Bench Kenny

[Terrapin]

The state of QB play in the NFL is laughable. KP is hot garbage. But how many teams have just as bad, if not worse QBs than us? You be the judge. I mean, look at some of these stiffs currently starting. Granted, many are due to injuries.

Z. Wilson
M. Jones
DTR
J. Browning
Levis
Minchew
O'Connell
Devito
Love
Fields
Ridder
Young
Lock

Honorable mentions to: Mayfield, Dobbs, Murray, Carr

[feltdizz]

The state of QB play in the NFL is laughable. KP is hot garbage. But how many teams have just as bad, if not worse QBs than us? You be the judge. I mean, look at some of these stiffs currently starting. Granted, many are due to injuries.

Z. Wilson
M. Jones
DTR
J. Browning
Levis
Minchew
O'Connell
Devito
Love
Fields
Ridder
Young
Lock

Honorable mentions to: Mayfield, Dobbs, Murray, Carr

Fields was actually decent yesterday. I think he needs better coaching as well that plays to his strengths.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Fields was actually decent yesterday. I think he needs better coaching as well that plays to his strengths.

The Bears are absolutely loaded with draft picks. If Fields can even come around a little things could get interesting there.

[Flasteel]

But this goes to my point. Benching Kenny NOW does not bring April any closer to do that.

If you are convinced Kenny will continue struggling, playing Kenny through the season will make it clearer that we need to prioritize drafting a QB.

This is it right here. I think we need to get a new play-caller and see if there is any improvement to Pickett's game. It's a tough decision to bail on a number one QB after just two seasons. You need to be sure it's not just Canada and the play-calling before pulling the plug.

[NorthCoast]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...39ca&ei=10

Steelers should consider benching Kenny Pickett for Mitch Trubisky
The Steelers should actually consider dumping Matt Canada for another coordinator. But, that won't happen. Desperate times, desperate measures. Mike Tomlin continues to invent excuses for Kenny Pickett, but the 25-year-old has done little this season to reassure the fanbase that he was actually "handed down by the football gods" to save Pittsburgh football.

Pickett completed 15-of-28 passes for 106 yards with a 62.5 QB rating in the Steelers' loss. The Browns' defense is abnormally strong, but this has become a weekly trend for Pickett. He threw for 126 yards last week. The week before, 160 yards. Maybe the Steelers should pivot to their more experienced backup, Mitchell Trubisky.

It's natural to shudder at the thought. Trubisky, a former No. 2 pick turned enemy of the state in Illinois, has been relegated to backup duties for a reason. He made the Pro Bowl was back in his second NFL season, but it has been a precipitous decline since. He fell out of favor in Chicago, made a brief QB2 pit stop in Buffalo, then found himself as the Steelers' reserve.

Trubisky has appeared in two games this season, completing 18-of-32 pass attempts for 156 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions. Not great, Bob, but perhaps an extended leash and the confidence of his coaching staff could unlock improved results as the starter. The Steelers' offense is stuck in mud right now. Unless the team plans to let their postseason hopes gradually fade away, it's hard to justify a sustained investment in Pickett, beyond the simple fact that there isn't a great alternative on the roster.

There's a chance he falls flat in the same ill-fated offensive setup as his younger teammate, but Trubisky at least has legitimate NFL experience. He's not a no-name rookie or a complete non-entity. If there's a belief that he could deliver even marginal improvements over the current product, the Steelers' coaching staff should consider the change. Let Pickett use it as motivation.

[NorthCoast]

our D was a problem on the last drive.

they didn't have to give up a FG drive.

Don't deflect on the real problem. Defense gave up 13 pts to an offense averaging 23 pts/gm.

PIT offense now (minus defensive TDs) is averaging 15 pts/gm. And it's laughable now about the preseason dreams of scoring in mid-20s per game.

[Steel Maniac]

Don't deflect on the real problem. Defense gave up 13 pts to an offense averaging 23 pts/gm.

PIT offense now (minus defensive TDs) is averaging 15 pts/gm. And it's laughable now about the preseason dreams of scoring in mid-20s per game.

Yeah...looking back on that, it sounds super silly thinking we could get to 20 points or more a game.

[hawaiiansteel]

Yeah...looking back on that, it sounds super silly thinking we could get to 20 points or more a game.

yup, and that's exactly what you predicted.

I knew we were going to lose as soon as I saw your 20-10 Steelers prediction. can you please start picking the other team?

[brothervad]

Don't deflect on the real problem. Defense gave up 13 pts to an offense averaging 23 pts/gm.

PIT offense now (minus defensive TDs) is averaging 15 pts/gm. And it's laughable now about the preseason dreams of scoring in mid-20s per game.

Yep 15.2 ppg (two defensive TD's puts it at 16.6 total ppg)

So I have said before that the Tomlin model of minimize Offensive mistakes first and foremost will likely ensure your data points will map close to that 9-8 winning record and within that playoff hunt, but it will also put so much pressure on the defense to always be perfect.

One drive...and it's "the D's bad" that last drive was only 48 yards (hell even the first TD drive was 50 yards, half a field making it as easy as possible for a rookie QB I guess)...tell me 12 drives 2 TD's, 1 FG, 1 Int and 8 punts. Until that last drive the Steeler Offense was outgaining the Cleveland Offense.

