OFFSEASON: Would you Re-do our DBs?

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

I’m fine with a CB early if we don’t keep Sutton. But we need to keep Edmunds. He won’t be expensive and I think fans finally realize he is actually a solid player.

Exactly why I wouldn't spend a high pick on a safety. You can sign a decent FA starter via FA. You aren't signing CB, or OT on the same budget. If that means spending a top pick there then you do it.

[flippy]

I Got this idea from reading articles on the Mel Kipper's 1st mock. He has Porter as our 1st pick.
(Take note, I am just thinking outside the box, not what I would do.)

So what if they do target Porter or any other CB in round 1....

It fits a need. And it does pay off financially having a CB1 on a rookie contract.

So what if the FO decides to shake up the DBs, not resign Sutton and Edmunds. That could be +$20 M in savings.

If they keep Levi, Witherspoon, Pier, Norwood, Maulet, and resigning Kazee. (We have starters in place pre-draft) Then at 17we draft Porter(or any CB1) and then at 32 we draft a S (Branch) at 32? We got younger, cheaper, and maybe more talented with higher ceiling)

(1st round CB/Porter)-Levi/Spoon-Pier
Branch-Fitz-Kazee -Norwod-Maulet

Add that 20M with another 30M in cuts/restructures we can be under the cap by 50M !
Think how much 50 M can be used to invest on OL, DL, and ILB

Don't forget about the comp formula too.

Thoughts?

I like this thinking.

But in reality, what are the odds we are able to draft a CB and S better than what we have currently given our history of selecting players at those positions?

Cam is an above average corner.

TE has found his niche at a S/ILB hybrid and enables Minkah to be a playmaker.

Odds are, we’d probably end up with another Artie Burns and young TE again at the spots we’re picking.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I Got this idea from reading articles on the Mel Kipper's 1st mock. He has Porter as our 1st pick.
(Take note, I am just thinking outside the box, not what I would do.)

So what if they do target Porter or any other CB in round 1....

It fits a need. And it does pay off financially having a CB1 on a rookie contract.

So what if the FO decides to shake up the DBs, not resign Sutton and Edmunds. That could be +$20 M in savings.

If they keep Levi, Witherspoon, Pier, Norwood, Maulet, and resigning Kazee. (We have starters in place pre-draft) Then at 17we draft Porter(or any CB1) and then at 32 we draft a S (Branch) at 32? We got younger, cheaper, and maybe more talented with higher ceiling)

(1st round CB/Porter)-Levi/Spoon-Pier
Branch-Fitz-Kazee -Norwod-Maulet

Add that 20M with another 30M in cuts/restructures we can be under the cap by 50M !
Think how much 50 M can be used to invest on OL, DL, and ILB

Don't forget about the comp formula too.

Thoughts?

Not before the OL and DL. We are very good when it comes to drafting CB's. There is less deep passing in general these day are more franchise sinking QB contracts given to QB's
who can not pass.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Exactly why I wouldn't spend a high pick on a safety. You can sign a decent FA starter via FA. You aren't signing CB, or OT on the same budget. If that means spending a top pick there then you do it.

Why did the Steelers reach for a safety in round one? The position is not as important as others.

[steeler_george]

Exactly why I wouldn't spend a high pick on a safety. You can sign a decent FA starter via FA. You aren't signing CB, or OT on the same budget. If that means spending a top pick there then you do it.

That has merit, it is true S and TE are one of the cheaper postions to find in FA.

And I think Edmunds in his role ( hybrid S/ILB) is almost irreplaceable.

I want to keep Edmunds and Sutton.

I am just thinking outside the box, thinking of all possibilities.

[Northern_Blitz]

and then the board explodes because we didn’t select two offensive linemen

I don't think we'll pick two OL.

But I'm hopeful that we have the opportunity to sign 1 good OL and 1 good DL in our first 4 picks. (depending on what happens in UFA)

[whisper]

Not gonna get the other Edmonds without his brother. You better overpay if you wanna save money to pay me be letting my brother go.

Not only would he not do it, we would lose interest.

IT WOULD ALSO KILL THE CUTSY BROTHER awesomeness factor for us.

