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  • SteelerOfDeVille
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    • May 2008
    • 9069

    DeVille Does -- Position Grades

    I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

    I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

    OFFENSE
    QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
    Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best

    RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
    Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back

    WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
    Position Grade: 8

    TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
    Position Grade: 7

    LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
    Position Grade: 4

    LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
    Position Grade: 4

    OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
    Position Grade: 6.5

    RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
    Position Grade: 7.5

    RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
    Position Grade: 8

    DEFENSE
    NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
    Position Grade: 4

    LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
    Position Grade: 7

    RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
    Position Grade: 10

    LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
    Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path

    LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
    Position Grade: 4

    RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
    Position Grade: 7

    ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
    Position Grade: 7

    CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
    Position Grade: 6

    FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
    Position Grade: 10

    SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
    Position Grade: 7

    There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

    There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.
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  • NorthCoast
    Legend
    • Sep 2008
    • 26636

    #2
    Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
    I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

    I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

    OFFENSE
    QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
    Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best Right there with ya. Average at best so far. One factor that could bump this in either direction is the OC and playcalling.

    RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
    Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back Heard today Najee was trying to focus on his outside running. Why? No clue. As you say he's a between the tackles guy. He is clearly hurt right now. A 6 might only be based on an average of last and this season cause right now he looks more like a 5 or 4. Warren looks OK.

    WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
    Position Grade: 8 There's Pickens, then everyone else. DJ and Claypool lack the consistency you want in top WRs. They are paying DJ like a second tier guy so OK. CC probably won't get a second contract from the Steelers at his current performance.

    TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
    Position Grade: Muth is good and one of the few receiving threats that can get YAC. Worried he might not make it to a second contract with those concussions. Gentry is OK but not in Muths level.

    LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
    Position Grade: 4 Ditto

    LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
    Position Grade: 4 Dotson has too many lapses for a starter.

    OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
    Position Grade: 6.5 I would actually say Cole is only average (5).

    RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
    Position Grade: 7.5 DITTO

    RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
    Position Grade: 8 Only down side to Chuks is weaker run blocking. But I'll take the good pass blocking any day.

    DEFENSE
    NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
    Position Grade: 4 Please draft a traditional 2 down NT next year.

    LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
    Position Grade: 7 Yea, spotty play. Was hoping we would see shades of Hargraves but that isn't happening. He may still be recovering.

    RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
    Position Grade: 10 Leal has great potential. He's gotten himself noticed in the last two games and deserves a few more snaps. Cam, we are seeing the beginnings of age this season especially towards the ends of games. It happens.

    LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
    Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path When he plays no question what he is to the defense. Sometime when I get some time I want to compare his injury history to his bro.

    LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
    Position Grade: 4 No second contract tells it all.

    RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
    Position Grade: 7 Might say Jack is only a 5 here. He's been ok only.

    ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
    Position Grade: 7 DITTO

    CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
    Position Grade: 6 Yea, disappointed with the group in general. Witherspoon not close to how he ended last season. I guess covering the #1 is a whole lot different than the #2. I think Sutton is solid but suited more to the slot.

    FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
    Position Grade: 10 DITTO

    SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
    Position Grade: 7 I'm tempted to give Edmunds an 8. He's worked himself up from a 4 his first few seasons.

    There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

    There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.
    Nice work Deville. Well thought out and good insights. My comments inserted.

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    • Prowler
      Pro Bowler
      • Apr 2010
      • 1837

      #3
      Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
      I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

      I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

      OFFENSE
      QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
      Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best

      RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
      Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back

      WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
      Position Grade: 8

      TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
      Position Grade: 7

      LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
      Position Grade: 4

      LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
      Position Grade: 4

      OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
      Position Grade: 6.5

      RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
      Position Grade: 7.5

      RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
      Position Grade: 8

      DEFENSE
      NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
      Position Grade: 4

      LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
      Position Grade: 7

      RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
      Position Grade: 10

      LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
      Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path

      LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
      Position Grade: 4

      RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
      Position Grade: 7

      ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
      Position Grade: 7

      CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
      Position Grade: 6

      FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
      Position Grade: 10

      SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
      Position Grade: 7

      There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

      There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.
      For the most part, I agree with your grades except for the WR group. This group might be average at best, but I thank you for sharing your thoughts. Well done!








