Moats thinks Spillane playing over Bush could mean something in camp

[Mr.wizard]

I just prefer to wait more than 1 year in the NFL to come to that conclusion.

I could see if we had a top 10 OL or had guys breaking runs all day but Najee just can’t seem to break one but that isn’t the case.

If Najee busted off a long run in the first game of the season then what?

We had the worst rushing OL in football last year. Not sure how anyone can make such a strong declaration based on last year.

That was my next question, what if he snaps off a 60yd td run in the first game.

[Northern_Blitz]

That was my next question, what if he snaps off a 60yd td run in the first game.

As I've said several times here, I don't have a problem saying I'm wrong when we get more info.

I just think that the default position should be that he can't do it until he shows us he can.

I'll certainly be happy if he rips off a 60 yarder this year (because it's almost certainly 6 points).

[Joel Buchsbaum]

The game is changing with RB's. Gone are the 4 yards and a cloud of dust. In are the backs who can do something in the passing game and running game with big plays and High yards per rush, and receive for a high yards per pass. The will always be a need for the back who can run for the tough two yards, but beyond 3rd and three plays it is pretty much a passing game. That's how I see it. Harris is good at the run and as a pass catcher, but not a high yards per carry guy not a high yards per reception guy. Look at the dives that score of 70 yards or more. Most of them have big plays in the....vs. the run or pass, don't they? Do Harris get them? Not enough I say. For whatever reason backs aren't as durable as the used to be. Their self lives are shorter and it rare for an NFL running back to be productive as he needs to be beyond the age of 32. Could be sooner in many cases. It's a very replaceable position and the NFL is very rewarding to receivers for their new contacts, but very cautious on giving a long term second deals to the backs unless they are elite and not injury prone. Use Zeke Elliot for example, an elite rb in his early years, but now he's not the same vs the pass or run and he's just 27.

https://www.nfl.com/players/ezekiel-elliott/stats/career

[Captain Lemming]

That was my next question, what if he snaps off a 60yd td run in the first game.

James Harrison went for 99 yards. Doesn't mean he is FWP.

My take? I DO NOT THINK FOR ONE SECOND Najee is a 4.45 guy. I think he had no official time for a reason, once that time started floating around he chose not to time in front of scouts.

That said WHO CARES.
If speed was the only criteria FWP would be our standard. Emmitt ain't in the same universe as Tony Dorsett among Cowboys.

Fact is churning chunks with consistency wins more than a guy who bursts for 50 yards a couple times a season.

Going back to championships as the measure. How many speed demons have multiple rings as a starter? Heck, I can only think of fast Willie.

Most are grinders who don't put you in 3rd and 8 all the time when they aren't breaking long runs.

[Captain Lemming]

To illustrate lets compare outstanding SB performances of 2 backs at the extremes in 40 times:

Fast Willie Parker.
With his 4.23 40 the FASTEST back to ever start a SB.
Terrell Davis.
With a 4.72 40, an EXTREMELY slow time for a running back.

FWP first SB? 10 for 93 yards, 9.3 ypc, one of the highest is SB history.
ONE 75 yard run and 9 for 18 the rest of the game. Exactly TWO YARDS PER CARRY outside of ONE TD run.

Terrell Davis first SB. 30 for 157 THREE touchdowns.
NO long breakaway touchdown runs, all three TDs, 1 yard runs. A mere 5 and change per carry.

Which performance would YOU chose?

Both 2 time champions had short careers but that stat-line is a microcosm of why Davis (4.72 40) is a HOFer and Willie (4.23) ain't close.

Is Najee REALLY a 4.45 guy? Is he 4.5, 4.6?

Reminder? Davis followed that SB win with a 2000 yard season, league MVP and a SECOND championship.

I'd take that all day long.

[hawaiiansteel]

rarely hear anything good about Bush making plays:

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

LB Robert Spillane having a great day. Dominating this team session right now, blowing up screens and shooting gaps against the run. #Steelers

Buddy Johnson tips quick out route and Chris Steele picks it. 2nd INT by Pickett today.

Myles Jack with end zone tip on Trubisky throw. He's been consistently impressive in coverage throughout camp.

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[NorthCoast]

The game is changing with RB's. Gone are the 4 yards and a cloud of dust. In are the backs who can do something in the passing game and running game with big plays and High yards per rush, and receive for a high yards per pass. The will always be a need for the back who can run for the tough two yards, but beyond 3rd and three plays it is pretty much a passing game. That's how I see it. Harris is good at the run and as a pass catcher, but not a high yards per carry guy not a high yards per reception guy. Look at the dives that score of 70 yards or more. Most of them have big plays in the....vs. the run or pass, don't they? Do Harris get them? Not enough I say. For whatever reason backs aren't as durable as the used to be. Their self lives are shorter and it rare for an NFL running back to be productive as he needs to be beyond the age of 32. Could be sooner in many cases. It's a very replaceable position and the NFL is very rewarding to receivers for their new contacts, but very cautious on giving a long term second deals to the backs unless they are elite and not injury prone. Use Zeke Elliot for example, an elite rb in his early years, but now he's not the same vs the pass or run and he's just 27.

https://www.nfl.com/players/ezekiel-elliott/stats/career

Sure about your info? Harris was 6th in the NFL for RBs in Yards after contact per reception (min. 30 rec.). He led all RBs with 219 yds after contact on pass plays.

[Northern_Blitz]

rarely hear anything good about Bush making plays:

Alex Kozora
@Alex_Kozora

LB Robert Spillane having a great day. Dominating this team session right now, blowing up screens and shooting gaps against the run. #Steelers

Buddy Johnson tips quick out route and Chris Steele picks it. 2nd INT by Pickett today.

Myles Jack with end zone tip on Trubisky throw. He's been consistently impressive in coverage throughout camp.

https://twitter.com/Alex_Kozora?ref_...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

I'm hopeful for Bush...but not optimistic.

[Northern_Blitz]

Sure about your info? Harris was 6th in the NFL for RBs in Yards after contact per reception (min. 30 rec.). He led all RBs with 219 yds after contact on pass plays.

Seems like getting him some space is a good plan.

He runs hard.

Like Bell, I think it will be hard to limit his touches. Because the drop off will be pretty steep.

[NorthCoast]

I'm hopeful for Bush...but not optimistic.

I don't think Flores rope will be very long for Bush. In fact Flores strikes me as a guy with little patience for subpar play.