Question: Was Manning's quick snap dirty or genius?

[feltdizz]

Re: Question: Was Manning's quick snap dirty or genius?

Cheap. To me, it's like 2 boxers coming out to start a fight and one reaches out to touch gloves and the other on KO's him.

Technically, you get the KO, but, you can't feel good about yourself.

If they had subbed a player in, it's actually a penalty - not sure if they had. I assume they hadn't since the d-coordinator didn't win the argument with the ref.

I don't think it's that blatant as the start of a fight..

but when boxers touch gloves after a heated exchange or in the last round... that is the same thing IMO. LOL!!!

but like I said earlier... if it's to win the game or he is putting on a clinic it's genius.. but when you do it and lose it looks bad IMO. The game wasn't meant to be played like that.

No different then the fake UCONN fair catch or doing the hack a shaq for the whole fourth quarter...

[feltdizz]

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I don't understand how anyone can say it is "bush" league. The offense goes to great length to try and "trick" the defense. They run mis-direction plays and play action passes. They go into the hurry up if they feel there are personnel mis-matches. Who here thinks Randle El's TD pass in the SB was "bush" league? The defense needs to be prepared for anything the offense throws at them. San Diego got caught with their pants down on that play. I don't think I would call the play "genius" but Manning recognized the confusion on defense and took advantage of it. Kudos to him, and the rest of the Colts, for executing it. I'd love if the Steelers could pull something like that off. Unfortunately even if they did they would probably be called for some BS procedure penalty (i.e. the Bettis TD in the 2005 AFC Championship game).

funny thing is I bet they could have called something...

nothing done to trick a team within a play is bush league... but remember the fumble rooskie? It's legal but when you are a high powered offense and you are reduced to the fumble rooskie to get points I just don't see how it shows you are a power on offense.

motion and trick plays are all cool in my book. But when you spend half the game trying to play 11 on 10 it is bush league IMO.

If it's a blown assignment then cool... but Peyton is known for this and after a while when I see him choking away another playoff loss and being given another MVP title I expect to see genuine QB execution.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

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I don't understand how anyone can say it is "bush" league. The offense goes to great length to try and "trick" the defense. They run mis-direction plays and play action passes. They go into the hurry up if they feel there are personnel mis-matches. Who here thinks Randle El's TD pass in the SB was "bush" league? The defense needs to be prepared for anything the offense throws at them. San Diego got caught with their pants down on that play. I don't think I would call the play "genius" but Manning recognized the confusion on defense and took advantage of it. Kudos to him, and the rest of the Colts, for executing it. I'd love if the Steelers could pull something like that off. Unfortunately even if they did they would probably be called for some BS procedure penalty (i.e. the Bettis TD in the 2005 AFC Championship game).

You ever race the kid that says, "ready, set..." then takes off and says "go" after he's taken 3 steps?

Once I've lined up and you've lined up, any misdirection is fair.

While I'm not going to get a delay of game penalty waiting for you, I also realize the spirit of the game isn't to punch while you're touching gloves...

Peyton Manning as a boxer...

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KU53FjumV0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KU53FjumV0[/url]

[SteelerOfDeVille]

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No different then the fake UCONN fair catch or doing the hack a shaq for the whole fourth quarter...

Hack a shaq, though... we've lined up and you have options... take him outta the game, coach?

(the UCONN fake fair catch still burns my arse...)

[Starlifter]

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once the ball is placed and the play clock starts running it is 'live'. the defense is responsible for being ready - the offense has no obligation to wait for them to get their act together. it was savvy and heads up. SD got what they deserved.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Re: Question: Was Manning's quick snap dirty or genius?

Peezy said it years ago... and I agree... Even my wife called it a b.s. play.

[feltdizz]

Re: Question: Was Manning's quick snap dirty or genius?

once the ball is placed and the play clock starts running it is 'live'. the defense is responsible for being ready - the offense has no obligation to wait for them to get their act together. it was savvy and heads up. SD got what they deserved.

true.. but manning basically stands there looking at the D's sideline to try to get a cheap play. You say SD got what they deserved.. but you can also say Peyton got what he deserves... another loss for spending too much damn time trying to out trick teams for cheap yards instead of spending more time on how to beat teams when the playoffs start.

I think Peyton is never going to get back to a SB because of it too....

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Re: Question: Was Manning's quick snap dirty or genius?

once the ball is placed and the play clock starts running it is 'live'. the defense is responsible for being ready - the offense has no obligation to wait for them to get their act together. it was savvy and heads up. SD got what they deserved.

and once the bell rings, it's perfectly legal to punch.

Again, I think it's just like [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KU53FjumV0]this[/url]... if you wanna win that way.

Obviously, Peyton would be a horrible golf partner.

[ikestops85]

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I don't understand how anyone can say it is "bush" league. The offense goes to great length to try and "trick" the defense. They run mis-direction plays and play action passes. They go into the hurry up if they feel there are personnel mis-matches. Who here thinks Randle El's TD pass in the SB was "bush" league? The defense needs to be prepared for anything the offense throws at them. San Diego got caught with their pants down on that play. I don't think I would call the play "genius" but Manning recognized the confusion on defense and took advantage of it. Kudos to him, and the rest of the Colts, for executing it. I'd love if the Steelers could pull something like that off. Unfortunately even if they did they would probably be called for some BS procedure penalty (i.e. the Bettis TD in the 2005 AFC Championship game).

funny thing is I bet they could have called something...

nothing done to trick a team within a play is bush league... but remember the fumble rooskie? It's legal but when you are a high powered offense and you are reduced to the fumble rooskie to get points I just don't see how it shows you are a power on offense.

motion and trick plays are all cool in my book. But when you spend half the game trying to play 11 on 10 it is bush league IMO.

If it's a blown assignment then cool... but Peyton is known for this and after a while when I see him choking away another playoff loss and being given another MVP title I expect to see genuine QB execution.

I agree that Peyton is known for this so isn't it a coaches responsibility to prepare the players? My point is San Diego did blow the assignment. The Colts thought they had personnel on the field that favored them and they didn't want SD to substitute. That's one of the purposes of running a hurry-up in the middle of the game. Many teams, including our Steelers, run this offense. So are you telling me we should wait until the defense has just the right people on the field that they want? What about at the end of the game when the seconds are ticking away? Do you expect the offense to wait for the defense to be lined up before hiking the ball?

Nah, it was a heads-up play but it in no way invalidates the fact that Peyton has a habit of coming up short in the playoffs.

[feltdizz]

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I know what you are saying... and plenty of times we see our O standing there waiting for the play and the D has yet to line up.. sure we could try it but to me it just seems like shady.

Again I don't think it's something that just happened but something Peyton tries to do all game long... have you ever played a one on one or a pick up basketball game and the opponent does a bounce off your leg "check ball"(giving you chance to hold the ball before letting them inbound a pass or "checks the ball" then acts like they are tying there shoe then passes the ball in?

It's cool once and it's legal... "haha you got me.." but if every check ball or pass in bounds is on some deception it gets annoying.

line up and play football... stop trying to bullsh^%t your way down the field.. cause when it's really time to get it done you don't have an answer.