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      • LPMAN
        Pro Bowler
        • Sep 2021
        • 2032

        #4
        Highsmith was an animal game 1 when all the attention was on Watt....hasn't done a damn thing since. For a big guy he should have a better bull rush...but all he does is the "Jason Gildon" let me run in a huge circle & almost always get there but never do move...He has that down pat....i'd give him a 4

        A BIG part of the reason we are 1-4 & give up 10 point leads in the 4th quarter like the Jets is our pass rush has totally blown without TJ. Highsmith is a big big part of this meltdown.

        Agree with most of your grades...i as well think wides are too high...they underperform.
        Last edited by LPMAN; 10-13-2022, 08:29 PM.

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        • Bawb the Revelator
          Pro Bowler
          • Jan 2022
          • 1975

          #5
          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          Nice work Deville. Well thought out and good insights. My comments inserted.
          Brilliant, DeVille. But the Steelers are Artie's toy not yours.

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          • papillon
            Legend
            • Mar 2008
            • 11340

            #6
            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
            I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

            I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

            OFFENSE
            QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
            Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best

            RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
            Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back

            WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
            Position Grade: 8

            TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
            Position Grade: 7

            LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
            Position Grade: 4

            LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
            Position Grade: 4

            OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
            Position Grade: 6.5

            RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
            Position Grade: 7.5

            RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
            Position Grade: 8

            DEFENSE
            NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
            Position Grade: 4

            LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
            Position Grade: 7

            RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
            Position Grade: 10

            LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
            Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path

            LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
            Position Grade: 4

            RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
            Position Grade: 7

            ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
            Position Grade: 7

            CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
            Position Grade: 6

            FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
            Position Grade: 10

            SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
            Position Grade: 7

            There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

            There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.
            Quarterbacks need a grade, Trubisky didn't get it done, Pickett was a bit better but didn't get it done (only 1 game) and Rudolph hasn't played a snap. 4
            Running backs can't be above average the Steeler running game is near the bottom of the league. 5
            Veteran wide receivers aren't making plays, Pickens is making plays so he is the majority of their score. DCs aren't losing sleep over this group. 6
            TJ is missing a lot of games this year and has a huge contract, while he is great when he's on the field, he isn't there enough and is paid handsomely. 7.5
            Punter is a fail. 3
            Boz was bad this past weekend, he gets a pass based on previous years. 8
            I like the rest, maybe Moore is better than a 4, maybe a 5, he's played against some good pass rushers.

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            • Joel Buchsbaum
              Legend
              • Jan 2021
              • 7744

              #7
              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
              I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

              I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

              OFFENSE
              QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
              Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best

              RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
              Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back

              WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
              Position Grade: 8

              TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
              Position Grade: 7

              LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
              Position Grade: 4

              LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
              Position Grade: 4

              OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
              Position Grade: 6.5

              RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
              Position Grade: 7.5

              RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
              Position Grade: 8

              DEFENSE
              NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
              Position Grade: 4

              LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
              Position Grade: 7

              RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
              Position Grade: 10

              LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
              Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path

              LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
              Position Grade: 4

              RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
              Position Grade: 7

              ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
              Position Grade: 7

              CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
              Position Grade: 6

              FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
              Position Grade: 10

              SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
              Position Grade: 7

              There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

              There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.

              Your grades are generous. Here are my own

              Coaches

              Tomin F Offers little but a dark stare and chews gum during the games
              Canada D Pickett make him look better, bit his play calling sucks.
              Austin D- Shouldn't have been hired


              Offense

              Pickett INC, but he has shown leadership and doesn't play like a rookie. I'd give him a B so far

              Harris D Not the back you are looking for. Trending as a bust. Slowly being phased out.
              Muth B , He is good, but he's hurt too much for a young player.
              Wr1 Johnson C- and he will soon be or is now our Wr 2 A mis use coffee cap space re-sighing him!
              Pickens A. What a player! A threat short or deep. Makes special catches. Blocks like a tackle.
              Claypool D. Has been terrible this year

              Moore - C- I get it he has a tough job. He's still learning as currently the only one who can play left tackle
              Dotson - C- Another player who needs to be replaced in the off season
              Cole B- He has been all right
              Daniels B-. He has been all right
              Chucks B Solid as pass blocker, still weak as a run blocker

              Boswell A One of the best kickers in the NFL



              Defense

              Larry O. C I'm not impressed by him.
              Adams C- Just a guy, should not be viewed as a starter. The next man up.
              Heyward A- He plays well and hard

              Watt A+ Simply stated we are 0-5 with out him starting. Get well soon, a game changing defensive player.
              Jack. B He is solid, not special
              Bush D Needs to be replaced. Might be the worst starting ILB in the NFL
              Highsmith - B- Not part of the, or the solution. We have greater needs and he's cheap

              Sutton B He can play well
              Fitz A He's a difference maker.
              Edmunds. B- He does nothing good or bad, in fact he has been okay
              Wallace / Witherspoon C+ Can be beaten by the better QB's / WR

              Harvin III D One of the worst punter in the NFL. Replace him.
              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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              • Mr.wizard
                Legend
                • May 2014
                • 6686

                #8
                I feel like the Najee criticism is misplaced. The problem with Najee isnt speed, its vision. The reason he isnt hitting big plays is because he is missing the holes and the cut backs.

