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  • Captain Lemming
    Legend
    • Jun 2008
    • 16041

    A Case for Canada

    I keep seeing people bash Canada after Kenny came in. Why?

    I don't "know" he is a good coordinator, but I don't know he is the problem either.

    I've been saying the problem was at QB. What have been the complaints about Canada?

    He only throws short. Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT just throw short.

    "He ignores the middle." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT avoid the middle.

    "Canada cannot scheme receivers open." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny found open receivers.

    "He doesnt get Pickens involved enough."
    Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT ignore Pickens. We saw his star shine.

    "He is wasting our talented tight end".
    Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny facilitated a career day for Freiermuth.

    "Canada cannot convert."
    Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny converted EVERY SINGLE THIRD DOWN.

    We had NO NEED FOR A PUNTER in the second half.

    Yes KENNY had picks.

    HOW MANY WERE UNTOUCHED BY A RECEIVER?

    Due to ALL OF THE ABOVE defenses stack the box which is why Najee has nowhere to run.

    Najee has the best game of the season, with a plus 4 ypc average, 74 yards and with 16 yard run.

    Truth? Under Kenny suddenly Canada's offense WAS FINE. In some regards, OUTSTANDING.

    Exactly what we saw in the preseason.

    Am I saying Canada is great? No.

    What I am saying is that we cannot know he is not good.

    What I do know is when we SAW RECEIVERS OPEN and others were blaming Canada, Kenny just proved us right.

    I have a feeling we are going to be shocked at how good this offense can be.

    I have a sneaky feeling the innovations are gonna show up and Kenny is the guy to run it.

    Don't be so sure Canada's days are numbered.
    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 10-03-2022, 10:37 AM.
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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35648

    #2
    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
    I have a feeling we are going to be shocked at how good this offense can be.
    yes, I would be shocked.

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    • Captain Lemming
      Legend
      • Jun 2008
      • 16041

      #3
      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
      yes, I would be shocked.
      Go back to bed Hawaiian, you are supposed to be sleeping.

      The only excuse for not your doubt is sleep deprivation.
      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 10-03-2022, 10:44 AM.
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Good points.

        KP + TJ can fix all the short comings.
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        • TheRealTazz864
          Pro Bowler
          • Jun 2022
          • 2163

          #5
          Originally posted by Captain Lemming
          I have a feeling we are going to be shocked at how good this offense can be.

          I have a sneaky feeling the innovations are gonna show up and Kenny is the guy to run it.

          Don't be so sure Canada's days are numbered.
          I find it interesting that all (or most, at least) of the primary reads are beyond the sticks, which KP8 threw to, which was reflected in his perfect 3rd down conversion percentage... I think the OC is responsible for drawing-up that sorta thing... I don't think Canada's going anywhere... He was the go-to for lazy critics, tho...

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27532

            #6
            Great post.

            I keep seeing people suggest Canada needs to go and will hold KP back. Look at the stats again and then tell me why?

            Pickens was targeted often.

            Claypool had a chance to make a big play but came up short armed again.

            Pickett used his feet..

            6 for 6 on 3rd down.

            Playcalling didn’t ruin our chances of winning that game. Fingertips and deflections on 2 passes and the D not standing tall lost the game.

            I think fans are just following the crowd with the fire Canada chants after this game. Anyone who watched that second half wouldn’t blame the OC for that loss.

            We now have a real QB back there and I think a lot the complaints about throwing short or ignoring Pickens or the MOF will go away the more KP plays.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27532

              #7
              also notice there was no “but we blamed Ben” sarcasm post after the second half.

              Sure, we lost but it didn’t feel like it. We finally have a QB with some stones who is going to throw guys open and isn’t afraid of the big bad pass rush. The position looks different when you put a real QB back there. Mitch looked and played like a rusty QB who had a year off.
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • Chucktownsteeler
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 6849

                #8
                Well, you have to give Canada the benefit of the doubt the rest of the season. If the offense improves (which the current bar is low) he may get another 1 or 2 year extension.

                I like he has history with Kenny, but not much else.
                Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                • flippy
                  Legend
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 17088

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chucktownsteeler
                  Well, you have to give Canada the benefit of the doubt the rest of the season. If the offense improves (which the current bar is low) he may get another 1 or 2 year extension.

                  I like he has history with Kenny, but not much else.
                  Look how long Billy B lasted on the back of Tom Brady.

                  QBs make everyone around them.
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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #10
                    I would have never brought Matt Canada back this year after last season's debacle.

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27532

                      #11
                      Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                      I would have never brought Matt Canada back this year after last season's debacle.
                      I think the way KP and Canada perform will go a long way towards determining his future.

                      A of people are being lazy and just screaming “fire Canada”but if Pickett continues playing high completion football and ends the year with a stat line like:

                      3,000 yards 78% completions percentage and 16TD’s and 7 INT’s and a great 3rd down conversation rate do you move on from Canada because Ben was on his last
                      leg and Mitch looked like he should’ve never win the gig?

                      We aren’t going to move on from Canada if KP is playing high level football. It wouldn’t make sense IMO.
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • NorthCoast
                        Legend
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 26636

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        I keep seeing people bash Canada after Kenny came in. Why?

                        I don't "know" he is a good coordinator, but I don't know he is the problem either.

                        I've been saying the problem was at QB. What have been the complaints about Canada?

                        He only throws short. Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT just throw short.

                        "He ignores the middle." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT avoid the middle.

                        "Canada cannot scheme receivers open." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny found open receivers.

                        "He doesnt get Pickens involved enough."
                        Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT ignore Pickens. We saw his star shine.

                        "He is wasting our talented tight end".
                        Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny facilitated a career day for Freiermuth.

