Where Are All These OCs Blowing Away the League?

[WindyCitySteel]

Not driving his train at all. He's been good running Shanny's system. He hasn't been ground breaking, but hasn't needed to be. His test will come, but you guys down playing it severely is actually what's weird.

Why are you stating passer ratings over PFF ratings now? Make up your mind which one you value more. I already listed the 263th pick overall scored higher in his first playoff start than Jimmy G in any of his 6 under the same system.

I'm not stating passer rating over PFF, I'm showing how useless passer rating is. Shanny has a history of getting great passer ratings from ham and egger QBs.

[WindyCitySteel]

+1 Purdy as a rookie appears to be the real deal as in a top ten QB. He will win rookie of the year.

You just +1'd a post and then completely contradicted it.

Don't ever change.

[Steel Maniac]

Not driving his train at all. He's been good running Shanny's system. He hasn't been ground breaking, but hasn't needed to be. His test will come, but you guys down playing it severely is actually what's weird.

Why are you stating passer ratings over PFF ratings now? Make up your mind which one you value more. I already listed the 263th pick overall scored higher in his first playoff start than Jimmy G in any of his 6 under the same system.

They said Montana was running Walsh system too. Just saying. The kid is making good decisions out there. I"m not discrediting him by saying " it's just the system doing it.".

[crushedspirit]

I'm not stating passer rating over PFF, I'm showing how useless passer rating is. Shanny has a history of getting great passer ratings from ham and egger QBs.

Which is why I posted the PFF ratings, and again, Brock got a higher rating in his first ever playoff start, and 8th overall as a rookie, than Jimmy G has in any of his 6 playoff starts.

Nick Mullens had some great starts, but also stinkers with PFF ratings in the 40s and 30s. His overall in 2018 was 64.6 and 2020 was 56.9
Beathard also had some great starts, but some stinkers as well, although never as bad as Nick. His overall ratings were 59.5, 64.9, and 67.7 in his 3 years playing under that friendly system.
Then you have Lance who looked lost in his handful of starts.

Brock has been consistent, is still learning the system, and has been 70+ in all his last 5 starts. His overall grade stands at 78.0 so far, including playoffs. Again, he will get tested in his 8th start, and I'm sure a few of you are ready with your, "I told you so" if he falters. It's possible he will, and I won't be surprised at all, but I won't be here to knock the kid either. He's exceeding all expectations in my opinion. There's nobody in the industry that saw it coming, no matter how friendly the system is.

[WindyCitySteel]

Which is why I posted the PFF ratings, and again, Brock got a higher rating in his first ever playoff start, and 8th overall as a rookie, than Jimmy G has in any of his 6 playoff starts.

Nick Mullens had some great starts, but also stinkers with PFF ratings in the 40s and 30s. His overall in 2018 was 64.6 and 2020 was 56.9
Beathard also had some great starts, but some stinkers as well, although never as bad as Nick. His overall ratings were 59.5, 64.9, and 67.7 in his 3 years playing under that friendly system.
Then you have Lance who looked lost in his handful of starts.

Brock has been consistent, is still learning the system, and has been 70+ in all his last 5 starts. His overall grade stands at 78.0 so far, including playoffs. Again, he will get tested in his 8th start, and I'm sure a few of you are ready with your, "I told you so" if he falters. It's possible he will, and I won't be surprised at all, but I won't be here to knock the kid either. He's exceeding all expectations in my opinion. There's nobody in the industry that saw it coming, no matter how friendly the system is.

That's all very reasonable, don't disagree with any of it. I just need to ignore the shrieking from others comparing him to Kenny because "Passer rating, REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

What is Brock's highest PFF grade in a game?

[crushedspirit]

That's all very reasonable, don't disagree with any of it. I just need to ignore the shrieking from others comparing him to Kenny because "Passer rating, REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

What is Brock's highest PFF grade in a game?