It would "ding" the cutsie bro factor, but since Connor Heyward is in the fold, we still have it going fairly strong. Now IF they cut Dereck Watt, look out cutsie factor presence. Losing TWO cutsie brother connections will seriously damage the cutsie brother factor. Maybe adding Porter Jr. will help the "nepotism" factor enough to absorb the cutsie brother factor being diminished. Maybe the cutsie brother factor is just a part of the "nepotism factor," so as long as the nepotism factor is kept up, we can suffice the loss of the cutsie brother factor being dinged. Plus a Rooney was added to the scouting staff to upgrade the nepotism factor.

[steeler_george]

A few weeks later, and I am flip flopping again. I went from wanting to draft :
WR, TE
OL,OL,
DL, OL
and back o this idea IF ...

1) Resign on D: Edmunds and Sutton, Pierre, and Spillane
Resing on O/ST: Snell, Watt, Boykin, Simms, Hassenauer
2) FA signings: DL Payne, 1 ILB ( Edmunds, Long, that guy from SF, Pratt), OLB Winchovich, TE Moreau, cheap back up FA OT
3) Release: WJ3, Jack, Witherspoon, Gunner, (save 26 M)
4) Restructure: Fitz, Watt, Okorafor, DJ, J Daniles, Boswell ( that is about 40 MIllion)
5) using sportac ( release and restructures, NO FA SIGNINGS) cap space available is 55 Millon

Draft:
17) Branch S
32) Schmitz C ( was debating about OT)
49) Benton NT/DL
80) Campbell ILB
120) Pickens DT
236) Wyle TE
243) any project ILB/S for ST



offense

QB: Pickett, Tribusky
RB: Harris, Warren, Snell, McFarland
WR: DJ, Pickens, Austin, Simms, Anthony Miller, ?
TE/FB: Mouth, Moreau, Whyle, Heyward, Watt
LT: Moore, FA OT
LG: Schmitz,Dotson
OC: Cole, Scmitz, Haus
RG: JD
RT: Chucks,

Defense

DL: Payne-Benton/Adams-Heyward ( Leal, Loudermilk, Pickens)
OLB: Watt, Highsmith, Winovich, Roche
ILB: FA ILB, Spillane, Robinson, Campbell
CB: Wallace, Sutton, Pierre
S: Fitz, Branch, Edmunds (SS/ILB), Maulet

Team is still lacking OT depth, Outside back up WR, and maybe a 4th outside CB.

Overall I think the team improved especially on D, got more deeper, younger and talented in the front 7. Look at that Pressure and Depth. That 3 safety set will be explosive. Branch is a Fitz clone, he can play all over DB, imagine having two.
On O, the IOL became more flexible, deeper, and talented. OT will benefit from strong IOL. Pickett , Harris, WR core will benefit from The TE group, more 12 sets, weapons middle of field and RZ and blockers to spring the run game.

[Northern_Blitz]

A few weeks later, and I am flip flopping again. I went from wanting to draft :
WR, TE
OL,OL,
DL, OL
and back o this idea IF ...

1) Resign on D: Edmunds and Sutton, Pierre, and Spillane
Resing on O/ST: Snell, Watt, Boykin, Simms, Hassenauer
2) FA signings: DL Payne, 1 ILB ( Edmunds, Long, that guy from SF, Pratt), OLB Winchovich, TE Moreau, cheap back up FA OT
3) Release: WJ3, Jack, Witherspoon, Gunner, (save 26 M)
4) Restructure: Fitz, Watt, Okorafor, DJ, J Daniles, Boswell ( that is about 40 MIllion)
5) using sportac ( release and restructures, NO FA SIGNINGS) cap space available is 55 Millon

Draft:
17) Branch S
32) Schmitz C ( was debating about OT)
49) Benton NT/DL
80) Campbell ILB
120) Pickens DT
236) Wyle TE
243) any project ILB/S for ST



offense

QB: Pickett, Tribusky
RB: Harris, Warren, Snell, McFarland
WR: DJ, Pickens, Austin, Simms, Anthony Miller, ?
TE/FB: Mouth, Moreau, Whyle, Heyward, Watt
LT: Moore, FA OT
LG: Schmitz,Dotson
OC: Cole, Scmitz, Haus
RG: JD
RT: Chucks,

Defense

DL: Payne-Benton/Adams-Heyward ( Leal, Loudermilk, Pickens)
OLB: Watt, Highsmith, Winovich, Roche
ILB: FA ILB, Spillane, Robinson, Campbell
CB: Wallace, Sutton, Pierre
S: Fitz, Branch, Edmunds (SS/ILB), Maulet

Team is still lacking OT depth, Outside back up WR, and maybe a 4th outside CB.