The 9 non-scoring drives yielded the Browns a total of 105 yards !
And to add 4 of those 9 drives yielded less than 10 yards and 1 of the drives was negative (-4 yards).
So over 55% of those drives were 3 and outs or less.

This is my biggest problem with the Tomlin philosophy...his BS comment about the picks last week not being the type that change the field..."What!?"
He actually expects the D to be his O and that is ridiculous.

The D did their job. And when you live with the philosophy that the D must carry the weight it will result in games like yesterday.

Brothervad

[passhappy]

out of those 6 how many were won by the D?
Kenny is rattled, sit him for a game to see and regroup
if mitch and mason are good enough to win games and move the O down the field, then you know its Kenny
if they look as lost as Kenny then its Canada and coach T...ONE FOR DESIGNING THE PLAY AND THE OTHER FOR LETTING HIM RUN IT
naj is not our best back, but we act like he is....who is calling that?
kenny has 3 options, outside the numbers LFT...RT and wr screens ....thats it....airtime 10 yds from LOS....he is missing/ not seeing the whole field, or is but not aloud to throw it there
whats going to change if you continue as is? end of yr you still dont know what you got BECAUSE no changes were made to try different things
we moved canada to the sidelines big F'IN deal...thats it!!
if this was baseball you would pull your starter pitcher to see if someone else can do better, you are not cutting him, just some days you might suck, you dont let your team down by playing a different player

[Steel Maniac]

We are between a hammer and an Anvil.

[papillon]

We are between a hammer and an Anvil.

As long as no one is swinging the hammer we'll be okay.

Pappy

[hawaiiansteel]

Don't deflect on the real problem. Defense gave up 13 pts to an offense averaging 23 pts/gm.

PIT offense now (minus defensive TDs) is averaging 15 pts/gm. And it's laughable now about the preseason dreams of scoring in mid-20s per game.

I agree.

hard to blame the defense when they only gave up a FG in the 2nd half and 13 points total.

not gonna win too many games only scoring 10 points.

[feltdizz]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...39ca&ei=10

Steelers should consider benching Kenny Pickett for Mitch Trubisky
The Steelers should actually consider dumping Matt Canada for another coordinator. But, that won't happen. Desperate times, desperate measures. Mike Tomlin continues to invent excuses for Kenny Pickett, but the 25-year-old has done little this season to reassure the fanbase that he was actually "handed down by the football gods" to save Pittsburgh football.

Pickett completed 15-of-28 passes for 106 yards with a 62.5 QB rating in the Steelers' loss. The Browns' defense is abnormally strong, but this has become a weekly trend for Pickett. He threw for 126 yards last week. The week before, 160 yards. Maybe the Steelers should pivot to their more experienced backup, Mitchell Trubisky.

It's natural to shudder at the thought. Trubisky, a former No. 2 pick turned enemy of the state in Illinois, has been relegated to backup duties for a reason. He made the Pro Bowl was back in his second NFL season, but it has been a precipitous decline since. He fell out of favor in Chicago, made a brief QB2 pit stop in Buffalo, then found himself as the Steelers' reserve.

Trubisky has appeared in two games this season, completing 18-of-32 pass attempts for 156 yards, one touchdown, and two interceptions. Not great, Bob, but perhaps an extended leash and the confidence of his coaching staff could unlock improved results as the starter. The Steelers' offense is stuck in mud right now. Unless the team plans to let their postseason hopes gradually fade away, it's hard to justify a sustained investment in Pickett, beyond the simple fact that there isn't a great alternative on the roster.

There's a chance he falls flat in the same ill-fated offensive setup as his younger teammate, but Trubisky at least has legitimate NFL experience. He's not a no-name rookie or a complete non-entity. If there's a belief that he could deliver even marginal improvements over the current product, the Steelers' coaching staff should consider the change. Let Pickett use it as motivation.

lmao.. I?m sorry but as soon as they said 1 TD and 2 INTs I stopped reading.

Play Rudolph before Trubisky.

and the QB room has little athleticism. That is an issue and why I liked Dobbs. We got some stiffs and unless we are throwing deep I have no confidence things will be better with Mitch or MR.

Mitch throws some of the most painful INT?s at the worst times.

[Mick'sTeam]

lmao.. not sure why anyone is trying to defend Levis. I know folks wanted him to be another QB to use against Kenny but dude threw 2 garbage time TD's when they were down 27-0.

He isn't it.. maybe he will be but folks jumped the gun way too early off that first game. That offense went 8 quarters without a TD. This is the problem with wanting a breakout game to feel good about the offense. We just need Kenny to get back to throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game and I think we can win 10 to 11 games with our schedule.

I'm not defending Levis, the point is that TN at least recognized early that Willis wasn't the guy, and took a shot on another. And while we all sit here and trash Levis, an argument can be made that he's at minimum as good as Pickett.
This was not intended to be a post defending Levis. It's 100% about recognizing you missed on a guy, and quickly look to find another. It's difficult to find the right guy, and at this point, continuing to try and find the right one is the path the Steelers should be taking.
Firing Canada and replacing Pickett aren't mutually exclusive. Last - throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD may win 10 to 11 games on the regular season schedule. But I struggle to think that level of QB play does anything for us in the playoffs.