Hahaha

[Captain Lemming]

for style of back in todays game?

as I asked. Why use willie as the speed back?

a UDFA outperformed bettis when on the team at the same time. That?s all I said.

Use someone around where bettis was drafted.
like faulk.

I take faulk every day and twice on Sundays.

You answered Devilles question by citing Wilies SB wins which Bettis never had as a starter. That is a CAREER comparison. The clear implication is that this makes Willie better. You wanna deny that now? Fine. Be clear my friend.

You WRONGLY imply that I dodged the original question while you STILL have yet to answer the question posed by Deville directly NJ.

I will gladly answer YOUR QUESTION about Faulk once you answer the original question. It was open, not tied to any particular season. You know this.

Are you taking Willie over HOFer Bettis today as you implied originally?

[feltdizz]

Probably money $$$, if I had to guess. Also, time to have them changed when needed, a player may miss a play or 2. Just guesswork on my part.

you cant have jerseys that break away… next will be break away pants.. lol

[Captain Lemming]

for style of back in todays game?

as I asked. Why use willie as the speed back?

Deville just threw out extreme examples of former STEELERS on a Steeler forum. Not that shocking or complicated.

I really dont mind your need to move the goalposts. We can do that.

I just request you swing a kick at the original goalpost location before moving it.

[Chucktownsteeler]

you cant have jerseys that break away… next will be break away pants.. lol

Some in here would like that.

[NJ-STEELER]

Deville just threw out extreme examples of former STEELERS on a Steeler forum. Not that shocking or complicated.

I really dont mind your need to move the goalposts. We can do that.

I just request you swing a kick at the original goalpost location before moving it.

people like you and deville were down playing willies contribution.
Again. We won with willie as a starter. I mentioned it because of the way he was being looked at.
You brought up his postseason. Well what about the reg season of the SB year. You implied you would take bettis that year pointing to his post season stats. Again trying to dismiss willie’s contribution.

what hard to understand when I said it doesn’t take a football guru to look at both their careers and see who was better??
should I spell it out for you ?
B. E. T. T. I. S. had the better career and would be the one I would choose if it were between him and and undrafted free agent like Parker. Durr

[Northern_Blitz]

Might be my answer too. But what did he do related to team success? Look at Vikings year one AAP (After Adrain Petersen). You might be surprised.

It goes to my point of the real value of the position.

Terrell Davis (4.72 40 BTW) is the last HOF caliber back to start more than one (trend not anomaly) SB win.

I think that team success has been so strongly correlated to QB quality (and value) recently that no position will be all that well correlated with winning if they don't have a good QB.

The effect of QB quality is so strong that I think pretty much anything else gets lost in the noise.

And the thing is...what do teams do when they don't have a good QB? They draft the best RB they can find. Because they need offense somehow and it hides their QB if they can run a lot. At least that's my guess. I wonder if it's true if we look at QB quality of teams with the highest drafted RB every year (don't tell NJ)?

[Northern_Blitz]

Some in here would like that.

It's mostly Tomlin's pants that they talk about.

[Steel Maniac]

Some in here would like that.

Yeah..we got one particular cornball guy who'd love that. Get his skirt all a flutter. LOL

[hawaiiansteel]

Yeah..we got one particular cornball guy who'd love that. Get his skirt all a flutter. LOL

are you talking about yourself again?

[BURGH86STEEL]

I think that team success has been so strongly correlated to QB quality (and value) recently that no team will be all that well correlated to anything but QB.

The effect of QB quality is so strong that I think pretty much anything else gets lost in the noise.

Certain positions continue to earn a lot of money. Out side of FB, the RB position has probably become the most devalued.

[Captain Lemming]

I think that team success has been so strongly correlated to QB quality (and value) recently that no position will be all that well correlated with winning if they don't have a good QB.

The effect of QB quality is so strong that I think pretty much anything else gets lost in the noise.

And the thing is...what do teams do when they don't have a good QB? They draft the best RB they can find. Because they need offense somehow and it hides their QB if they can run a lot. At least that's my guess. I wonder if it's true if we look at QB quality of teams with the highest drafted RB every year (don't tell NJ)?

There is no denying the correlation between QB play and championships. But even the COMBINATION of elite QB and runningback does not give teams the edge that you?d expect.

Ben- Bell
Eli- Barber
Peyton- Faulk/Edge

These QBs have all played with elite caliber backs. These QBs have played in 8 SBs and won 6.

Zero wins in the SEVENTEEN cumulative season these multiple SB winning QBs played with elite backs.

Of all the multiple SB winning QBs of the era ONLY ONE did not play with a SINGLE ALL PRO caliber back.

The guy with SEVEN rings. Brady

To your point about EVERY POSITION being similar?

Try that same exercise with secondary player and you have some of those same QBs won with:

3 current HOFers Law, Troy, Revis. One more guaranteed HOFer (Gilmore) another with a short career playing at a a DPOY level when Peyton first won (Bob Sanders). Denvers Harris and Talib are likely JUST OUTSIDE of HOF level.

I just listed SEVEN DBs who are superior than ANY back who played with the only four QBs with multiple SB wins. Again 3 of these QBs played with ELITE BACKS IN THEIR PRIME.

The backs they won with were pretty average for the most part. A few were good NONE elite.

Brady has the most rings of any QB in history. He might be the only one who ALSO played with 3 HOF corners. I would suggest he has had THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF top caliber secondary players IN HISTORY. Plenty of others who were very good.

I do not for one minute think that it is a coincidence.

There is a clear connection between quality of secondary and elite QB success. Backs not so much.

[Captain Lemming]

people like you and deville were down playing willies contribution.
Again. We won with willie as a starter. I mentioned it because of the way he was being looked at.
You brought up his postseason. Well what about the reg season of the SB year. You implied you would take bettis that year pointing to his post season stats. Again trying to dismiss willie?s contribution.

what hard to understand when I said it doesn?t take a football guru to look at both their careers and see who was better??
should I spell it out for you ?
B. E. T. T. I. S. had the better career and would be the one I would choose if it were between him and and undrafted free agent like Parker. Durr

Id take Faulk over Bettis. I dont think it would matter too much in pursuit of a championship.