Lamar signs 5 year extension

[NJ-STEELER]

Sure it is, the types of offenses that are being run in the NFL need mobility at the QB position. Just look at Trey Lance who was taken 3rd overall having barely played in college. More of these athletic type guys are moving to the position because of the offenses being run. They now can get to the league at the QB position because they don't have to be 6'5" stand in the pocket and complete passes. New offenses have RPO and a lot of boot action.

and 9 times out of 10, teams will take that stand in the pocket qb over a mobile ( run first) qb.
tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round after being successful in college.

what did he do in the pros ?

[Steel Maniac]

and 9 times out of 10, teams will take that stand in the pocket qb over a mobile ( run first) qb.
tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round after being successful in college.

what did he do in the pros ?

boom.

the newbies act like athletic QB's just started. They've always been here. Go back and learn who Steve Grogan was. It doesn't work. And hasn't worked in 56 years of Super Bowls.

Steve Grogan
Randall Cunningham
Tim Tebow
Colin Kapernick
Michael Vick
Vince Young
Lamar Jackson

I could go on and on. I know there are a few I haven't included. Bottom line is they don't win jack.

[feltdizz]

and 9 times out of 10, teams will take that stand in the pocket qb over a mobile ( run first) qb.
tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round after being successful in college.

what did he do in the pros ?

Tim Tebow failed.. just like countless pocket QB’s drafted in the first round over the years.

[feltdizz]

boom.

the newbies act like athletic QB's just started. They've always been here. Go back and learn who Steve Grogan was. It doesn't work. And hasn't worked in 56 years of Super Bowls.

Steve Grogan
Randall Cunningham
Tim Tebow
Colin Kapernick
Michael Vick
Vince Young
Lamar Jackson

I could go on and on. I know there are a few I haven't included. Bottom line is they don't win jack.

Randall Cunningham played for 15 years

Vick played for 9 and would’ve played longer if he didn’t like fighting dogs.

Kaepernick was one pass away from a SB ring

Lamar Jackson is currently the highest paid NFL QB in the history of the game.

Jalen Hurts was just in a SB 3 months ago.

Cam Newton made it to a SB.

Russell Wilson won a SB.

Steve Young won a SB

You really think pointing out 3 or 4 QB’s who didn’t pan out is proof of something?

Pocket QB’s fail at a much higher rate.

[Eich]

what? It?s not what the nfl is looking for.

it?s what the colleges are supplying. The mobile qb is noticeably more effective in college. Always was

I do think the NFL wants mobile QBs. And it's had very successful mobile QBs for decades. But there's a difference between a mobile QB and a QB with a run-first mentality/ability.

Patrick Mahomes is a mobile QB
Rodgers is a mobile QB
Kenny is a mobile QB
Steve Young was a mobile QB

The NFL wants elite arm talented QBs who can be mobile. The ability to get yourself out of trouble is a very big advantage. Statues like Rudolph are going to have trouble against decent pass rushing defenses.

Lamar is an extremely mobile QB but he relies more on his legs than his arm. Similar to RGIII. But what happens when the legs no longer get him by?

I still say if I was building a new NFL team now and I could choose from any current QB in the league, Lamar would be way down in my list. Not even sure he'd crack my top 10 right now. That could change though. I've seen him make some pretty throws. If he's able to continue improving his passing game and not end up like Kordell and RGIII, maybe he'll break that mold.

[Eich]

Randall Cunningham played for 15 years

Vick played for 9 and would’ve played longer if he didn’t like fighting dogs.

Kaepernick was one pass away from a SB ring

Lamar Jackson is currently the highest paid NFL QB in the history of the game.

Jalen Hurts was just in a SB 3 months ago.

Cam Newton made it to a SB.

Russell Wilson won a SB.

Steve Young won a SB

You really think pointing out 3 or 4 QB’s who didn’t pan out is proof of something?

Pocket QB’s fail at a much higher rate.

A lot of those guys you listed were better passers than Lamar currently is. That could change as Lamar improves his passing skills.

But I think people are mixing up a few different categories of QBs

There are pocket passers like Tom Brady with an elite arm
There are mobile QBs like Rodgers/Mahomes, etc.. with an elite arm
There are QBs who's primary strength is running like Lamar, Vick, Kordell, RGIII

[Nouty1992]

Yes, indeed, I am also waiting for details, I have been interested in this topic for a long time

[feltdizz]

A lot of those guys you listed were better passers than Lamar currently is. That could change as Lamar improves his passing skills.

But I think people are mixing up a few different categories of QBs

There are pocket passers like Tom Brady with an elite arm
There are mobile QBs like Rodgers/Mahomes, etc.. with an elite arm
There are QBs who's primary strength is running like Lamar, Vick, Kordell, RGIII

Sure.. some were, some were not.