Overall I think the team improved especially on D, got more deeper, younger and talented in the front 7. Look at that Pressure and Depth. That 3 safety set will be explosive. Branch is a Fitz clone, he can play all over DB, imagine having two.
On O, the IOL became more flexible, deeper, and talented. OT will benefit from strong IOL. Pickett , Harris, WR core will benefit from The TE group, more 12 sets, weapons middle of field and RZ and blockers to spring the run game.

I think this looks reasonable.

Ultimately, I think we have enough needs that I hope the FO doesn't go into it saying "we need someone at position X". Just get the best guy on the board as long as he's not a QB or a RB (and I hope not an Edge, TE, or WR in rd 1).

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I Got this idea from reading articles on the Mel Kipper's 1st mock. He has Porter as our 1st pick.
(Take note, I am just thinking outside the box, not what I would do.)

So what if they do target Porter or any other CB in round 1....

It fits a need. And it does pay off financially having a CB1 on a rookie contract.

So what if the FO decides to shake up the DBs, not resign Sutton and Edmunds. That could be +$20 M in savings.

If they keep Levi, Witherspoon, Pier, Norwood, Maulet, and resigning Kazee. (We have starters in place pre-draft) Then at 17we draft Porter(or any CB1) and then at 32 we draft a S (Branch) at 32? We got younger, cheaper, and maybe more talented with higher ceiling)

(1st round CB/Porter)-Levi/Spoon-Pier
Branch-Fitz-Kazee -Norwod-Maulet

Add that 20M with another 30M in cuts/restructures we can be under the cap by 50M !
Think how much 50 M can be used to invest on OL, DL, and ILB

Don't forget about the comp formula too.

Thoughts?

Not before the OL and DL, which is to say a 3rd or 4th round pick on a DB is fine.

We don't pick corners well ad they tend to disappoint as 1st round picks. We lead the NFL in interceptions last year. I need so see 1 on 1 film vs several players before I would be sold on Porter being worth a 1st round pick. And even then how he was used can matter a lot. Did he shut guys down and play 1 on 1 coverage well on film? Or was he a zone guy who cover receivers mostly short? Stats don't tell you this. I will say Porter's data is impressive. He needs to prove his speed at the combine and do change or direction drills ( 20 yard shuttle ) and shown good acceleration ( 10 yard dash ) before I am sold on him. Porter is a long legged corner. Those type typically don't stop and start as well or have acceleration. Porter could be handsy when beaten because of this. That is a red flag.

[NJ-STEELER]

I would try and sign sutton or grab a similar type UFA.
and use one of our top 3 picks on a corner.

[Captain Lemming]

It would "ding" the cutsie bro factor, but since Connor Heyward is in the fold, we still have it going fairly strong. Now IF they cut Dereck Watt, look out cutsie factor presence. Losing TWO cutsie brother connections will seriously damage the cutsie brother factor. Maybe adding Porter Jr. will help the "nepotism" factor enough to absorb the cutsie brother factor being diminished. Maybe the cutsie brother factor is just a part of the "nepotism factor," so as long as the nepotism factor is kept up, we can suffice the loss of the cutsie brother factor being dinged. Plus a Rooney was added to the scouting staff to upgrade the nepotism factor.

If we broaden from just cutsy brother to overall nepotism, we can sign that corner later whose dad was coached by Tomlin.

There are many ways to do this. What a great draft!

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Late to the party, but I resign Sutton and Edmunds and still draft a DB... that makes Levi #3, with Sutton/Rookie as #1/2 CBs.

Then, I fix the line....

My one swing on FA is at ILB.

(see sig for it all - lol)

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

If we broaden from just cutsy brother to overall nepotism, we can sign that corner later whose dad was coached by Tomlin.

There are many ways to do this. What a great draft!

Kyu Blu Kelly only counts as half a cutsy. He would have received full marks had he gone to Maryland or WVU, but he went to Stanford.

[Captain Lemming]

Late to the party, but I resign Sutton and Edmunds and still draft a DB... that makes Levi #3, with Sutton/Rookie as #1/2 CBs.

Then, I fix the line....

My one swing on FA is at ILB.

(see sig for it all - lol)

My preference exactly.