A Case for Canada

[feltdizz]

So, your are saying he isn't so bad after what a half of football vs the Jets? What about the other 3 and a half games? As fans we can not hear the conversations he has or the play calls, BUT I did mention we seldom go no huddle and rarely calls play action. Tell me why again he seldom calls it? Check the success rates for offense who run this. They average more yards per these attempts, right? I get he he calls so many receiver runs...at least they can run successfully outside. Harris can not! But in general I find his play calling to be very predictable. We saw that last year too! These are signs that he sucks. Convince me otherwise. He's a Tomlin hire OC, the OC has been fired lately with Ben, not promoted. He is part, but not all of the problem.

I don’t think Canada can scheme Trubisky into a good QB. Dude was just bad.

I think what Cap is saying is the same plays with KP under center will lead to positive results more times than not because KP actually goes through his progressions quickly and puts the ball in spots that give WR’a chances to make plays.

KP threw a 3 yard pass to DJ and he ran for 6 yards to get a first down. The ball placement is everything on that pass. DU is able to look upfield and square his shoulders while catching the pass. Sometimes those passes by Mitch are into the WR’s body which forces DJ to come back 2 yards before turning around.. and its a no gain or 2 yard gain.

For me.. I saw 4 passes last half from KP that you usually only see once a game or every 2 games from Trubisky.

He just doesn’t pull the trigger on critical downs.

[Captain Lemming]

I think people are bashing Canada for the 20.5 games before Kenny came in where the offense has been pretty bad.

I agree that he was good enough calling plays for the half when Kenny was in to win the game.

Which sample do you trust more?

The 100 percent sample with Kenny which is not a half. It happens EVERY TIME HE PLAYED. I was sold in the PRESEASON.

All we saw Sunday was confirmation what we saw in the preseason was NOT just about playing third stringers like people thought.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I say bull. Two aggregious coaching errors happened in the game. First, with a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter Harris got the ball 2 times. That's it. The Jets didn't have him bottled up on the day. And Warren was having his best outing. Canada needs to go back and look at what gave Cowher his late game records. FAIL.

Second, it was pointed out by Matt Williamson and Dale Lolley on The Drive that every time Najee Harris lined up out wide the Jets used Sauce Gardner on him. You would think that would prompt Canada to scheme a wideout on a weaker CB. Canada hasn't shown me that he can make in-game adjustments. Many are saying it's the QB that finally takes over playcalling and puts the game in their hands. FAIL.

It is a rare occurrence when a Steeler WR is running wide open on a given play. Concepts to put DBs in stress are few and far between. There is a reason Trubisky was 2nd in the NFL in 'aggressive passing' (defender within 1 yd of receiver). FAIL

Canada hasn't shown enough that he should stay. He is now on his 3rd starting QB and people are still using the QB excuse for his offense.

Solid points. It's the scheme and play calling ( his job ) as much as the players.

[feltdizz]

I think people are bashing Canada for the 20.5 games before Kenny came in where the offense has been pretty bad.

I agree that he was good enough calling plays for the half when Kenny was in to win the game.

Which sample do you trust more?

I actually trust the sample with KP more than the 20.5 games with a 40 year old QB and a mediocre guy who didn’t start one game last year.

While Ben is a Hofer, he was a shell of himself last year. Mitch has always been suspect.

I know its a small sample size but KP finished 3rd in Heisman voting and looks quicker in all aspects of the game compared to Mitch.

I think when the ball comes out quickly and accurately it makes the execution look a lot better.

On Muths 18 yard completion over the middle. With Mitch its probably a sack and we spend time bashing our OL protection. With Ben its probably a short pass to DJ because he wasn’t throwing that pass past year for some season.

This is the type of change that happens when you have a young QB with that dawg in him.

How do you explain how abysmal are 3rd down conversations rate is with Mitch in the first half vs KP’s perfect 3rd down conversions in the second half?

Did Canada call better plays?

[feltdizz]

Solid points. It's the scheme and play calling ( his job ) as much as the players.

and yet, KP threw for 120 yards in the second half and was 10/10 in passes that weren’t intercepted.

[feltdizz]

The 100 percent sample with Kenny which is not a half. It happens EVERY TIME HE PLAYED. I was sold in the PRESEASON.

All we saw Sunday was confirmation what we saw in the preseason was NOT just about playing third stringers like people thought.

yeah.. how does KP have such a high completion percentage compared to the other QB’s? Maybe he is just younger and better than Ben at 40 and Mitch at any age? lol..

Its not like Canada has another set of plays for Kenny.

[Captain Lemming]

I say bull. Two aggregious coaching errors happened in the game. First, with a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter Harris got the ball 2 times. That's it. The Jets didn't have him bottled up on the day. And Warren was having his best outing. Canada needs to go back and look at what gave Cowher his late game records. FAIL.

Really?
Najee ran "better". He wasn't looking like Nick Chubb. He ran for 4.1 ypc with a 16 yard run. Yes, our run game was improved sprinkled in as it was.

But dont get it twisted. There is no Dermotti or Faneca here. We aren't capable of imposing our will like Cowher did with the guys on THIS line.

We were moving the ball at will with EXACTLY what we were doing. The Jets were helpless. If not for Freiermuths ability to tip a pass intended to be thrown out of bounds, we could not be stopped.

Second, it was pointed out by Matt Williamson and Dale Lolley on The Drive that every time Najee Harris lined up out wide the Jets used Sauce Gardner on him. You would think that would prompt Canada to scheme a wideout on a weaker CB. Canada hasn't shown me that he can make in-game adjustments.

