Minkah Reaches Deal

[Northern_Blitz]

You are looking at the market. I don't disagree that is the market.
My take FOR YEARS has been the market for receivers is stupid PERIOD.

I don't care about market trends.

We are loaded at receiver and have DJ cheap this season. We reload at will. The league is full of receivers. Just draft them and let them be a burden on another stupid team. Ditto backs.

My value is related to how replaceable a player is.

DJ was a Pro Bowler (barely) right? Let me ask.
How many excellent receivers have we drafted without trading up? Might need to get a friend you might run out of fingers.

Do that with secondary. Go back TWENTY, THIRTY years?
Talented but no hands Ike? Hands but no talent Gay? Chris Hope?
Pay your pass rushers too. Hard to find great ones.

Spend that money saved on receivers on defense. Pay something for offensive line.

But I'm never paying a barely probowl receiver as much as a young two time all pro secondary player we had to trade away a number 1 to aquire.

If DJ walks we will be fine. We will be able to buy more defense or a tackle instead.

I 100% understand and probably 85% agree. The points Id slightly quibble with are (1) loaded at WR because everyone not DJ has question marks and (2) without a market level QB, you have room to spend on skill guys (I'd prefer an elite CB too, but one has to be available and interested in coming...I'd overpay on that now too).

DJ would be crazy to agree to a deal you and I would be comfortable with at this point. Because it would be (way?) undermarket.

Maybe we get forced into tagging him next year if the rookies end up looking like they cant play to at least a WR2 level. Then I'd want to draft WRs fairly high again (which we should probably always be doing with at least one day 1 to 2 pick).

I wouldn't want to do a longer term deal if he wants market rate.

Edited to add: For contract purposes, I don't think DJ counts as a pro-bowler. He wasn't on the original team IIRC. Just added because others could make it.
2nd edit: although profootball reference lists him as a probowler.

[Bawb the Revelator]

It will be interesting to see how the contract is structured. It's good that the Steelers were able to resign another key core member of the team.

Great! Now PUHLEEZE sign Colt FA LT Eric Fisher so I can
die happy even if it doesn't happen for 10 or 20 years or so

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Now highest-paid safety in NFL history

4 year extension

$18.4 M per year

$36 M guaranteed

A little high, but he's worth the money. We are not signing Johnson!

[Prowler]

Leads team in tackles.
Leads all players in the NFL save for linebackers in tackles.
Had 124 total tackles- 2010 DMVP Troy P had 64.

Yes he had more opportunities because linebackers were trash true. But he cleaned up their mess ALL SEASON LONG.

You are ridiculous man.

I stand by my opinion of Fitzpatrick. He was one of the worst Safeties in the league in 2021, and not worth the millions of dollars they just threw at him. His PFF grade proves this. I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with you.

[Buzz]

I will say what I said about Bell.
I don't doubt he will get paid...just hope it is not by us.

I don't disagree that is the market value.
My take FOR YEARS has been the market for receivers is stupid PERIOD.

I don't care about market trends.

We are loaded at receiver and have DJ cheap this season. We reload at will. The league is full of receivers. Just draft them and let them be a burden on another stupid team. Ditto backs.

My value is related to how replaceable a player is.

DJ was a Pro Bowler (barely) right? Let me ask.
How many excellent receivers have we drafted without trading up? Might need to get a friend you might run out of fingers.

Do that with secondary. At our original draft spot. Go back TWENTY, THIRTY, FORTY, years?
Talented but no hands Ike? Hands but no talent Gay? Chris Hope?

Nevermind Tomlin.... COWHER era too. Woodson and Lake drafted by NOLL were the last ones.

Pay your pass rushers too. Hard to find great ones.

Spend that money saved on receivers on defense. Pay something for offensive line.

But I'm never paying a barely probowl receiver as much as a young two time all pro secondary player we had to trade away a number 1 to aquire.

If DJ walks we will be fine. We will be able to buy more defense or a tackle instead.

I agree, and for the most part, I like DJ.

[Northern_Blitz]

I stand by my opinion of Fitzpatrick. He was one of the worst Safeties in the league in 2021, and not worth the millions of dollars they just threw at him. His PFF grade proves this. I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with you.

He's been an all-pro 2 of 3 seasons with us.

And the cap is ever increasing. So the next very good player to get a contract at X position almost always becomes the highest paid X in the league.

Minkah won't be the highest paid S for long. And the cap is expected to jump a lot in the next few years (although who knows if that ends up holding given what looks like not great economic times on the horizon).