It was a 79.7 vs Wash

[Terrapin]

I've been watching football for over 40 years. But in the last few, I've never seen so many injuries. Whether teams are extra cautious, guys aren't playing through injuries, etc IDK. But look at the QBs that missed significant time this year:

Lamar
Tua
Lance
Jimmy G
Murray
Stafford
Tannehill

Then you have good QBs that lost their main weapons for weeks/months:
Herbert: Allen and Williams
Burrow: Chase
Murray: Hopkins & Ertz
Fields: Mooney
Rams: Cupp & ARob
Hurts: Goedert

Then there are the RBs who went down:
Taylor
Javontae Williams
Hall
Penny
etc

The league isn't in great shape, and with more games it's becoming a watered-down mess

[crushedspirit]

I've been watching football for over 40 years. But in the last few, I've never seen so many injuries. Whether teams are extra cautious, guys aren't playing through injuries, etc IDK. But look at the QBs that missed significant time this year:

Lamar
Tua
Lance
Jimmy G
Murray
Stafford
Tannehill

Then you have good QBs that lost their main weapons for weeks/months:
Herbert: Allen and Williams
Burrow: Chase
Murray: Hopkins & Ertz
Fields: Mooney
Rams: Cupp & ARob
Hurts: Goedert

Then there are the RBs who went down:
Taylor
Javontae Williams
Hall
Penny
etc

The league isn't in great shape, and with more games it's becoming a watered-down mess

That what you have posted, coupled with the old guard leaving or at the twilight of their careers are the absolute major reasons for a scoring dip.

I haven't seen much of a dip when 5 of the 6 playoff winners scored over 30 this past weekend.

[NorthCoast]

They said Montana was running Walsh system too. Just saying. The kid is making good decisions out there. I"m not discrediting him by saying " it's just the system doing it.".

Yea. Great decisionmaking; "look, my first read is open by 5 yds. Oh, but my second read is open by 8.... hmmm, where should I go with the ball?"

[crushedspirit]

Also, using PFF as the major source for rating QBs is wrong honestly. They are flawed as their week 1 evaluation of Mahomes showed once again, and has been pointed out several times before. Scoring an incomplete pass higher because it was a thrown into a tight window over a pass to a wide open WR is missing the mark actually. Use PFF along with EPA, QBR, DYAR, and DVOA, and you'll get the best of it all.

[WindyCitySteel]

Also, using PFF as the major source for rating QBs is wrong honestly. They are flawed as their week 1 evaluation of Mahomes showed once again, and has been pointed out several times before. Scoring an incomplete pass higher because it was a thrown into a tight window over a pass to a wide open WR is missing the mark actually. Use PFF along with EPA, QBR, DYAR, and DVOA, and you'll get the best of it all.

[crushedspirit]

They're leaving the decision making out of the equation. What if an open WR was overlooked by the QB? Grading a throw into tight coverage while ignoring it never should have been thrown there is missing the mark. Not that complicated to understand this.

They can only add a + or - value to a throw, but completely overlook decision making and the ability to read a defense. The system is flawed, and thus is why someone looking at QBs should take many stats into account, not just PFF. Mahomes being ranked at #8 week 1 was a joke to all in the industry due to these simple oversights in their ranking system. Charting throws is subjective as well no matter how many look at it. Use many tools available to you like what I listed before.

[hawaiiansteel]

Mahomes being ranked at #8 week 1 was a joke to all in the industry due to these simple oversights in their ranking system.

not sure how anyone can argue that.

Mahomes went 30/39 for 360 yds, 5 TDs with no ints in a 44-21 win over Arizona.

and PFF ranked him 8th? they lost a lot of credibility with me that day, that's for sure.

[feltdizz]

not sure how anyone can argue that.

Mahomes went 30/39 for 360 yds, 5 TDs with no ints in a 44-21 win over Arizona.

and PFF ranked him 8th? they lost a lot of credibility with me that day, that's for sure.

it shows how flawed they can be.

I don’t give a damn about any of those rankings to be honest. I think it’s intentional.. like Peter Kings weird rankings. Its just to keep fans engaged.

Throw 5 TD’s and you are ranked behind a QB who threw 1 TD.

“How sway?” - Kanye

[WindyCitySteel]

it shows how flawed they can be.

I don’t give a damn about any of those rankings to be honest. I think it’s intentional.. like Peter Kings weird rankings. Its just to keep fans engaged.

Throw 5 TD’s and you are ranked behind a QB who threw 1 TD.

“How sway?” - Kanye

I can't explain it or break it down in simpler terms than I already have, some of you are just too married to fantasy stats and can't understand that a lot YAC is mostly on scheme and the WR, not the QB.

If WR 1 scores from 70 on a screen, and WR 2 falls down after 10 yards, QB 1 and QB 2 should not be graded differently for something that was completely out of their control.

Just can't break it down any simpler, and I already know your reply.

"But passer rating!!!"