Moats thinks Spillane playing over Bush could mean something in camp

[Northern_Blitz]

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The blocking is very, very good. Which isn't surprising given the eventual draft positions of the guys in front.

But Joel's incorrect to say that "every" first contact is 10 yards down field (obviously).

And as I've said in just about all posts about Najee's speed, he does lots and lots of things well. No player is "perfect" (see: Big Ben, who is arguably the best player in franchise history).

[NorthCoast]

I wonder what the distribution looks like (re: how tightly the groups are around the average).

My guess is that 30 is pretty bad (after having seen it).

27th is also probably pretty bad.

But I bet if you can get to around 20, you're pretty tight to the mean (even though you're technically below average).

I think we'll need to get there to look half-decent this year.

So...fingers cross (toes too).

Fairly evenly distributed; PIT's power success was 58% (27th). ATL was worst at 50% (32nd). TEN and TB were ~80% (#1 and #2). (page is copy protected so can't show the whole league).

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Excuse me....I think I'm lost. I came into this thread looking for information on the battle at ILB. Can someone please point me to those posts?

[Northern_Blitz]

Fairly evenly distributed; PIT's power success was 58% (27th). ATL was worst at 50% (32nd). TEN and TB were ~80% (#1 and #2). (page is copy protected so can't show the whole league).

Thanks NC.

[Northern_Blitz]

Excuse me....I think I'm lost. I came into this thread looking for information on the battle at ILB. Can someone please point me to those posts?

Maybe somewhere in one of the posts on the Ravens' QB?

[Mr.wizard]

If that were true, I think Bell would have had more long runs.

You want speed too.

But it's not the only trait that matters. And I think Najee has many traits that are more important than speed.

But he's not likely to get those big runs very often.

But he will do many other things consistently well.

He had a lot and actually a lot more than I thought. But I will say he looks slower than Najee.

[Mr.wizard]

If that were true, I think Bell would have had more long runs.

You want speed too.

But it's not the only trait that matters. And I think Najee has many traits that are more important than speed.

But he's not likely to get those big runs very often.

But he will do many other things consistently well.

Lets clarify what I think maybe a point of confusion is here. What do you consider a long run? For me its over 15 yards, my reasoning is at that point you are most certainly past the Linebackers and at that point in the second level where making a guy miss could turn into a 50 yard td run.

[feltdizz]

Lets clarify what I think maybe a point of confusion is here. What do you consider a long run? For me its over 15 yards, my reasoning is at that point you are most certainly past the Linebackers and at that point in the second level where making a guy miss could turn into a 50 yard td run.

who are all these fast RB’s with a bunch of 20+ runs?

There are 8 players ahead of Najee with more 20 yard runs.. and one of them is Josh Allen with 9 of them.

Just remember this was Najee’s first year behind a terrible OL. Najee wasn’t being tracked down from behind on a bunch of plays where we have to question if he can run away from people.

[feltdizz]

Lets clarify what I think maybe a point of confusion is here. What do you consider a long run? For me its over 15 yards, my reasoning is at that point you are most certainly past the Linebackers and at that point in the second level where making a guy miss could turn into a 50 yard td run.

Mixon is. good example of a quicker RB who hasn’t shown his speed resulting in a bunch of long runs.

Its not as easy as saying “he hasn’t done it yet (after 1 year) so he CAN’T do it”

[Northern_Blitz]

Lets clarify what I think maybe a point of confusion is here. What do you consider a long run? For me its over 15 yards, my reasoning is at that point you are most certainly past the Linebackers and at that point in the second level where making a guy miss could turn into a 50 yard td run.

I'm taking about really long runs. Like take it to the house FWP in the SB runs. Get one crack and go.

That wasn't what Bell delivered.

And I don't think it will be what Harris gives us.

But that doesn't mean Harris can't be very good. Bell was arguably the best back in football for a few years. And I think Harris could be similar because (like Bell), he's very good at many things. And like Bell, we'll probably give him lots and lots of touches with no thought to managing his work load (because the next-best option is so much worse).

I think Harris will need to have consistently high success rates. And I think he's capable. But it probably also makes him more dependent on the OL. I think we made the right choice when we drafted him, but that was the argument for the other guy (can't remember his name, but he was hurt last season). He was more of a speed guy who only needed one mistake from the D to score. And maybe when your OL is crappy, there's an argument that kind of player is...because you need consistently good OL play to be consistently successful.

But I like that we chose Harris because (1) I think he's a good player and (2) I think he's a good person that I don't feel conflicted about cheering for.

[Northern_Blitz]

Henry big runs

[Northern_Blitz]

Nick Chubb 88 yard run. If this was Harris, I think the safety gets the angle on him. Would still be a very good play, but not a TD. Which maybe matters if the rest of your O isn't great.

[Northern_Blitz]

Again, I'll be very happy if I'm wrong about this.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

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The blocking is very, very good. Which isn't surprising given the eventual draft positions of the guys in front.

But Joel's incorrect to say that "every" first contact is 10 yards down field (obviously).

And as I've said in just about all posts about Najee's speed, he does lots and lots of things well. No player is "perfect" (see: Big Ben, who is arguably the best player in franchise history).

It reads on the 47 runs that were charted, Harris first contact happened 10.6 yards past the line of scrimmage on average. Not every play, but on average meaning some happened sooner and some later.

Harris will never get blocking like that in the NFL! Check the link and read it again please.

[Northern_Blitz]

It reads on the 47 runs that were charted, Harris first contact happened 10.6 yards past the line of scrimmage on average. Not every play, but on average meaning some happened sooner and some later.

Harris will never get blocking like that in the NFL! Check the link and read it again please.

Yep...on average.

There are some of these really long runs where he's not touched until he's down (often carrying a guy a few yards). But that first contact sometimes happens 15 to 20 yards downfield. Sometimes, not contacted at all IIRC.

That means that there are some where the contact happens earlier (#math)