Looking at he hard facts of Pickett's rookie year.

[Chucktownsteeler]

Come on; all this talk about growth over the season when the fact is we played way weaker teams the second half of the year. It’s not a strike against or for KP in my book.

Let’s just move on to next season and hopefully things are upgraded ( player wise) around KP and then hope for a maturation jump from KP and we’ll go from there.

Some can’t let it go. We dicked around with Mitch too long. In fact, even then when he thru 3 picks against the Rats and we lost 16-14. We win that game we close the season 8-1 and are in the playoffs. But that season is over, time to move ahead.

We have a young offense that grew up before our eyes. The future is bright.

["BuzzNuter"]

What is all this bullsh*t about Pickett being a bust or whatever. Did you naysayers not watch the same games that I did? He most definitely showed improvement. His confidence in the huddle grew. His pass selection improved.

I am excited about seeing how he improves next year. He is a good QB. I'm watching Josh Allen right now and his play is worse then Pickett's at the end of the season.
Pickett knows what he can and can't do. He has a great foundation to grow on. I'm sick of these negative nelly posts. Some of you people come across as crybabies.

[NorthCoast]

PFF actually recognized his progress, he was one of the highest graded QBs the last several games.

Did they provide the 'context' of weak opponents?

[NorthCoast]

What? where do you get such passing data for Pickett and why isn't it at main websites like:

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/

You say 37 Pickett had passing 37 passing plays over 20+ yards?! Try 28 of them and his yards per attempt is a very low 6.2 yards per attempt. Get real.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PickKe00.htm

His game relative to the other good QB's in their first 12 games is lacking. That is what the data says and to be truthfully many of them were on worse teams. That's is how I am judging him. Cleary he is not a franchise level QB and does show any signs of being a very good QB either.

You can get official NFL data dump here; https://github.com/nflverse/nflverse-pbp

Unlike you I don't believe the current state is the final state with Pickett.

[WindyCitySteel]

Did they provide the 'context' of weak opponents?

I don't think you can do that for player grades, wouldn't everyone end up with a C?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

You can get official NFL data dump here; https://github.com/nflverse/nflverse-pbp

Unlike you I don't believe the current state is the final state with Pickett.

Your link does not work. What are you saying? Please copy and paste it here. Kenny is trending as a first round disappointment. Not all of us wanted him and the significant questions he did not or can not answer about his game remain. Many fans were convinced that Kordell Stewart was holding a very good team back, yet certain fans would not admit that. Obviously the more honest fans who knew football were proven correct. The Kordell backers well...

[NorthCoast]

PFF actually recognized his progress, he was one of the highest graded QBs the last several games.

Your friends at PFF had Pickett ranked as a late 2nd round QB;

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[WindyCitySteel]

Your friends at PFF had Pickett ranked as a late 2nd round QB;

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Right, they didn't like the pick, but are grading him based on what they see, not what their pre-draft opinions of him were. Many on this board could take a lesson from that.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Right, they didn't like the pick, but are grading him based on what they see, not what their pre-draft opinions of him were. Many on this board could take a lesson from that.

Pickett did not have a first round QB grade in my book. Check the archives on him for what I and other said about him before he was a Steeler.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

It seems like you are looking at his season as a whole and ignoring the continual progress he made. I don't think that's a very smart way of evaluating a rookie QB. I agree that next year will be very telling for him and I expect that progress to continue.

I'm not saying he has not made progress. I'm am saying he hasn't shown me the type of progress that other very good QB's have in their first 12 games. There is a difference! He lacks the arm, he fumbles a bit too much and get dinged up to easily. His passing yards total are very low in comparison to the other top 12 QB's as rookies, and lower than fellow rookie Brock Purdy now. I am judging him as a projected top 12 QB, not as a low rent game manager. Understand now? The evaluation of being a potential top 12 QB is what I would like the debate to be.

Match him up with Mahomes, Burrow, Purdy, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, and Hurts first 12 games if you dare. These young QB's that are good. If you can not do that ( I'm not saying you can't ) it should tell you something.

- Joel

[feltdizz]

I'm not saying he has not made progress. I'm am saying he hasn't shown me the type of progress that other very good QB's have in their first 12 games. There is a difference! He lacks the arm, he fumbles a bit too much and get dinged up to easily. His passing yards total are very low in comparison to the other top 12 QB's as rookies, and lower than fellow rookie Brock Purdy now. I am judging him as a projected top 12 QB, not as a low rent game manager. Understand now? The evaluation of being a potential top 12 QB is what I would like the debate to be.

Match him up with Mahomes, Burrow, Purdy, Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, and Hurts first 12 games if you dare. These young QB's that are good. If you can not do that ( I'm not saying you can't ) it should tell you something.

- Joel

Lenny Pickett has 4 fumbles and lost 1. That puts him 38th on the QB list

Josh Allen had 16 fumbles
Trevor Lawrence had 12 fumbles
Herbert 9
Geno Smith 9

you just made that fumble stat up.

First 12 starts:

Jalen Hurts was 4-8
Lawrence was 2-10
Herbert was 3-9
Josh Allen was 5-7
Joe Burrow was 3-8-1

[WindyCitySteel]

Lenny Pickett has 4 fumbles and lost 1. That puts him 38th on the QB list

Josh Allen had 16 fumbles
Trevor Lawrence had 12 fumbles
Herbert 9
Geno Smith 9

you just made that fumble stat up.

Joel, like many, is simply regurgitating common pre-draft analysis of Kenny, and I seriously doubt he watches the games.

[feltdizz]

Joel, like many, is simply regurgitating common pre-draft analysis of Kenny, and I seriously doubt he watches the games.

and check out the first 12 game records of most of the QB’s on his list.

of course we have a doom and gloom group think losing with 2 passing TD’s and 300 yards is better than winning with 1 TD and 200 yards passing.

because stats trump wins.

[flippy]

Anyone see the Pickett segment on the Pat McAfee show?

He spent a week in his apartment after the season and he’s back in the building already working on next season.

One day y’all will figure out the difference between Kenny and other QBs is above the neck.

All I’ve ever seen the kid do since he’s been at Pitt is work and get better. No need to try and compare him to Ben or Pat or Josh or Joe or Tom or…..

He’s Kenny Mother F’in Pickett!!!!!

[Steel Maniac]

Anyone see the Pickett segment on the Pat McAfee show?

He spent a week in his apartment after the season and he’s back in the building already working on next season.

One day y’all will figure out the difference between Kenny and other QBs is above the neck.

All I’ve ever seen the kid do since he’s been at Pitt is work and get better. No need to try and compare him to Ben or Pat or Josh or Joe or Tom or…..

He’s Kenny Mother F’in Pickett!!!!!

That's great to hear Flippy. That's exactly what we want to see from our QB. Everyone is hoping for that big jump next season from him. Hopefully we give him a better O-line to work with and add another legit weapon at WR as well.