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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    Arians Reality Not Real

    Arians discounts running game theory
    Buzz up!
    By Scott Brown, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Thursday, January 1, 2009


    The Steelers have become so associated with a dominant running game, it has created the perception that they cannot succeed offensively without one.

    That is not reality, said offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, who pointed to the Super Bowl run the Steelers made during the 2005 season as evidence. In winning three games to get to the Super Bowl, Arians said, the Steelers used the pass to set up the run.

    "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."

    Roethlisberger, who led the Steelers to their last Super Bowl title, is recovering from a concussion he sustained in a 31-0 win over the Browns on Sunday. He is expected to be OK, and a running game that has been suspect this season might have to carry more of the load as the Steelers prepare for an AFC divisional playoff game on Jan. 11.

    Arians has been criticized for moving the Steelers away from what is considered their roots: a power running game. And the second-guessing of Arians only intensified this season, as the Steelers finished 23rd in the NFL in rushing (105.6 yards per game).

    "It's always easy when you're an armchair quarterback," left tackle Max Starks said. "Fans are going to look at it differently, and the media is always going to look at it differently. But if we have confidence in (the running game), that's all that really matters."

    Arians said the running game is merely different from the one to which Steelers fans had become accustomed. Personnel has partly dictated that, he said, as the Steelers haven't had a big, bruising back such as Jerome Bettis since he retired following the 2005 season.

    The Steelers have run more out of a one-back set since Arians started calling the plays, and the use of the traditional fullback as well as the I-formation has been de-emphasized.
    A different approach
    Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians said the Steelers used the pass to set up the run in the three playoff games they won in 2006 to get to the Super Bowl. Here is a breakdown of the yards the Steelers gained in those games.
    Opponent Result Passing yards Rushing yards
    Bengals W, 31-17 202 144
    Colts W, 21-18 183 112
    Broncos W, 34-17 268 90

    "We do something a little different without him," Arians said of Bettis, "but we do have Willie (Parker), we do have Mewelde (Moore) so we have good backs and we've run the ball satisfactorily, but not great."

    The Steelers rushed for 176 yards Sunday against the Browns, and they ran Parker out of the I-formation more than usual. Parker rushed for 116 yards on 23 carries and scored on a 34-yard run.

    Arians, however, dismissed the notion that the I-formation is some sort of elixir for the running game and said the Steelers will use it in the playoffs as circumstances dictate.

    "Willie's touchdown run (against the Browns) was the same run he had in the Super Bowl," Arians said, "one back, the exact same play, so no, I don't put any stock in that (stuff)."

    Parker said recently that he prefers to run behind a fullback and questioned the approach the Steelers had taken in regard to running the ball. His criticism drew a pointed rebuttal from coach Mike Tomlin. Parker has since refused to get drawn into any discussions about the Steelers' philosophy of running the ball.

    "I'm not getting into that, if we have a fullback or not," Parker said. "If we run it, I'm happy."

    [url]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_605306.html[/url]

    You really get the sense that BA has no clue as to why Ben was so successful early in his career. It was PRECISELY because we had the THREAT of a strong running game that he was able to pass. If BA cannot understand this, I see little hope that he will be able to lead this offense to a championship. You also get a sense reading between the lines that some players are really frustrated with BA but know that they are beating a dead horse in trying to get changes made. BA still does not see that a lead FB results in better yards on a run.

    I have heard of arrogance and a belief in what one is trying to do, but this ranks as plain stupidity.
  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 8361

    #2
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    Great post North Coast. I think you're comments are right on. I also think that we need a lot more runs with a FB leading the way. There is a reason that our RBs, back to The Bus, have been very vocal about having a good FB in front. It really is hard to tell whether BA is arrogant, or just plain not the sharpest tool in the shed. I can't wait to hear one day what Coach Tomlin really thinks of all this.

    CAN"T WAIT FOR OUR FIRST PLAYOFF GAME!!!!!!


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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    • Iron Shiek
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 3798

      #3
      Re: Arians Reality Not Real

      The writer must've wrote that article for all of us Arians bashers. Ha. It doesn't help any. And the funny thing is the people quoted in the article (Arians, Starks) are on top of the "must leave" list for most of the posters here, just to twist the knife a bit.
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      • SteelerNation1
        Pro Bowler
        • May 2008
        • 1574

        #4
        Re: Arians Reality Not Real

        Originally posted by NorthCoast

        "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."
        No matter how much you dislike Arians, you cannot disagree with this quote. It is 100% right on. The big difference is in 2005 people expected us to run and we caught them by surprise a little.
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        • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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          • May 2008
          • 8361

          #5
          Re: Arians Reality Not Real

          Originally posted by SteelerNation1
          Originally posted by NorthCoast

          "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."
          No matter how much you dislike Arians, you cannot disagree with this quote. It is 100% right on. The big difference is in 2005 people expected us to run and we caught them by surprise a little.
          So, the obvious path to the Superbowl this year, since BA is setting it up so everyone expects us to pass is ... RUN!

          Wait, , wasn't I just b*tching up a blue storm a month or so ago about the predictability of the run game? Wait ... we can do it with a FB leading the way!

          BA is a genius!!


