I've Lost All Faith in the Steelers Except For:

[Captain Lemming]

Okay, then I'll rephrase my last statement. If any of us had underachieved over the course of 7 years as much as he has, with zero evidence of growth or change, we would've lost our jobs well before now. With the talent he's had during his tenure, making it to a 3rd or 4th Super Bowl was certainly possible. But I understand that's not an easy thing to achieve. However, zero playoff wins in 6 years is a joke.

Will you hate me if I call you MIKES Team by mistake ?

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Okay, then I'll rephrase my last statement. If any of us had underachieved over the course of 7 years as much as he has, with zero evidence of growth or change, we would've lost our jobs well before now. With the talent he's had during his tenure, making it to a 3rd or 4th Super Bowl was certainly possible. But I understand that's not an easy thing to achieve. However, zero playoff wins in 6 years is a joke.

you think last year's team UNDER achieved? Or what about the year when Ben was hurt and we had the Duck/Mason show? I'm not saying that there's an "excuse" annually, but there have been some years where they squeezed more out of the team than i would have expected.

But, since we're trying to go to laymans jobs, i would think of it this way.

Let's say I'm the manager for a team of assembly line workers. My team is actually doing pretty well, but the guy who paints at the end is messing up. I've tried a couple of times to replace this position, but I have had bad luck with painters.

Is that on the painter who misrepresented his skills or on me for hiring them? And how many failed painters before you decide that I just don't know how to hire one?

[feltdizz]

Been at my job for 1 1/2 yrs. Struggled the first 9 months....but this yr I've hit my numbers and bonuses. However there are some areas lacking .... the Big Boss wants to meet with me next week. He's going to tell me I'm not here to go 9-8..... He wants some Big Game victories.

Now let’s reverse this. If you overachieved and hit all your quotas and bonuses the first year and then slipped the last 4 months are you on the hot seat or will you be given time to bounce back?

[WindyCitySteel]

Now let?s reverse this. If you overachieved and hit all your quotas and bonuses the first year and then slipped the last 4 months are you on the hot seat or will you be given time to bounce back?

It's been longer than 4 months for Tomlin, more like 11-12 years.

That Super Bowl win was great, but it was quite fortunate. They didn't beat a single great team in that run, and it took huge individual splash plays to beat underdogs. Brady blew out a knee, the Titans team that blew out the Steelers in week 16 lost their star RB and to the Ravens in the playoffs.

That cemented a philosophy -- line up and play. Beat your man. The Steelers had the better players, mostly because the two top teams in the AFC lost key players.

Hasn't worked since.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I think they make player decisions with this in mind. That they prioritize winning over development.

But if they were genuinely about winning every week, then Canada would have stopped being our OC by the end of last season at the latest.

The Steelers win while they develop players. This was the case for years.

OC's and DC's don't win games in the NFL. Execution by players wins games. Every coach or player associated with the NFL will tell you this.

[blacknblue80s]

The Steelers win while they develop players. This was the case for years.

OC's and DC's don't win games in the NFL. Execution by players wins games. Every coach or player associated with the NFL will tell you this.

I've been hearing a bit of both from former players. Wolfley and Moats both blame player execution. Starks admits it's both. Ryan Clark, former all pro WR Steve Smith, Former GM Doug Whaley all have blasted Matt Canada. Doug Whaley said Canada wasn't qualified to be a coordinator in the NFL.

It's hard to not believe coordinators help win games in the nfl.

Just look at the Ravens success after firing Cam Cameron and installing Jim Caldwell back in 2012.

[feltdizz]

It's been longer than 4 months for Tomlin, more like 11-12 years.

That Super Bowl win was great, but it was quite fortunate. They didn't beat a single great team in that run, and it took huge individual splash plays to beat underdogs. Brady blew out a knee, the Titans team that blew out the Steelers in week 16 lost their star RB and to the Ravens in the playoffs.

That cemented a philosophy -- line up and play. Beat your man. The Steelers had the better players, mostly because the two top teams in the AFC lost key players.

