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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 27532

    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
    The Ben I like better had to score 50 to win a playoff game. That is a defense problem.

    The Steelers scored ONE second half TD in winning the SB versus the Cards. Ben is MAGICAL.

    Dude scored 28 in the second half versus Jax and because he doesn?t score 50 and we blame Ben for the loss?

    Ben was OUTSTANDING in the Jax game and better than young Ben, absolutely.
    lmao.. you are way too stuck on that one game.

    2005 playoff Ben was the best I’ve ever seen him.
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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
      • 27532

      Originally posted by Mr.wizard
      Not in today's NFL, 9 times out of 10 they are taking the mobile QB. Not sure why you bring up Tebow, the argument isn't that all QB's who can run are good, it's the NFL values mobility because of the offenses they are running.
      it's like bringing up Ryan Leaf for pocket QB's or Burns or Bush for CB and ILB as reason's not to draft another one.

      No one is saying every mobile QB will pan out. We all know the draft is still a crap shoot.
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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27532

        Originally posted by Steel Maniac
        As usual , Feltdizz is lying.

        Jalen Hurts isn't a running first QB. My God...He had to WR who both went over 1000 yards in recieving. First time ever for the Eagles organazation.

        As usual, Feltdizz changes stuff around to try and make someone else a wrong. Which is a thing both he and Hawaaingirl do all the time.

        Just refer to the run first QB's that I listed and not the crap heckle & jeckle are talking about.
        and let's do the math on Jalen Hurts rushing attempts:

        2021: 139 attempts, 785 yards in 15 games, 9.3 attempts per game
        2022: 165 attempts, 750 yards in 15 games, 11 attempts per game.

        but you put Randall Cunningham on your list when he averaged 4.8 attempts per game?

        Hawaiiangirl? See.. this is the type of stuff you do and then run to the mods asking for help acting like you are a victim.
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        • hawaiiansteel
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          • May 2008
          • 35649

          Originally posted by Steel Maniac
          As usual , Feltdizz is lying.

          Jalen Hurts isn't a running first QB. My God...He had to WR who both went over 1000 yards in recieving. First time ever for the Eagles organazation.

          As usual, Feltdizz changes stuff around to try and make someone else a wrong. Which is a thing both he and Hawaaingirl do all the time.

          Just refer to the run first QB's that I listed and not the crap heckle & jeckle are talking about.
          I see you're back to name calling, even though the mods posted new rules specifically forbidding that.

          under the new rules that's a one month ban, let's see if the mods enforce it.

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          • feltdizz
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            • May 2008
            • 27532

            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
            I see you're back to name calling, even though the mods posted new rules specifically forbidding that.

            under the new rules that's a one month ban, let's see if the mods enforce it.
            He can't handle when someone disagrees with him or exposes a flawed opinion
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            • Captain Lemming
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              • Jun 2008
              • 16041

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              lmao.. you are way too stuck on that one game.

              2005 playoff Ben was the best I?ve ever seen him.
              Good against Natti.
              Beast mode versus Denver (most flawless playoff performance in his career )
              Solid against Colts

              SB?
              Defense, one big run, and the best pass of the day from a RECEIVER separated that performance from Neil O?Donnell.

              Ben had an awesome playoff but the SB is a great example of how easy it is for a QB to win when we allow 10 despite two bad picks.

              It is possible to not give up FORTY FIVE POINTS despite a couple of turnovers.

              THAT is 100 percent of why young Ben won more than the superior mature Ben.

              His defense did not fail him by giving up FRANCHISE RECORD amounts of points when he was younger.
              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 05-17-2023, 09:26 PM.
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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27532

                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                Good against Natti.
                Beast mode versus Denver (most flawless playoff performance in his career )
                Solid against Colts

                SB?
                Defense, one big run, and the best pass of the day from a RECEIVER separated that performance from Neil O?Donnell.

                Ben had an awesome playoff but the SB is a great example of how easy it is for a QB to win when we allow 10 despite two bad picks.

                It is possible to not give up FORTY FIVE POINTS despite a couple of turnovers.

                THAT is 100 percent of why young Ben won more than the superior mature Ben.

                His defense did not fail him by giving up FRANCHISE RECORD amounts of points when he was younger.
                Bengals game: 14/19 for 208 yd 3TD's.. and we were down 10-0 in the 2nd quarter

                Colts game: 14/24 for 197 yd 2TD's and 1INT. and up 14 to 3 at the half. and don't forget the tackle.

                Denver game: 21/29 274 yd 2TD's up and we were up 24-3 at the half. He was a savage that game.

                What you fail to understand chasing points because you are down big isn't great football. That's Jameis Winston football. Throwing 60 times isn't magical.. its desperation.

                2005 playoffs was Ben's best football.
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                • NJ-STEELER
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                  • May 2008
                  • 12563

                  Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                  Not in today's NFL, 9 times out of 10 they are taking the mobile QB. Not sure why you bring up Tebow, the argument isn't that all QB's who can run are good, it's the NFL values mobility because of the offenses they are running.
                  CJ stroud had a littke over 100 yards rushing last season. In 13 games.

                  bryce? just under 200 yards rushing for the year.

                  How much did mahomes or burrows rush for in their last college seasons ??

                  you’re saying the league is drafting these guy early in the 1st round because the teams drafting them like the way they run the ball // run RPO’s ??
                  Last edited by NJ-STEELER; 05-18-2023, 04:53 AM.

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                  • Northern_Blitz
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                    • Dec 2008
                    • 24373

                    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                    The Ben I like better had to score 50 to win a playoff game. That is a defense problem.