That is more "reaching" than Pat did on that tipped pass.

"Every time" they said? That is "plural" is it not?
How often is a 240 pound back typically lined up wide?

Rather than state the point, how bout you ponder the implications of the statement "every time".

It is a rare occurrence when a Steeler WR is running wide open on a given play.

It is rare that ANY receiver is WIDE open, when a QB doesn't even LOOK beyond 10 yards deep.

There is a reason Trubisky was 2nd in the NFL in 'aggressive passing' (defender within 1 yd of receiver).

Yeah, I just said it.

Canada hasn't shown enough that he should stay.

THAT is ridiculous.
I agree with what THIS GUY said:

I don't "know" he is a good coordinator.

Oh wait.
That IS what you said.
Sometimes we get so deep into an argument we don't realize when we actually AGREE.

My ENTIRE POINT is NOT that he has shown enough that he should stay.
The point is he sure doesn't look like he should be fired when his QB is neither over the hill, nor a scrub.

All I know is when Kenny plays thus far we move the ball WITH AN EASE we haven't seen since Ben/Brown/Bell NorthCoast.

Time will tell if it continues. Might flame out.
Im saying NOW that we might have a good QB, how bout we keep an open mind?

[Monalo]

I think Canada finally has the right QB for this offense.
Needs a QB with good mobility, ball placement and reads progressions quickly.
The QB makes the offense go and neither Ben or MT had all these qualities in 1 package.

Let’s see how this offense goes with the right QB before running Canada out of town.

I was happy to the QB sneak back in the playbook.

[Captain Lemming]

I think Canada finally has the right QB for this offense.
Needs a QB with good mobility, ball placement and reads progressions quickly.
The QB makes the offense go and neither Ben or MT had all these qualities in 1 package.

Let’s see how this offense goes with the right QB before running Canada out of town.

I was happy to the QB sneak back in the playbook.

And it is more than this. Old man Ben or Mitch with this line and run game aren't going to make ANY offense look good.

We have an unproven ROOKIE and it looks so much better.

[feltdizz]

Really?
Najee ran "better". He wasn't looking like Nick Chubb. He ran for 4.1 ypc with a 16 yard run. Our run game was better sprinkled in.

We aren't capable of imposing our will like Cowher did with THIS line.

We were moving the ball at will with EXACTLY what we were doing. The Jets were helpless. If not for Freiermuths ability to tip a pass intended to be thrown out of bounds, we could not be stopped.



That is more "reaching" than Pat did on that tipped pass.

"Every time" they said? That is "plural" is it not?
How often is a 240 pound back typically lined up wide?

Rather than state the point, how bout you ponder the implications of the implications of the statement "every time".



It is rare that ANY receiver is WIDE open, when a QB doesn't even LOOK beyond 10 yards deep.



Yeah, I just said it.



THAT is ridiculous.
I agree with what THIS GUY said:

Oh wait.
That IS what you said.
Sometimes we get so deep into an argument we don't realize when we actually AGREE.

My ENTIRE POINT is NOT that he has shown enough that he should stay.
The point is he sure doesn't look like he should be fired when his QB is neither over the hill, nor a scrub.

All I know is when Kenny plays thus far we move the ball WITH AN EASE we haven't seen since Ben/Brown/Bell NorthCoast.

Time will tell if it continues. Might flame out.
Im saying NOW that we might have a good QB, how bout we keep an open mind?

Exactly.. if Kenny keeps having success and moves the football it proves that it was probably the QB and not the OC at fault for some of the production on offense.

I think in one half we witnessed that WR’s are running past the sticks and if thrown accurately there chances of success are pretty high.

It was just one half but I think the preseason also showed evidence as well in regards to KP moving the chains.

I’m excited to see what KP looks like now that he is getting reps with the first team. He said he had to “steal” reps any chance he got during practice anytime DJ and company were available.

[feltdizz]

And it is more than this. Old man Ben or Mitch with this line and run game aren't going to make ANY offense look good.

We have an unproven ROOKIE and it looks so much better.

I love Picketts response to getting hit.

“Its not tough, its in the job description.. My job is to stand tall in the pocket and make throws. I really don’t care, I know they will get it right..”’



Again, we have our QB folks.

[Monalo]

And it is more than this. Old man Ben or Mitch with this line and run game aren't going to make ANY offense look good.

We have an unproven ROOKIE and it looks so much better.

Right, in 1 half the offense looked a lot better.
I think the run game will also look better once defenses see that we can pass downfield successfully.
We won't see 8 and 9 men in the box as much. If so, I think Pickett will make them pay.

[NJ-STEELER]

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We won't see 8 and 9 men in the box as much. If so, I think Pickett will make them pay.

I think we already saw sone of that Sunday. RBs seemed to have more space to run through in 2nd half

[TheRealTazz864]

I would have never brought Matt Canada back this year after last season's debacle.

Was Ben too immobile for the plays Canada wanted to use?? Did he check to passes and then throw short because the line wasn't giving him time to throw deeper?? It's fair to criticize the younger line a season ago, but the improvement on the line is evident, so that criticism is dated, this season...

[NorthCoast]

Right, in 1 half the offense looked a lot better.
I think the run game will also look better once defenses see that we can pass downfield successfully.
We won't see 8 and 9 men in the box as much. If so, I think Pickett will make them pay.

Misinformation. Harris has faced 8 men in the box at about a league average rate. Pacheco, Hunt, Henry and Chubb lead the league.