There's a fine line

[crushedspirit]

As for Jawaan, he got away with that last season as well with the Jags. Lane Johnson is another one who gets away with it in Philly, although Taylor looked to exploit it more than ever last night.

League needs to get on that.

[Chucktownsteeler]

You have a chance to beat KC when you have a pass rush without blitzing. DET was all over Mahomes and that is with KC blatantly cheating on nearly every offensive snap. Lewan was literally line up in the backfield to block Hutchinson and it was never called the whole game. He was also false starting on half his snaps. It's the only way he was going to keep Hutch from stomping all over Mahomes. If that doesn't get attention from the league this week then it signals their bias with KC.

Money post.

[Shawn]

Best part about that game was seeing the formula used to beat KC. It's not winning a shootout.

Detroit won TOP with 32 minutes and change and actually out gained KC in total yards.

Also hard to win when you give up 6 on a turnover.

Hmm so maybe an O built on a strong running game and beastly D can win a SB in the modern NFL

[papillon]

Lions deserve credit. They got pressure and made plays. Also ran the ball downhill when KC knew it on that game winning TD drive.

No doubt, much credit to Campbell and the Lions, I'm just saying that there wasn't a great disparity in TOP (it helped for sure) but that Kelce's absence was the biggest factor in the outcome of the game.

Pappy

[Shawn]

You have a chance to beat KC when you have a pass rush without blitzing. DET was all over Mahomes and that is with KC blatantly cheating on nearly every offensive snap. Lewan was literally line up in the backfield to block Hutchinson and it was never called the whole game. He was also false starting on half his snaps. It's the only way he was going to keep Hutch from stomping all over Mahomes. If that doesn't get attention from the league this week then it signals their bias with KC.

Yes, just like the Giants figured out beating Brady in the SB getting consistent pressure with 4.

[LPMAN]

I would have to say that the Chiefs play this "style" overall every game. What they don't do every game is drop 4 easy catches and one turning into a pick 6. The Chiefs looked like the Chiefs but were undone by mistakes, sh!t happens.

Pappy

Well what Felt replied to was a post that said KC gifted them a TD & the wides played pittiful dropping everything. So i disagreed the Chiefs don't play that way most games. Mahomes doesn't usually have pick 6's & the wides usually catch most easy catches & they usually score a lot more points.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Didn't TB beat the Chiefs in the SB with a strong front 4?

[Oviedo]

Hmm so maybe an O built on a strong running game and beastly D can win a SB in the modern NFL

what a crazy non-fantasy football view of the game

what team would be crazy enough to take that approach

[WindyCitySteel]

You know how they DONT LOSE? They NEVER EVER lose in a shootout. I have brought facts and figures before to prove that.

We are creating a team DESIGNED TO force mistakes on high powered offenses. Built right, this is not happenstance.

Ravens, Bucs, Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, Broncos all defeated elite offenses by ENGINEERING mistakes.

Tomlin has been a part of not one but TWO of those teams that won the SB beating offensive juggernauts that way.

You CANNOT BEAT MAHOMMES by BEING Mahommes.

A GREAT DEFENSE CAN force ANY offense to play poorly.

Before you suggest it has not happened recently, I would suggest teams foolishly are pretty much ALL trying to beat KC at its own game.

Burrow and Brady HAVE beat Mahommes in the post season. Notice EVEN THOSE WINS were more about limiting KC than outgunning them.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. They lose high-scoring games every year. If you don't have the D to stop them, playing keepaway on offense isn't the answer.

Teams aren't trying to get into high scoring games with them, but if you can't stop them you'd better be able to score, you can't answer TDs with 6-minute FG drives.

CL: "KC never loses shootouts"

Shootouts lost by year:

2018: 37-31, 38-31, 29-28, 54-51, 43-40
2019: 35-32, 31-24, 31-24
2020: 32-30, 38-21
2021: 27-24, 34-31, 38-20, 30-24, 36-35
2022: 27-24

These are the vast majority of their losses in the Mahomes era.

[Captain Lemming]

I don't think you know what you're talking about. They lose high-scoring games every year. If you don't have the D to stop them, playing keepaway on offense isn't the answer.

Teams aren't trying to get into high scoring games with them, but if you can't stop them you'd better be able to score, you can't answer TDs with 6-minute FG drives.

CL: "KC never loses shootouts"

Shootouts lost by year:

2018: 37-31, 38-31, 29-28, 54-51, 43-40
2019: 35-32, 31-24, 31-24
2020: 32-30, 38-21
2021: 27-24, 34-31, 38-20, 30-24, 36-35
2022: 27-24

These are the vast majority of their losses in the Mahomes era.

My bad, top of head on old research and forgot the specificity of my point. In the playoffs (where everyone’s concern is) they were they don’t lose shootouts.

If you note the examples given that was supposed to be the context.

I think Mahommes first playoff loss was an exception but their seasons typically end when teams slow them down, not by being outscored.

But yes, in the regular season you are correct.

[Steel Maniac]

Didn't TB beat the Chiefs in the SB with a strong front 4?

Chiefs O-line got decimated along the way and TB took full advantage of that.

[WindyCitySteel]

My bad, top of head on old research and forgot the specificity of my point. In the playoffs (where everyone?s concern is) they were they don?t lose shootouts.

If you note the examples given that was supposed to be the context.

I think Mahommes first playoff loss was an exception but their seasons typically end when teams slow them down, not by being outscored.

But yes, in the regular season you are correct.

All good. Hey, sorry for being snarky, work sucks a lot lately, no end in sight. Just happy football season is here.

[NorthCoast]

I don't think you know what you're talking about. They lose high-scoring games every year. If you don't have the D to stop them, playing keepaway on offense isn't the answer.

Teams aren't trying to get into high scoring games with them, but if you can't stop them you'd better be able to score, you can't answer TDs with 6-minute FG drives.

CL: "KC never loses shootouts"

Shootouts lost by year:

2018: 37-31, 38-31, 29-28, 54-51, 43-40
2019: 35-32, 31-24, 31-24
2020: 32-30, 38-21
2021: 27-24, 34-31, 38-20, 30-24, 36-35
2022: 27-24

These are the vast majority of their losses in the Mahomes era.

I agree with your post.

[Captain Lemming]

All good. Hey, sorry for being snarky, work sucks a lot lately, no end in sight. Just happy football season is here.

I deserved the snark bro. Felt like an idiot when you listed all those games.