Hasn't worked since.

lmao, now we are downplaying SBs??

I’ll give you the last 6 or 7 years but saying 11 or 12 is delusional. That is basically saying after the GB loss its been all downhill and that isn’t true.

[WindyCitySteel]

lmao, now we are downplaying SBs??

I?ll give you the last 6 or 7 years but saying 11 or 12 is delusional. That is basically saying after the GB loss its been all downhill and that isn?t true.

Sorry, but it's an uncomfortable truth. If Brady stays healthy or Chris Jones doesn't go down in the playoffs, they likely are stuck on 5.

Tomlin's best playoff win was over Baltimore in 2010.

His entire career was built on having players who could bail out the lack of game planning, and that luck has run out.

[Captain Lemming]

Sorry, but it's an uncomfortable truth. If Brady stays healthy or Chris Jones doesn't go down in the playoffs, they likely are stuck on 5.

Tomlin's best playoff win was over Baltimore in 2010.

His entire career was built on having players who could bail out the lack of game planning, and that luck has run out.

You are describing this FRANCHISE Windy. Nobody in the history of the league was the beneficiary of an obscene accumulation of talent than Noll.

Those players retired and he was mortal.

[NorthCoast]

Sorry, but it's an uncomfortable truth. If Brady stays healthy or Chris Jones doesn't go down in the playoffs, they likely are stuck on 5.

Tomlin's best playoff win was over Baltimore in 2010.

His entire career was built on having players who could bail out the lack of game planning, and that luck has run out.

So the players mattered for the other teams but not the Steelers?

[feltdizz]

Sorry, but it's an uncomfortable truth. If Brady stays healthy or Chris Jones doesn't go down in the playoffs, they likely are stuck on 5.

Tomlin's best playoff win was over Baltimore in 2010.

His entire career was built on having players who could bail out the lack of game planning, and that luck has run out.

now use that same logic for years when Bell and Shazier and others were injured.

maybe those other teams coaches should’ve been able to overcome their injuries instead of making excuses?

[WindyCitySteel]

now use that same logic for years when Bell and Shazier and others were injured.

maybe those other teams coaches should’ve been able to overcome their injuries instead of making excuses?

The Steelers were never the best team with those two, but yes those injuries hurt. Might have another playoff win or two with them. Don't see how the Steelers get past the Pats with the disparity at QB and coaching staff, though.

If it makes you feel better, the 1979 team had a similar bit of luck, not facing the Charger team that annihilated them and playing the weakest of the NFC playoff teams minus their starting QB.

[feltdizz]

The Steelers were never the best team with those two, but yes those injuries hurt. Might have another playoff win or two with them. Don't see how the Steelers get past the Pats with the disparity at QB and coaching staff, though.

if Bell was healthy we had a chance vs the Pats. Dude was running wild that postseason.

Shazier’s injury was huge too. Seeing your teammate paralyzed on the ground changes your priorities. Look how the Bills folded after Hamlin’s injury last year.

[Captain Lemming]

if Bell was healthy we had a chance vs the Pats. Dude was running wild that postseason.

Shazier’s injury was huge too. Seeing your teammate paralyzed on the ground changes your priorities. Look how the Bills folded after Hamlin’s injury last year.

Nah on Bell. He could look like Jim Brown but can’t stop a Lacrosse player from looking like Jerry Rice on the other side.

Shazier? Yes, I can see him being the difference in winning and losing.

Nevertheless, losing ONE good and not great player, is no excuse for allowing 45 points.

[feltdizz]

Nah on Bell. He could look like Jim Brown but can’t stop a Lacrosse player from looking like Jerry Rice on the other side.

Shazier? Yes, I can see him being the difference in winning and losing.

Nevertheless, losing ONE good and not great player, is no excuse for allowing 45 points.

You don't have to chase a lacross player that much if he is on the sideline watching Bell run wild

337 rushing yards in 2 playoff games? Would've been a totally different game with Bell on the field. He had 150 total yards in the first game but we lost with Landry Jones at QB