                    The Steelers scored ONE second half TD in winning the SB versus the Cards. Ben is MAGICAL.

                    Dude scored 28 in the second half versus Jax and because he doesn?t score 50 and we blame Ben for the loss?

                    Ben was OUTSTANDING in the Jax game and better than young Ben, absolutely.
                    The problem was that having him throw that much meant that he'd score points for the other team too.

                    I'd take the Ben that won big games over the Ben that got lots of yards.

                    The Ben that could extend plays over the one that got the ball out quick.

                    The Ben that was Big Ben over the one that was an ok imitation of Brady (just with more mistakes).

                    Ben's physicality is what made him special imo. Not the box score stats.

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                    • Mr.wizard
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                      • May 2014
                      • 6686

                      Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                      As usual , Feltdizz is lying.

                      Jalen Hurts isn't a running first QB. My God...He had to WR who both went over 1000 yards in recieving. First time ever for the Eagles organazation.

                      As usual, Feltdizz changes stuff around to try and make someone else a wrong. Which is a thing both he and Hawaaingirl do all the time.

                      Just refer to the run first QB's that I listed and not the crap heckle & jeckle are talking about.
                      Dude, 2021 Lamar Jackson had 2 1000yd receivers, Marquise Brown and Mark Andrews.

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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 27532

                        Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                        CJ stroud had a littke over 100 yards rushing last season. In 13 games.

                        bryce? just under 200 yards rushing for the year.

                        How much did mahomes or burrows rush for in their last college seasons ??

                        you’re saying the league is drafting these guy early in the 1st round because the teams drafting them like the way they run the ball // run RPO’s ??
                        What’s funny about Stroud is his stock shot up after he showed he could run vs Georgia in the playoff game.

                        One of the knocks on him is that he wouldn’t run for first downs when he had wide open space.

                        I think everyone understands why Bryce doesn’t run a lot. Dude is tiny.. but he is extremely mobile at extending plays, he’s similar to Mahomes in that department.
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                        • Captain Lemming
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                          • Jun 2008
                          • 16041

                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          Bengals game: 14/19 for 208 yd 3TD's.. and we were down 10-0 in the 2nd quarter

                          Colts game: 14/24 for 197 yd 2TD's and 1INT. and up 14 to 3 at the half. and don't forget the tackle.

                          Denver game: 21/29 274 (tel:21/29 274) (tel:21/29 274 (tel:21/29 274)) yd 2TD's up and we were up 24-3 at the half. He was a savage that game.

                          What you fail to understand chasing points because you are down big isn't great football. That's Jameis Winston football. Throwing 60 times isn't magical.. it?s desperation.
                          No denying IF YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUPERBOWL it WAS his best playoff.

                          The 2005 SB WIN was BY FAR the worst post season game of Bens ENTIRE CAREER.

                          You just made my point.
                          What YOU continue to ignore is that Ben WAS RARELY down big BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM NEEDS TO SCORE BIG for that to happen.

                          Early mistakes or not, that rarely happened when Ben was young.

                          EVERY TIME YOUNG BEN WAS DOWN BIG IN THE PLAYOFFS WE LOST TOO.
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                          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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                          • Captain Lemming
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                            • Jun 2008
                            • 16041

                            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                            No denying IF YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUPERBOWL it WAS his best playoff.

                            The 2005 SB WIN was BY FAR the worst post season game of Bens ENTIRE CAREER.

                            You just made my point.
                            What YOU continue to ignore is that Ben WAS RARELY down big BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM NEEDS TO SCORE BIG for that to happen.

                            Early mistakes or not, that rarely happened when Ben was young.

                            EVERY TIME YOUNG BEN WAS DOWN BIG IN THE PLAYOFFS WE LOST TOO.
                            The 3 worst statistical playoff performances of Bens career all featured 2 picks each, zero touchdowns under 60 percent passing.

                            They were all WINS.
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                            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                            TCFCLTC-
                            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27532

                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              No denying IF YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE THE SUPERBOWL it WAS his best playoff.

                              The 2005 SB WIN was BY FAR the worst post season game of Bens ENTIRE CAREER.

                              You just made my point.
                              What YOU continue to ignore is that Ben WAS RARELY down big BECAUSE THE OTHER TEAM NEEDS TO SCORE BIG for that to happen.

                              Early mistakes or not, that rarely happened when Ben was young.

                              EVERY TIME YOUNG BEN WAS DOWN BIG IN THE PLAYOFFS WE LOST TOO.
                              I said 2005 PLAYOFF Ben for a reason. Of course he was awful in the SB. We know this. But he was amazing on the prior 3 games and that was the Ben that was the best IMO.

                              and I’m well aware good defense making it easier for a QB to win games without gaudy stats. I’ve stressed this as a reason I’m not concerned with Kenny’s PPG last year when we ended 7-1 as a team.

                              wins over stats dude..
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                              • whisper
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                                • Mar 2020
                                • 9423

                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                What’s funny about Stroud is his stock shot up after he showed he could run vs Georgia in the playoff game.

                                One of the knocks on him is that he wouldn’t run for first downs when he had wide open space.

                                I think everyone understands why Bryce doesn’t run a lot. Dude is tiny.. but he is extremely mobile at extending plays, he’s similar to Mahomes in that department.
                                Dude is tiny, that ain't no exaggeration. I'd have a tough time signing him as #1 overall looking at him. If an NFL defender gets a clean shot on him, wow.

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