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                • Ghost
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 6338

                  #9
                  I think you graded the WRs with your heart and not your head. Through 5 games this group has 0 TDs. 0.0!! Pickens is going to be a beast. Johnson has drop issues and has forgotten how to get 2 feet in bounds. You want to be the number 1 guy, play like it and make some plays. Claypool is an un coachable bust. Only gotten worse over time - literally no improvement. I'd make him a healthy scratch. Overall, the WR group is a 4/5 tops.
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                  • SteelerOfDeVille
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 9069

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bawb the Revelator
                    Brilliant, DeVille. But the Steelers are Artie's toy not yours.
                    I tried my damndest to not say "we", but you know how fans are - lol. I may have slipped a couple in
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                    • SteelerOfDeVille
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 9069

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Prowler
                      For the most part, I agree with your grades except for the WR group. This group might be average at best, but I thank you for sharing your thoughts. Well done!
                      I think DJ has so much upside *when he catches the ball*. He's had stretches of looking like a #1
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                      • SteelerOfDeVille
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 9069

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                        Your grades are generous. Here are my own

                        Coaches

                        Tomin F Offers little but a dark stare and chews gum during the games
                        Canada D Pickett make him look better, bit his play calling sucks.
                        Austin D- Shouldn't have been hired


                        Offense

                        Pickett INC, but he has shown leadership and doesn't play like a rookie. I'd give him a B so far

                        Harris D Not the back you are looking for. Trending as a bust. Slowly being phased out.
                        Muth B , He is good, but he's hurt too much for a young player.
                        Wr1 Johnson C- and he will soon be or is now our Wr 2 A mis use coffee cap space re-sighing him!
                        Pickens A. What a player! A threat short or deep. Makes special catches. Blocks like a tackle.
                        Claypool D. Has been terrible this year

                        Moore - C- I get it he has a tough job. He's still learning as currently the only one who can play left tackle
                        Dotson - C- Another player who needs to be replaced in the off season
                        Cole B- He has been all right
                        Daniels B-. He has been all right
                        Chucks B Solid as pass blocker, still weak as a run blocker

                        Boswell A One of the best kickers in the NFL



                        Defense

                        Larry O. C I'm not impressed by him.
                        Adams C- Just a guy, should not be viewed as a starter. The next man up.
                        Heyward A- He plays well and hard

                        Watt A+ Simply stated we are 0-5 with out him starting. Get well soon, a game changing defensive player.
                        Jack. B He is solid, not special
                        Bush D Needs to be replaced. Might be the worst starting ILB in the NFL
                        Highsmith - B- Not part of the, or the solution. We have greater needs and he's cheap

                        Sutton B He can play well
                        Fitz A He's a difference maker.
                        Edmunds. B- He does nothing good or bad, in fact he has been okay
                        Wallace / Witherspoon C+ Can be beaten by the better QB's / WR

                        Harvin III D One of the worst punter in the NFL. Replace him.
                        I think you were more generous than I was - lol.

                        Best way I can align how I just graded is this: Think of those numbers as %, where 90-100 is an A and 80-90 is a B. Anything under 60% (i.e., under 6) is an F.
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                        • Joel Buchsbaum
                          Legend
                          • Jan 2021
                          • 7744

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                          I feel like the Najee criticism is misplaced. The problem with Najee isnt speed, its vision. The reason he isnt hitting big plays is because he is missing the holes and the cut backs.
                          He's not getting the job done / lacks the speed to hit the hole quickly our run outside. Big plays? Well he didn't have many last year, and doesn't have many this year so... I agree his vision is part of the problem but that really isn't coachable, more like its instictive. Can such a player be fixed? I say no.
                          Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                          Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                          *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                          • Terrapin
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Sep 2017
                            • 2081

                            #14
                            Man with all this above average talent it's odd that we're a hurt long snapper away from 0-5...

