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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26640

    2023 Receiving Offense

    There were a total 548 targets by the Steelers in 2022.

    My thoughts on what the 2023 passing offense should look like.

    DJ's targets take a huge hit this year at the expense of players that can produce a lot more YAC.

    Player 2022 %tgts 2023 %tgts
    DJ 27% 17%
    GPickens 15% 16%
    Muth 18% 13%
    ARII --- 12%
    NHarris 10% 8%
    JWarren 6% 8%
    CClaypool 9% ---
    CHeyward 3% 8%
    DWashington --- 8%
    CAustin 0% 6%
    ZGentry 4% 0%
    Sims 4% ---
    Note also that total pass attempts may fall if the Steelers go 'ground and pound' in the majority of games.
  • The Man of Steel
    Pro Bowler
    • Dec 2009
    • 2241

    #2
    So Anthony Miller doesn’t make the team then?
    Obviously the standard is the standard.

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26640

      #3
      Originally posted by The Man of Steel
      So Anthony Miller doesn’t make the team then?
      He is third string at best and any targets will be part of the noise... (from the total shown there's another 5% TBD).

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 24382

        #4
        Originally posted by The Man of Steel
        So Anthony Miller doesn’t make the team then?
        He's on the bubble for sure.

        I think the WR group will be interesting at the low end in camp.

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        • Iron City Inc.
          Hall of Famer
          • Jun 2013
          • 3242

          #5
          Miller n Olszewski should be part of a super competitive camp. Where they will finish TBD. Gunner is okay at punt returns but he brings very little as a wr. Had 5 catches last year. Miller is a true unknown at this point in his career. He has to stay healthy.
          Special team play will likely be the deciding factor with the last 2 receiver spots.

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          • Northern_Blitz
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 24382

            #6
            Originally posted by Iron City Inc.
            Miller n Olszewski should be part of a super competitive camp. Where they will finish TBD. Gunner is okay at punt returns but he brings very little as a wr. Had 5 catches last year. Miller is a true unknown at this point in his career. He has to stay healthy.
            Special team play will likely be the deciding factor with the last 2 receiver spots.
            I really hope we don't bring Gunner back.

            He'd be a good punt returner, but fumbles lose games (and maybe we make the playoffs without the one against the Pats).

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            • Blitzer
              Pro Bowler
              • Nov 2022
              • 1073

              #7
              I am hoping Pickens gets more than 16% of the targets. The guy should blow up this year.

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              • Steelerphile
                Pro Bowler
                • Dec 2008
                • 1198

                #8
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                There were a total 548 targets by the Steelers in 2022.

                My thoughts on what the 2023 passing offense should look like.

                DJ's targets take a huge hit this year at the expense of players that can produce a lot more YAC.

                Player 2022 %tgts 2023 %tgts
                DJ 27% 17%
                GPickens 15% 16%
                Muth 18% 13%
                ARII --- 12%
                NHarris 10% 8%
                JWarren 6% 8%
                CClaypool 9% ---
                CHeyward 3% 8%
                DWashington --- 8%
                CAustin 0% 6%
                ZGentry 4% 0%
                Sims 4% ---
                Note also that total pass attempts may fall if the Steelers go 'ground and pound' in the majority of games.
                Something that you do so well is find these type of stats and post them on this site. There was something I was wondering if you could research. Some posters mock Matt Canada by sarcastically saying he will run a jet sweep in any situation with players who aren't suited. But my impression that the jet sweep, being a staple of the Canada offense, was mostly a successful play. I personally like that play. Can you find any stats on the times the Steelers ran jet sweeps, who ran them and how well they worked?

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                • NorthCoast
                  Legend
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26640

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Steelerphile
                  Something that you do so well is find these type of stats and post them on this site. There was something I was wondering if you could research. Some posters mock Matt Canada by sarcastically saying he will run a jet sweep in any situation with players who aren't suited. But my impression that the jet sweep, being a staple of the Canada offense, was mostly a successful play. I personally like that play. Can you find any stats on the times the Steelers ran jet sweeps, who ran them and how well they worked?
                  Thanks Steelerphile. I try to post stuff that might get a conversation on both sides. To your question, I haven't seen such a play breakdown available. Mostly seen breakdowns by personnel. If I find something I will throw it out here.

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                  • NorthCoast
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 26640

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Blitzer
                    I am hoping Pickens gets more than 16% of the targets. The guy should blow up this year.
                    It's not all on the OC. A lot is dependent on him learning more of the route tree.

