)

And for the sake of not beating any horse carcass here,...i'll leave it that or digress, because the point of this thread was to discuss Pat White. And i'am well aware that there is no point in debating whether or not "Ben is the greatest of all times" with his Fans.

He'd be awesome though if he'd played college ball for USC right?

Carson Palmer is a superior QB.