2023 Steelers Season a "waste" RE: KP8 evaluation

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  • Eich
    Legend
    • Jul 2010
    • 6893

    2023 Steelers Season a "waste" RE: KP8 evaluation

    Sums up how I feel about the season with regard to our evaluation of KP8. I said it last season, that keeping Canada was going to just waste time in the evaluation of Kenny



    PITTSBURGH (93.7 The Fan) ? It wasn?t losing to the Bills in the playoffs or losing TJ Watt for that game. It wasn?t the injuries to Cam Heyward, Minkah Fitzpatrick, the middle linebackers. None of that is the worst part of the 2023 season.

    The biggest waste of the 2023 season?the Steelers don?t know anything more about starting quarterback Kenny Pickett than they did at the beginning of the 2023 season.

    Sure, he started 12 games for them in 2023, but what more do we know?

    The game plan was so conservative and the offense so seemingly dysfunctional at times, how can we really know what Pickett can do. They were afraid to allow him to cut loose. It was about winning now, not building something for the future. The offense was like plugging holes in a dam without replacing the structure.

    It?s one thing to spend a rookie season figuring out what you have in your first-round quarterback. It?s even understandable trying to do that in the first half of his second season. But Pickett will go into year three with a new offensive coordinator with more questions than answers and the clock is ticking on several impactful defensive players. Plus, you only have George Pickens on a rookie deal for two more seasons.

    The Steelers coaching staff, led by Mike Tomlin-it wasn?t all on Matt Canada, coddled Pickett. They didn?t take chances down the field. It?s not to excuse Pickett, he made mistakes and could have hung in the pocket more, but it was so drilled into him about not making a mistake, how could he feel comfortable in cutting it loose?

    It helped the team short term in limiting chances and likely turnovers. What did it do for the development of the most important player on any team in any sport?

    They refused to see what Pickett could do. The only time he seemingly could be aggressive is when they trailed late and there was no choice.

    Pickett has 13 touchdowns in 25 career NFL games, this season he had SIX touchdowns in 12 games, SIX. Those are ridiculously bad numbers for a quarterback in 2023. The Steelers have one 400-yard offensive game in Pickett?s career, that was after the firing of offensive coordinator Matt Canada.

    The hopes going into the season in retaining Canada after winning the last three games, five of the last six down the stretch in 2022, was both he and Pickett would have an offseason to grow together. There was much optimism of Pickett entering the season as the unquestioned starter having the time with Canada. Nothing dissuaded that in the preseason. It clicked. It was actually perfect for the first-team offense in three exhibition games.

    You know what else happened in the preseason, the Steelers were aggressive. Once the regular season began it was a group playing with sacred money. As we found out from Tomlin after Mason Rudolph became the starter, sacred money don?t make money. He allowed his third-string quarterback to take shots, but not the one they drafted to be the franchise QB.

    Pickett could still develop in the Steelers quarterback for the next decade, but he and the team will go into 2024 not knowing.

    Yes, they won 10 games. Yes, they made the playoffs. But this was never a championship team. They tried to win now instead of building a foundation, instead they go into 2024 with a shaky house.

    2023. What a waste.
  • T.Ferguson
    Pro Bowler
    • Sep 2021
    • 2374

    #2
    Article nails it. This is yet another reason Steelers really need to move on from Tomlin, just a waste really at this point.

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    • Oviedo
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 23725

      #3
      They found out all they needed to about Pickett...he'll never be their next franchise QB

      He's another middle of the road guy, but just a guy
      "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 23808

        #4
        Originally posted by Oviedo
        They found out all they needed to about Pickett...he'll never be their next franchise QB

        He's another middle of the road guy, but just a guy
        If I had to bet, this is where I'd place my money.

        But I'd feel better about the wager if we had more than 6 quarters of him away from Canada.

        I agree that we would know more about Pickett if we had a decent OC this season and KP didn't miss so much time.

        But I think the article assumes that it was only the scheme hindering Pickett. I personally believe that arrow points in both direction. With Pickett limiting what we could do scheme wise as well.

        It says the team "refused to see what Pickett could do". But I don't think that's fully true. I think they gave him some chances. And he generally didn't do much to earn more freedom. I think they want him to show he can walk before they make him run.

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        • T.Ferguson
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 2374

          #5
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
          But I think the article assumes that it was only the scheme hindering Pickett. I personally believe that arrow points in both direction. With Pickett limiting what we could do scheme wise as well.
          What evidence is there of that? I feel like we were watching difference offenses under Canada.

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          • NorthCoast
            Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 25845

            #6
            1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
            2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
            3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
            4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
            5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.

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            • brothervad
              Pro Bowler
              • Dec 2008
              • 1911

              #7
              Originally posted by Oviedo
              They found out all they needed to about Pickett...he'll never be their next franchise QB

              He's another middle of the road guy, but just a guy
              The problem is (and I am not being critical) you and a subset of we have found out all we need to about Pickett.

              "They" don't agree and are using next year to find out what you and some of we already know.

              Brothervad

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              • Buzz
                Legend
                • Dec 2017
                • 8233

                #8
                Originally posted by brothervad
                The problem is (and I am not being critical) you and a subset of we have found out all we need to about Pickett.

                "They" don't agree and are using next year to find out what you and some of we already know.

                Brothervad
                I do think the Steelers braintrust does still believe that Kenny may be the answer at QB
                yes, he will have another season to show if he is

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23725

                  #9
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
                  2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
                  3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
                  4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
                  5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.
                  I'll add: 6. Durability/injury concerns

                  Doesn't add up to the next Big Ben
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • Captain Lemming
                    Legend
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 15964

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                    If I had to bet, this is where I'd place my money.