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                    • Ghost
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 6423

                      #11
                      Jet sweeps and who gets the receptions don’t really matter if they don’t find a way to score TDS. 29 was in the lower rankings, last in their division. KC and Philly had 61 and 59. That’s on the OC.
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                      • pfelix73
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 3463

                        #12
                        Originally posted by NorthCoast
                        Thanks Steelerphile. I try to post stuff that might get a conversation on both sides. To your question, I haven't seen such a play breakdown available. Mostly seen breakdowns by personnel. If I find something I will throw it out here.
                        Every time I watch a pro team run a jet sweep, it most definitely fails. I cannot think of a time where I saw one succeed. Succeed meaning gaining more than 4 yards. Also, the flaw with them is that you are putting your WR's in harms way with trying to run one. Example- JuJu got hurt on one. Gonna run the ball, let the RB do it.
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                        • Blitzer
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Nov 2022
                          • 1073

                          #13
                          Originally posted by pfelix73
                          Every time I watch a pro team run a jet sweep, it most definitely fails. I cannot think of a time where I saw one succeed. Succeed meaning gaining more than 4 yards. Also, the flaw with them is that you are putting your WR's in harms way with trying to run one. Example- JuJu got hurt on one. Gonna run the ball, let the RB do it.
                          I recall a couple good ones last year. Didnt Conner Heyward have one to seal a game for us?

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                          • Joel Buchsbaum
                            Legend
                            • Jan 2021
                            • 7744

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            There were a total 548 targets by the Steelers in 2022.

                            My thoughts on what the 2023 passing offense should look like.

                            DJ's targets take a huge hit this year at the expense of players that can produce a lot more YAC.

                            Player 2022 %tgts 2023 %tgts
                            DJ 27% 17%
                            GPickens 15% 16%
                            Muth 18% 13%
                            ARII --- 12%
                            NHarris 10% 8%
                            JWarren 6% 8%
                            CClaypool 9% ---
                            CHeyward 3% 8%
                            DWashington --- 8%
                            CAustin 0% 6%
                            ZGentry 4% 0%
                            Sims 4% ---
                            partly
                            Note also that total pass attempts may fall if the Steelers go 'ground and pound' in the majority of games.
                            I expect Pickens to break out in year two. The QB play was holding him back, but he made several spectacular catches. He needs to broaden his rotes. A player like him should able to run to come back route well. His 2023 stats will go up. Johnson's target's will go down. His " stats " are partly the product of a bad OL which was upgraded that forced a rookie QB to throw it short so often. That will change for the better. I expect 'Muth's stats to drop a little. Warren is going to play more. His stats will rise as will Austin's. I expect Harris targets to drop. We've got some players. I told you guys we weren't going to draft any WR early.
                            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                            • Joel Buchsbaum
                              Legend
                              • Jan 2021
                              • 7744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast
                              There were a total 548 targets by the Steelers in 2022.

                              My thoughts on what the 2023 passing offense should look like.

                              DJ's targets take a huge hit this year at the expense of players that can produce a lot more YAC.

                              Player 2022 %tgts 2023 %tgts
                              DJ 27% 17%
                              GPickens 15% 16%
                              Muth 18% 13%
                              ARII --- 12%
                              NHarris 10% 8%
                              JWarren 6% 8%
                              CClaypool 9% ---
                              CHeyward 3% 8%
                              DWashington --- 8%
                              CAustin 0% 6%
                              ZGentry 4% 0%
                              Sims 4% ---
                              partly
                              Note also that total pass attempts may fall if the Steelers go 'ground and pound' in the majority of games.

                              I expect Pickens to break out in year two. The QB play was holding him back, but he made several spectacular catches. He needs to broaden his routes. A player like him should able to run to come back route well. His 2023 stats will go up. Johnson's target's will go down. His " stats " are partly the product of a bad OL which was upgraded that forced a rookie QB to throw it short so often. That will change for the better and Picket I here is bigger and stronger this year ( and he needs to be ) This will tell if he can become a good medium to deep passer, which was a weakness last year. . I expect 'Muth's stats to drop a little. Warren is going to play more. His stats will rise as will Austin's. I expect Harris targets to drop. We've got some players. I told you guys we weren't going to draft any WR early.
                              Last edited by Joel Buchsbaum; 05-08-2023, 05:26 AM.
                              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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