The point is mobile QB’s are being ushered in at a higher rate these days and more of them pass much better than players like Tebow and Vince Young.

Citing QB’s who failed won’t stop teams from drafting more of them.

SM seems to think Vince Young is the best mobile QB ever drafted so teams should abandon the idea. Some will thrive, some will fail.. just like pocket passing QB’s.

[NJ-STEELER]

Tim Tebow failed.. just like countless pocket QB?s drafted in the first round over the years.

right. It tough enough transitioning from college to the pros as an qb. Even more so for run first type of players.

you can list all the mobile qb?s you want and their success (winning championships ) is directly related to being able to throw the ball at an nfl level.
tebow couldn?t throw the ball at that level and was quickly out of the league

[NJ-STEELER]

A lot of those guys you listed were better passers than Lamar currently is. That could change as Lamar improves his passing skills.

But I think people are mixing up a few different categories of QBs

There are pocket passers like Tom Brady with an elite arm
There are mobile QBs like Rodgers/Mahomes, etc.. with an elite arm
There are QBs who's primary strength is running like Lamar, Vick, Kordell, RGIII

well said.

in the end. You better be able to throw the ball at an nfl level

[Northern_Blitz]

Talking playoffs. This is an old argument because I don?t blame Ben for playoff loses where the defense is trash. We score 35 or more the STEELERS are not supposed to lose.

My bad for leaving that out.

But feel free to use the same resource to check it out.

Mature Ben was better than young Ben and it ain?t close.

You'd really take Ben the year before the injury in a must win game over in his prime Ben?

He had good stats because we ran the "pass is the new run" offense. Not because he got better when he stopped being able to extend plays.

The Ben you like better only won playoff games when we had something like 160+ rushing yards.

[Mr.wizard]

and 9 times out of 10, teams will take that stand in the pocket qb over a mobile ( run first) qb.
tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round after being successful in college.

what did he do in the pros ?

Not in today's NFL, 9 times out of 10 they are taking the mobile QB. Not sure why you bring up Tebow, the argument isn't that all QB's who can run are good, it's the NFL values mobility because of the offenses they are running.

[Steel Maniac]

A lot of those guys you listed were better passers than Lamar currently is. That could change as Lamar improves his passing skills.

But I think people are mixing up a few different categories of QBs

There are pocket passers like Tom Brady with an elite arm
There are mobile QBs like Rodgers/Mahomes, etc.. with an elite arm
There are QBs who's primary strength is running like Lamar, Vick, Kordell, RGIII

As usual , Feltdizz is lying.

Jalen Hurts isn't a running first QB. My God...He had to WR who both went over 1000 yards in recieving. First time ever for the Eagles organazation.

As usual, Feltdizz changes stuff around to try and make someone else a wrong. Which is a thing both he and Hawaaingirl do all the time.

Just refer to the run first QB's that I listed and not the crap heckle & jeckle are talking about.

[Captain Lemming]

You'd really take Ben the year before the injury in a must win game over in his prime Ben?

He had good stats because we ran the "pass is the new run" offense. Not because he got better when he stopped being able to extend plays.

The Ben you like better only won playoff games when we had something like 160+ rushing yards.

The Ben I like better had to score 50 to win a playoff game. That is a defense problem.

The Steelers scored ONE second half TD in winning the SB versus the Cards. Ben is MAGICAL.

Dude scored 28 in the second half versus Jax and because he doesn?t score 50 and we blame Ben for the loss?

Ben was OUTSTANDING in the Jax game and better than young Ben, absolutely.

[feltdizz]

As usual , Feltdizz is lying.

Jalen Hurts isn't a running first QB. My God...He had to WR who both went over 1000 yards in recieving. First time ever for the Eagles organazation.

As usual, Feltdizz changes stuff around to try and make someone else a wrong. Which is a thing both he and Hawaaingirl do all the time.

Just refer to the run first QB's that I listed and not the crap heckle & jeckle are talking about.

Jalen Hurts had 165 rushing attempts for 750 yards and 13 TD’s.

Just because he has a nice deep ball doesn’t eliminate the fact that he is a mobile QB.

You have Randall Cunningham on your list and he only had 2 seasons with over 100 rushing attempts. He didn’t have designed runs, he was a scrambling QB.

Once again you aren’t being honest. Your list is simply made up of QB’s who you cherry picked that didn’t make SB’s.

Once a mobile QB makes a SB the narrative changes. “He can pass well so he isn’t mobile?

How does a QB throw for 36TD’s and 6 INT’s with a 66% completion percentage if he is a run first QB? 26TD’s and 9INTs the next year.. lol.