[Captain Lemming]

I stand by my opinion of Fitzpatrick. He was one of the worst Safeties in the league in 2021, and not worth the millions of dollars they just threw at him. His PFF grade proves this. I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with you.

Even if your assessment was true (based on an outfit that is so accurate it actually thinks TJ Watt is no better than the third best edge player) consider this-

Last season this "free" safety forced into a role that takes him out of his best contribution to the team.

Like Deebo in Cincy.

It is like if Ed Reed was forced to play in the box all year because the linebackers were trash. If judged on the basis of ONE SEASON of that role, he wouldn't be in the role that makes him special.

When playing as a true deep free safety, his ability to read and react to a QB, not only allows him to make plays, but makes QBs cautious, and thus hurts their effectiveness.

In his proper role Minkah was without peer. The one element that turned our defense around in 2019.

You wanna know why he got paid?

He is the biggest difference maker in our secondary since Troy.

[Prowler]

Even if your assessment was true (based on an outfit that is so accurate it actually thinks TJ Watt is no better than the third best edge player) consider this-

Last season the dude is a "free" safety forced into a role that takes him out of his best contribution to the team.

Like Deebo in Cincy.

It is like if Ed Reed was forced to play in the box all year because the linebackers were trash. If judged on the basis of ONE SEASON of that role, he wouldn't be in the role that makes him special.

When playing as a true deep free safety, his ability to read and react to a QB, not only allows him to make plays, but makes QBs cautious, and thus hurts their effectiveness.

If you believe that 2 of the worse ILBs in the league last season are going to play so well in 2022, that it will allow Minkah to be freed up to make plays at FS, I have a sinkhole in Florida for you to build a home on. We're going to have the same problem this season. Get familiar with that 59.8 grade Minkah had last season. This is a bad deal because it's the wrong time for Minkah to have a chance be successful.

[Bawb the Revelator]

If you believe that 2 of the worse ILBs in the league last season are going to play so well in 2022, that it will allow Minkah to be freed up to make plays at FS, I have a sinkhole in Florida for you to build a home on. We're going to have the same problem this season. Get familiar with that 59.8 grade Minkah had last season. This is a bad deal because it's the wrong time for Minkah to have a chance be successful.

Prowler - I'm totally down with keeping Planet Steelers a thriving football entity. I posted my FINAL political comment a few minutes ago. You're a bright, well informed guy and I expect at least as good from you.

[Shawn]

If you believe that 2 of the worse ILBs in the league last season are going to play so well in 2022, that it will allow Minkah to be freed up to make plays at FS, I have a sinkhole in Florida for you to build a home on. We're going to have the same problem this season. Get familiar with that 59.8 grade Minkah had last season. This is a bad deal because it's the wrong time for Minkah to have a chance be successful.

Do any of the moves the Steelers make meet your approval? If not, why is your genius not being snatched up and paid by the Steelers? I can't remember a single post where you like a Steelers, Tomlin move.

[Northern_Blitz]

I stand by my opinion of Fitzpatrick. He was one of the worst Safeties in the league in 2021, and not worth the millions of dollars they just threw at him. His PFF grade proves this. I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with you.

I think it's fine to think he's not worth to of the market money. These kind of deals usually mean the best you can do (at least early in the contract) is to break even in value IMO.

But if your conclusion is based on your idea that he's not able to tackle and "avoids contact all the time" based on his past last year, you're dimply incorrect.

[Northern_Blitz]

FWIW, like Watt I wish it was 5 extended years because 4 makes us more likely to sign a bad value 3rd contract IMO

[Shawn]

Prowler - I'm totally down with keeping Planet Steelers a thriving football entity. I posted my FINAL political comment a few minutes ago. You're a bright, well informed guy and I expect at least as good from you.

Prowler is neither bright or informed. He has been a troll here for the last 11 years. I can't think of a single positive contribution he's made to this site.

[Bawb the Revelator]

Do any of the moves the Steelers make meet your approval? If not, why is your genius not being snatched up and paid by the Steelers? I can't remember a single post where you like a Steelers, Tomlin move.

Perhaps Prowler isn't a Steeler fan. If not, a house cleaning is needed, tout de suite.

[Prowler]

Do any of the moves the Steelers make meet your approval? If not, why is your genius not being snatched up and paid by the Steelers? I can't remember a single post where you like a Steelers, Tomlin move.

Some of the Steelers moves I approve of this offseason are the drafting, signing or resigning of Pickett, Pickens, Oladokun, Daniels, Cole, Alualu, Wallace, Witherspoon, Adams, Tuszka and Olszewski. You can't think of a single post because you're imagining racism around every corner when it doesn't exist. I keep pointing this out to you.