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                            • Northern_Blitz
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 24373

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
                              I realize there are already threads critiquing positions, coaches. Most of them are the knee-jerk "fire this guy" type of posts. I thought I'd throw something out there with some real assessments of them.

                              I've graded each position on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being the best. IMO, anything graded 6 or lower should be addressed during the the offseason; obviously, cuts/contracts can influence need.

                              OFFENSE
                              QB - we're still figuring out what we have with Pickett. Mitch's contract was built to be a 1-year deal if he didn't pan out, so the team technically could replace both him and Mason after the season
                              Position Grade: TBD, between KP's anticipated yet unknown growth AND the uncertainty around MT and MR this is hard to grade. At the moment, this is about a 5 at best

                              RB - Najee doesn't quite have the speed to get the edge. If WE see that, why doesn't the guy calling plays see that? Because he's more of a throwback to power runners, he needs to have plays called between the tackles. IMO, he's an Alstott who needs a Warrick Dunn to make this a complete backfield by committee. Meanwhile, Jaylen Warren is a backup who is capable of filling in if Najee goes down.
                              Position Grade: 6, but could easily be a 9 with a complimentary speed back

                              WR - Pickens is going to be a problem for DBs for years to come. Diontae is pretty good (when he catches the ball; he just doesn't always do that). Claypool needs to use his body. All in all this is actually a good group, but a lot of contracts are coming up.
                              Position Grade: 8

                              TE - Muth is dang good, but I wouldn't be upset with a second TE with receiving skills; I was thinking this was the plan for the younger Heyward, but that hasn't panned out
                              Position Grade: 7

                              LT - Moore would be a good backup, but is no starter. I hope to see a real LT acquired next offseason; I also wouldn't be opposed to seeing Moore extended with backup $$
                              Position Grade: 4

                              LG - see LT assessment, above. Just replace Moore with Dotson
                              Position Grade: 4

                              OC - Cole is 'ok'. If not for the left side of the line, this is a potential upgrade spot.
                              Position Grade: 6.5

                              RG - Daniels is a capable RG, who got a +.5 in his reaction to the slide-hit on Pickett
                              Position Grade: 7.5

                              RT - Chuks has been mostly good. That was a good signing, although some of us didn't like it
                              Position Grade: 8

                              DEFENSE
                              NT - Neither Montravius Adams nor Alualu are getting the job done. I hope to see a priority put on this position, since it hasn't happened in recent years
                              Position Grade: 4

                              LDE - Larry O is "ok" when he plays, but his injury isn't helping. It may keep him around for an additional year as another "prove it" contract as a rotational guy. With Wormley and Loudermilk, there's "ok" depth
                              Position Grade: 7

                              RDE - Cam Heyward, backed up by Leal is a pretty good package here. That's exactly how you'd hope to see positions lined up for end of career time periods
                              Position Grade: 10

                              LOLB - TJ may well be the best pass rusher in the league.
                              Position Grade: 9.5. This should be a 10, but it's clear that depth is needed, and TJ seems to be following JJ's injury path

                              LILB - Bush has improved, but just isn't the guy. This team is desperately in need of another ILB
                              Position Grade: 4

                              RILB - Jack has been solid, but needs a running mate who is at least his equal, but preferably better.
                              Position Grade: 7

                              ROLB - Highsmith gets a bad rub because of the absolutely special stuff happening on the other side of the field from him; he's very Clark Haggans in that he does his job, but is very unspectacular; I wouldn't be opposed to an upgrade, but this isn't a priority
                              Position Grade: 7

                              CB - Sutton, Wallace, Witherspoon, Maulet is a big pile of "meh". This team needs a studly cover corner to move each of those guys down one slot in the pecking order
                              Position Grade: 6

                              FS - Minkah is in the discussion for best FS in the league. The depth here is solid as well
                              Position Grade: 10

                              SS - Edmunds shouldn't have been a 1st round pick, but is certainly a "good" player. Depth here is good as well
                              Position Grade: 7

                              There ya have it. You could knee jerk some guys to a 1, but I have a hard time doing that. If the guy is NFL talent, but just isn't getting it done, I can't bring myself to give a 1 - someone mentioned the elite of the elite in a thread and I agree with that. Besides, that's splitting hairs at this point - as stated above, the 6 and below should be addressed.

                              There - I opened myself up for bashing, but it's what I see on this team.
                              Thanks DeVille

                              Was it you that was high on Leal before / after the draft?

                              I remember someone was really big on the draft pick, but can't remember who.

                              Good call if it was you. It's nice to see a young mid-rounder making some plays on the D.

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