                    But I'd feel better about the wager if we had more than 6 quarters of him away from Canada.

                    I agree that we would know more about Pickett if we had a decent OC this season and KP didn't miss so much time.

                    But I think the article assumes that it was only the scheme hindering Pickett. I personally believe that arrow points in both direction. With Pickett limiting what we could do scheme wise as well.

                    It says the team "refused to see what Pickett could do". But I don't think that's fully true. I think they gave him some chances. And he generally didn't do much to earn more freedom. I think they want him to show he can walk before they make him run.
                    Start of game one versus the Niners-
                    pass
                    pass
                    sack
                    punt

                    Run
                    pass
                    pass deep- Interception

                    Third drive
                    pass
                    run
                    Pass deep incomplete
                    punt

                    4th drive
                    pass
                    pass
                    sack

                    Per Pro Football Reference Kenny threw 7 deep passes in that game.
                    1 was completed
                    2 were picked
                    4 were incomplete

                    We clearly came out with THE INTENT of trusting Kenny just as we did in the preseason. It was an EPIC FAIL.

                    Should Canada have gotten fired last offseason? ABSOLUTELY.

                    But not letting Kenny kill our season before it gets started just to appease fans who would call for Tomlins head AND HAVE A CASE to be fired?

                    I am sorry but while I know some want to know if Kenny is the guy for the benefit of THE NEXT COACH, but I am sorry to say, career suicide is not on Tomlins agenda.
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                    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                    TCFCLTC-
                    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                    • Northern_Blitz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 23808

                      #11
                      Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                      What evidence is there of that? I feel like we were watching difference offenses under Canada.
                      Everyone said that the scheme couldn't change and not to expect big differences with new play callers.

                      But the offense looked worlds different when Mason stepped under center.

                      I guess I just don't think they'd throw that ball to Pickens to get the first down at the end of the game with Kenny. I think we'd run, run, run. Take as much time as we could. Make the D win the game.

                      I know I can be wrong on this and there isn't much data with either QB under Faulkner/Sullivan. But that play made me believe that the team and the HC trusted Mason more than Kenny. So they called the game differently.

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23808

                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthCoast
                        1. We learned that KP is still sketchy in the RZ.
                        2. We learned he still exits clean pockets.
                        3. We learned he frequently struggles to read a defense.
                        4. We learned he misses open receivers on plays.
                        5. We learned he is probably not a QB that will carry the team but instead they will have to carry him with a good run game and defense.
                        Unless these aren't the answers you want. Then we can blame Canada for all of this.

                        If Kenny didn't get hurt, we'd have more data to support / refute these ideas away from Canada.

                        But if Kenny doesn't get hurt, Mason is probably out of the league next season.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23808

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                          Start of game one versus the Niners-
                          pass
                          pass
                          sack
                          punt

                          Run
                          pass
                          pass deep- Interception

                          Third drive
                          pass
                          run
                          Pass deep incomplete
                          punt

                          4th drive
                          pass
                          pass
                          sack

                          Per Pro Football Reference Kenny threw 7 deep passes in that game.
                          1 was completed
                          2 were picked
                          4 were incomplete

                          We clearly came out with THE INTENT of trusting Kenny just as we did in the preseason. It was an EPIC FAIL.

                          Should Canada have gotten fired last offseason? ABSOLUTELY.

                          But not letting Kenny kill our season before it gets started just to appease fans who would call for Tomlins head AND HAVE A CASE to be fired?

                          I am sorry but while I know some want to know if Kenny is the guy for the benefit of THE NEXT COACH, but I am sorry to say, career suicide is not on Tomlins agenda.
                          There are other examples if we go through the season. I think we tried to give Kenny chances (in an admittedly bad system). But he didn't do much with them. He did have some nice 4Q comebacks. But in those games, there were multiple times were we went whole quarters without a first down.

                          It's not all on Kenny. But it's not all on Canada either.

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                          • T.Ferguson
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Sep 2021
                            • 2374

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                            Everyone said that the scheme couldn't change and not to expect big differences with new play callers.

                            But the offense looked worlds different when Mason stepped under center.

                            I guess I just don't think they'd throw that ball to Pickens to get the first down at the end of the game with Kenny. I think we'd run, run, run. Take as much time as we could. Make the D win the game.

                            I know I can be wrong on this and there isn't much data with either QB under Faulkner/Sullivan. But that play made me believe that the team and the HC trusted Mason more than Kenny. So they called the game differently.
                            We really don't given the offense never changed under Canada and the first game without Canada KP somehow had one of his best games as a pro. The MOF is actually used, there are downfield passes, etc. I mean we could go back and forth over this but one thing is for certain it's a total team and coaching failure that Canada was OC for almost 3 seasons. That's on Tomlin and/or Rooney.

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 23808

                              #15
                              Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                              We really don't given the offense never changed under Canada and the first game without Canada KP somehow had one of his best games as a pro. The MOF is actually used, there are downfield passes, etc. I mean we could go back and forth over this but one thing is for certain it's a total team and coaching failure that Canada was OC for almost 3 seasons. That's on Tomlin and/or Rooney.
                              Kenny had a very similar game against the Bengals under Canada last season (where we scored points!). Followed by the season we saw this year.

                              He was only in for a half (2 offensive plays less than a half) against Arizona. But that looked like more of the same. ~70 yards passing. Got into the red zone. Couldn't score (in 3 downs anyway). Maybe he would have converted on 4th. But, there's not much evidence to support him throwing TDs in the red zone. And we did run on 4th and fail when he was out.

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