          We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

          HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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          • Steeler Shades
            Starter
            • May 2008
            • 724

            #6
            Re: Arians Reality Not Real

            Originally posted by SteelerNation1
            Originally posted by NorthCoast
            "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."
            The big difference is in 2005 people expected us to run and we caught them by surprise a little.
            I think the big difference is that if needed we could run in 2005. We caught people by surprise because they had to defend the run.
            Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

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            • TallyStiller
              Starter
              • Dec 2008
              • 513

              #7
              Re: Arians Reality Not Real

              Frankly, I got tired of watching us LOSE in the playoffs year in, year out with Bill Cowher playing neanderthal ball on offense. We've got a franchise quarterback to whom we just gave a $102 million contract... why not put the offense on his back? The one frustrating thing here is that the personnel we have don't seem to entirely fit the strategy, in that our roster isn't exactly stacked with top notch pass blocking linemen - something that will need to be corrected going forward. However, there's only one offensive player of star quality here, and he wears #7. Win or lose, it's on him, as it should be.

              Other teams win throwing it a lot... New England, Indy, Tampa in 2002, the vintage 49ers... and the rules are set up for it now more than ever. Gotta change with the times. I'm willing to sit back and let them play it out, and I won't b**ch as long as we win.

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              • costanza2k1
                Hall of Famer
                • Mar 2008
                • 2579

                #8
                Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                Originally posted by Steeler Shades
                Originally posted by SteelerNation1
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."
                The big difference is in 2005 people expected us to run and we caught them by surprise a little.
                I think the big difference is that if needed we could run in 2005. We caught people by surprise because they had to defend the run.

                That's it right there. All successful run teams have two backs (not to mention the obvious OL), a fast shifty one and a bulldozer. We lost our version of this years bulldozer early on. I think we really miss Mendenhall even though he hasn't proven anything yet. You can't tell me him pounding into LBs about 10 times toward the end of the game wouldn't help wear out the defense.
                ours is not to wonder why just invert and multiply...

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                • Ozey74
                  Pro Bowler
                  • May 2008
                  • 2091

                  #9
                  Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                  Originally posted by costanza2k1
                  Originally posted by Steeler Shades
                  Originally posted by SteelerNation1
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  "It's different in Pittsburgh because people believe if you run it 30 times (a game) you automatically win, but when I was here we didn't win any Super Bowls that way," Arians said Wednesday. "I know how we won them, and No. 7 (quarterback Ben Roethlisberger) won them for us offensively."
                  The big difference is in 2005 people expected us to run and we caught them by surprise a little.
                  I think the big difference is that if needed we could run in 2005. We caught people by surprise because they had to defend the run.

                  We lost our version of this years bulldozer early on. I think we really miss Mendenhall even though he hasn't proven anything yet. You can't tell me him pounding into LBs about 10 times toward the end of the game wouldn't help wear out the defense.

                  True. It's nice to know that this is something that doesn't need to be addressed this offseason & we will have a healthy Mendenhall going into camp!!


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                  • Steeler Shades
                    Starter
                    • May 2008
                    • 724

                    #10
                    Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                    Originally posted by Ozey74
                    Originally posted by costanza2k1
                    We lost our version of this years bulldozer early on. I think we really miss Mendenhall even though he hasn't proven anything yet. You can't tell me him pounding into LBs about 10 times toward the end of the game wouldn't help wear out the defense.
                    True. It's nice to know that this is something that doesn't need to be addressed this offseason & we will have a healthy Mendenhall going into camp!!
                    Agreed. I'm looking forward to Mendy coming back next year with an improved OL and an OC that will use him correctly.
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                    • Ozey74
                      Pro Bowler
                      • May 2008
                      • 2091

                      #11
                      Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                      Originally posted by Steeler Shades
                      Originally posted by Ozey74
                      Originally posted by costanza2k1
                      We lost our version of this years bulldozer early on. I think we really miss Mendenhall even though he hasn't proven anything yet. You can't tell me him pounding into LBs about 10 times toward the end of the game wouldn't help wear out the defense.
                      True. It's nice to know that this is something that doesn't need to be addressed this offseason & we will have a healthy Mendenhall going into camp!!
                      Agreed. I'm looking forward to Mendy coming back next year with an improved OL and an OC that will use him correctly.

                      If there is a positive to Mendy getting hurt, it is that we just have more of a reason to hate Ray Lewis.



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                      • Djfan
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                        • May 2008
                        • 5184

                        #12
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                        Come on Tomlin! This guy is an idiot.

                        Just can the loser this off season.
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                        • Ozey74
                          Pro Bowler
                          • May 2008
                          • 2091

                          #13
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                          Originally posted by Djfan
                          Come on Tomlin! This guy is an idiot.

                          Just can the loser this off season.

                          I share your sentiments! If we don't win a ring & BA is still on the coaching staff 1 week after the season, I will be bummed!!


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                          • Steeler Shades
                            Starter
                            • May 2008
                            • 724

                            #14
                            Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                            Originally posted by Ozey74
                            If there is a positive to Mendy getting hurt, it is that we just have more of a reason to hate Ray Lewis.

                            I can't imagine anything could cause me to despise Ray Ray more than I already did before this season.......
                            Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity

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                            • Ozey74
                              Pro Bowler
                              • May 2008
                              • 2091

                              #15
                              Re: Arians Reality Not Real

                              Originally posted by Steeler Shades
                              Originally posted by Ozey74
                              If there is a positive to Mendy getting hurt, it is that we just have more of a reason to hate Ray Lewis.

                              I can't imagine anything could cause me to despise Ray Ray more than I already did before this season.......

                              I didn't either until he robbed our 1st round RB of his rookie season!!!


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