                        "Canada cannot convert."
                        Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny converted EVERY SINGLE THIRD DOWN.

                        We had NO NEED FOR A PUNTER in the second half.

                        Yes KENNY had picks.

                        HOW MANY WERE UNTOUCHED BY A RECEIVER?

                        Due to ALL OF THE ABOVE defenses stack the box which is why Najee has nowhere to run.

                        Najee has the best game of the season, with a plus 4 ypc average, 74 yards and with 16 yard run.

                        Truth? Under Kenny suddenly Canada's offense WAS FINE. In some regards, OUTSTANDING.

                        Exactly what we saw in the preseason.

                        Am I saying Canada is great? No.

                        What I am saying is that we cannot know he is not good.

                        What I do know is when we SAW RECEIVERS OPEN and others were blaming Canada, Kenny just proved us right.

                        I have a feeling we are going to be shocked at how good this offense can be.

                        I have a sneaky feeling the innovations are gonna show up and Kenny is the guy to run it.

                        Don't be so sure Canada's days are numbered.
                        I say bull. Two aggregious coaching errors happened in the game. First, with a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter Harris got the ball 2 times. That's it. The Jets didn't have him bottled up on the day. And Warren was having his best outing. Canada needs to go back and look at what gave Cowher his late game records. FAIL.

                        Second, it was pointed out by Matt Williamson and Dale Lolley on The Drive that every time Najee Harris lined up out wide the Jets used Sauce Gardner on him. You would think that would prompt Canada to scheme a wideout on a weaker CB. Canada hasn't shown me that he can make in-game adjustments. Many are saying it's the QB that finally takes over playcalling and puts the game in their hands. FAIL.

                        It is a rare occurrence when a Steeler WR is running wide open on a given play. Concepts to put DBs in stress are few and far between. There is a reason Trubisky was 2nd in the NFL in 'aggressive passing' (defender within 1 yd of receiver). FAIL

                        Canada hasn't shown enough that he should stay. He is now on his 3rd starting QB and people are still using the QB excuse for his offense.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 24373

                          #13
                          I think people are bashing Canada for the 20.5 games before Kenny came in where the offense has been pretty bad.

                          I agree that he was good enough calling plays for the half when Kenny was in to win the game.

                          Which sample do you trust more?

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27532

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            I say bull. Two aggregious coaching errors happened in the game. First, with a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter Harris got the ball 2 times. That's it. The Jets didn't have him bottled up on the day. And Warren was having his best outing. Canada needs to go back and look at what gave Cowher his late game records. FAIL.

                            Second, it was pointed out by Matt Williamson and Dale Lolley on The Drive that every time Najee Harris lined up out wide the Jets used Sauce Gardner on him. You would think that would prompt Canada to scheme a wideout on a weaker CB. Canada hasn't shown me that he can make in-game adjustments. Many are saying it's the QB that finally takes over playcalling and puts the game in their hands. FAIL.

                            It is a rare occurrence when a Steeler WR is running wide open on a given play. Concepts to put DBs in stress are few and far between. There is a reason Trubisky was 2nd in the NFL in 'aggressive passing' (defender within 1 yd of receiver). FAIL

                            Canada hasn't shown enough that he should stay. He is now on his 3rd starting QB and people are still using the QB excuse for his offense.
                            you forge the failed pitch that was set up nicely?
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • Joel Buchsbaum
                              Legend
                              • Jan 2021
                              • 7744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              I keep seeing people bash Canada after Kenny came in. Why?

                              I don't "know" he is a good coordinator, but I don't know he is the problem either.

                              I've been saying the problem was at QB. What have been the complaints about Canada?

                              He only throws short. Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT just throw short.

                              "He ignores the middle." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT avoid the middle.

                              "Canada cannot scheme receivers open." Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny found open receivers.

                              "He doesnt get Pickens involved enough."
                              Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny did NOT ignore Pickens. We saw his star shine.

                              "He is wasting our talented tight end".
                              Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny facilitated a career day for Freiermuth.

                              "Canada cannot convert."
                              Umm QBs are the ones throwing... Kenny converted EVERY SINGLE THIRD DOWN.

                              We had NO NEED FOR A PUNTER in the second half.

                              Yes KENNY had picks.

                              HOW MANY WERE UNTOUCHED BY A RECEIVER?

                              Due to ALL OF THE ABOVE defenses stack the box which is why Najee has nowhere to run.

                              Najee has the best game of the season, with a plus 4 ypc average, 74 yards and with 16 yard run.

                              Truth? Under Kenny suddenly Canada's offense WAS FINE. In some regards, OUTSTANDING.

                              Exactly what we saw in the preseason.

                              Am I saying Canada is great? No.

                              What I am saying is that we cannot know he is not good.

                              What I do know is when we SAW RECEIVERS OPEN and others were blaming Canada, Kenny just proved us right.

                              I have a feeling we are going to be shocked at how good this offense can be.

                              I have a sneaky feeling the innovations are gonna show up and Kenny is the guy to run it.

                              Don't be so sure Canada's days are numbered.
                              So, your are saying he isn't so bad after what a half of football vs the Jets? What about the other 3 and a half games? As fans we can not hear the conversations he has or the play calls, BUT I did mention we seldom go no huddle and rarely calls play action. Tell me why again he seldom calls it? Check the success rates for offense who run this. They average more yards per these attempts, right? I get he he calls so many receiver runs...at least they can run successfully outside. Harris can not! But in general I find his play calling to be very predictable. We saw that last year too! These are signs that he sucks. Convince me otherwise. He's a Tomlin hire OC, the OC has been fired lately with Ben, not promoted. He is part, but not all of the problem.
                              Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                              Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                              *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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