2023 Steelers Season a "waste" RE: KP8 evaluation

[Oviedo]

1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.

Exactly. Right on the mark.

The usual suspects just want to blame Tomlin for enforcing conservative mandates, but maybe those mandates were because they see and know Pickett better than his fan boys.

They had to make the decision he couldn?t handle more

[WindyCitySteel]

Exactly. Right on the mark.

The usual suspects just want to blame Tomlin for enforcing conservative mandates, but maybe those mandates were because they see and know Pickett better than his fan boys.

They had to make the decision he couldn?t handle more

And Tomlin just reinstated him as the starter for next season. You guys are going to have a rouuuuuuuugh year.

[feltdizz]

And Tomlin just reinstated him as the starter for next season. You guys are going to have a rouuuuuuuugh year.

maybe its rough or maybe its the natural development of a QB in the NFL.

sucks that Kenny was hurt but I think he was headed for playoff experience if healthy for the last 6 games.

Fans lack patience.

[flippy]

maybe its rough or maybe its the natural development of a QB in the NFL.

sucks that Kenny was hurt but I think he was headed for playoff experience if healthy for the last 6 games.

Fans lack patience.

I think Kenny can be good long term, but he?s got miles to go.

It?s all mental imho.

He needs to learn to read a D, go thru progressions, and maybe go play for the OC in Green Bay who seems to be able to get his WRs college open.

But I?m not sure Kenny?s chance will be here because Mason showed something and is in a place I?m not sure Kenny can get to by next season.

I think he?ll put in the work and compete. But I also think it could be too late because he disappeared from the media down the stretch. I?m not sure how good a look that is with the fans or his teammates???

[Northern_Blitz]

And Tomlin just reinstated him as the starter for next season. You guys are going to have a rouuuuuuuugh year.

We'll see.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement when he says "he'll be QB1, BUT..."

And he was QB1 when he was sitting on the bench this year too.

I don't think I'd put a lot of money on Kenny being the QB by the end of next season. And I think he's probably about a 50% chance of being the guy who starts in week 1. If we already had Mason under contract next season, I'd put that number lower.

[whatever]

And yet Tomlin is running back one more time in 2024 -- if this (predictably?) fails, you still defending Tomlin and blaming the talent?

Yup. Tomlin hired and kept Canada.
Tomlin drafted Pickett.
Yet, Tomlin isn?t at fault for any of it, according to some.

[Jooser]

1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.

Yup, thats pretty much the way I see it.

[Eich]

1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.

Meh, we "learned" all that under Canada's pathetic offense and Tomlin's don't-turn-the-ball-over conservatism.

6. We also learned that Kenny has excelled late in the 4th quarter of games, when the handcuffs come off
7. We also learned that Kenny had one of the best games of his young career right after Canada was bounced


So, maybe we "learned" some stuff. But I don't think the Steelers gave him the right ingredients for a proper evaluation and growth path. Two years+ with Canada before we realized he's not the right coordinator. To me, that's wasted time. Time that a legit, proven coordinator could have worked with Kenny and developed an offense to his strengths and contributed to his growth.

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider myself a blind Kenny fan that'll defend his every move. My gut says that our franchise QB to replace Ben for the long term, isn't on our roster. But I also don't think we did Kenny any favors.

[Captain Lemming]

And Tomlin just reinstated him as the starter for next season. You guys are going to have a rouuuuuuuugh year.

As much as I have defended Tomlin, I agree this is a problem. If Mason is indeed a flash in the pan, no problem.

But if Mason has a Mayfield like run elsewhere and Kenny winds up a fail, my take on Tomlin overall will do a 180.

[whatever]

I’m not sure Rudolph will receive a ‘starter’ contract from anyone else.
It would in his best interest to sign with a team that would give him a legit shot to compete for the starting job.
It would be in Pittsburghs best interest to sign Rudolph.
I’m pretty sure Tomlin needs to say privately and publicly that Rudolph, if signed, will get a fair shot.
I don’t see the Steelers (Tomlin) admitting they screwed up picking Kenny.
They won’t draft a qb early.
They will blame Canada and say the new OC will develop our qbs.

And if Tomlin can keep his nose out of the offense, I agree.
BUT, If he continues to meddle, it won’t matter who the OC or qb is.

[Eich]

I?m not sure Rudolph will receive a ?starter? contract from anyone else.
It would in his best interest to sign with a team that would give him a legit shot to compete for the starting job.
It would be in Pittsburghs best interest to sign Rudolph.
I?m pretty sure Tomlin needs to say privately and publicly that Rudolph, if signed, will get a fair shot.
I don?t see the Steelers (Tomlin) admitting they screwed up picking Kenny.
They won?t draft a qb early.
They will blame Canada and say the new OC will develop our qbs.

And if Tomlin can keep his nose out of the offense, I agree.
BUT, If he continues to meddle, it won?t matter who the OC or qb is.

I think Mason is in another position to not really get a fair shot with the Steelers. At least to start the 2024 season:

If we go into the offseason with KP8 and Rudolph + some no name or late round draft pic as the 3 QBs to compete, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where KP8 isn't QB1 entering the 2024 season. He would have to look like complete garbage in camp for Tomlin to give up on him, IMO. He might have a relatively short leash though, with Mason as the backup in waiting.

If we go into the offseason with KP8 and Rudolph and a top dollar free agent like Kirk Cousins, then Kirk is going to be QB1. KP8 probably the backup. Mason as QB3. Just like we started 2022 with Mitch. We're not paying a free agent to sit behind Kenny.

The only way I see Mason staying with the Steelers is if there isn't a lot of interest elsewhere.

[whatever]

I think Mason is in another position to not really get a fair shot with the Steelers. At least to start the 2024 season:

If we go into the offseason with KP8 and Rudolph + some no name or late round draft pic as the 3 QBs to compete, it's hard for me to imagine a scenario where KP8 isn't QB1 entering the 2024 season. He would have to look like complete garbage in camp for Tomlin to give up on him, IMO. He might have a relatively short leash though, with Mason as the backup in waiting.

If we go into the offseason with KP8 and Rudolph and a top dollar free agent like Kirk Cousins, then Kirk is going to be QB1. KP8 probably the backup. Mason as QB3. Just like we started 2022 with Mitch. We're not paying a free agent to sit behind Kenny.

The only way I see Mason staying with the Steelers is if there isn't a lot of interest elsewhere.

Absolutely.
The Steelers most likely and best case scenario is signing cheap and going into camp with them and another camp arm or two.