Opinion, we won't re-sign Johnson

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I’m willing to give Claypool a year with other QB’s before writing him off.

i'm not writing him off... as long as he's under contract, use him. However, he's not the front runner, IMO.

Chase needs his eyes checked, said it over and over again. The "50-50" balls he gets thrown his way turn out to be "5-95" for some reason. He simply doesn't come down with them.

well, he's not a natural hands catcher, so that plays into it, too. If it's inside his frame, he's usually using his body to secure it.

[NorthCoast]

Saw where one media type claimed that all of Johnson's drops last season came when he was playing out of position in the slot. Not sure how true this is. Says Johnson should be exclusively an outside receiver... More space he can use to get open. In the slot there's too many big bodies and Johnson's not big enough to take the roughing up by LBs or big safeties coming down.

[Captain Lemming]

If Johnson keeps this approach we will work out a contract. As much as I think these WR’s are overpriced we tend to pay our guy or at least attempt to.. its up to Johnson if he wants to stay here or chase big bucks.

I fear that you might be right. I hope we don't do it.

I’m willing to give Claypool a year with other QB’s before writing him off.

If you are right about signing DJ, we need to be choosing him OVER Chase as the long term answer.

With all the young talent we have, and the price of receivers it would be stupid to sign both.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Saw where one media type claimed that all of Johnson's drops last season came when he was playing out of position in the slot. Not sure how true this is. Says Johnson should be exclusively an outside receiver... More space he can use to get open. In the slot there's too many big bodies and Johnson's not big enough to take the roughing up by LBs or big safeties coming down.

Actually its easier to get a clean release in the slot because its tougher to jam a receiver in the slot. Outside DB's don't respect his playing speed, and the side lines and end zone are places he'll never shine due his lack of size. He's a quick route runner who can get open short. Mediocre beyond that.

[Mr.wizard]

Actually its easier to get a clean release in the slot because its tougher to jam a receiver in the slot. Outside DB's don't respect his playing speed, and the side lines and end zone are places he'll never shine due his lack of size. He's a quick route runner who can get open short. Mediocre beyond that.

Except versus Man coverage and press coverage playing on the outside, Johnson was outstanding. So on the outside is exactly where Johnson has shined. Johnson doesn't play in the slot because it's a position that takes a lot of contact and he simply isn't built for it.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Except versus Man coverage and press coverage playing on the outside, Johnson was outstanding. So on the outside is exactly where Johnson has shined. Johnson doesn't play in the slot because it's a position that takes a lot of contact and he simply isn't built for it.

So you saying he's not good vs press coverage or man coverage? Agreed. I agree that he's good with zone coverage. That's only part of the time.

Usually the small quick players who are tough, and can go over the middle are slot guys. That's not Johnson. On the outside he's sucks as a blocker . He a good short to medium guy that cuts and runs routes well. The reason he shines in zone. The more I think about it he should be traded ideally of a 1st, if not a 2nd. Get some value for him.

[Mr.wizard]

So you saying he's not good vs press coverage or man coverage? Agreed. I agree that he's good with zone coverage. That's only part of the time.

Usually the small quick players who are tough, and can go over the middle are slot guys. That's not Johnson. On the outside he's sucks as a blocker . He a good short to medium guy that cuts and runs routes well. The reason he shines in zone. The more I think about it he should be traded ideally of a 1st, if not a 2nd. Get some value for him.

No dammit! he was excellent against man and press coverages, he was excellent against zone as well.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

No dammit! he was excellent against man and press coverages, he was excellent against zone as well.

Okay then, I'll respect that opinion though I'm in the camp of he's good but not that good! He's lowly average and lack of big plays are in games. He's not big, or strong of fast. He has short areas quickness yes but a top 10 WR he's not. I say not top 20, and I do not want to give him a 4 year 80 million dollar deal or anything close to that. No way. Trade him or the comp pick...we have other WR's.

I'll trust Khan to know that we have two hot rookies potentially replacing him, and another man who thinks he's now a top 20 receiver....at least he produces a good yards per catch and in general had more difficult catches to make. Maybe he is a top 20 WR and he currently on a cheap rookie contact not to expire for three years. But top 3 WR, show me that on the field!

[Mr.wizard]

Okay then, I'll respect that opinion though I'm in the camp of he's good but not that good! He's lowly average and lack of big plays are in games. He's not big, or strong of fast. He has short areas quickness yes but a top 10 WR he's not. I say not top 20, and I do not want to give him a 4 year 80 million dollar deal or anything close to that. No way. Trade him or the comp pick...we have other WR's.

I'll trust Khan to know that we have two hot rookies potentially replacing him, and another man who thinks he's now a top 20 receiver....at least he produces a good yards per catch and in general had more difficult catches to make. Maybe he is a top 20 WR and he currently on a cheap rookie contact not to expire for three years. But top 3 WR, show me that on the field!

Its not an opinion its by the numbers, which is why he is in the discussion for a big contract. He isnt an elite catcher of the football or physically elite but his value is in his ability to get open versus any type of coverage and thats what the numbers show. Do the Steelers sign him, I lean towards probably not but someone will and he deserves it because he is a good player.

[Shawn]

Johnson is sulking, and he should be. His chances of getting a new contact from the Steelers appear thin. In fact his role with the team is unclear. He's isn't an outside the numbers type of player. He's a weak blocker. He isn't fast, and suddenly his job is in a danger as a slot guy by rookie Austin who's much faster, doesn't have a problem catching the ball and will burn those not respecting his speed, which is world class. Rookie WR Pickens is a star in the making for anyone who has seen him..in a lot of areas and Claypool is still developing. We got receiver covered and signed for cheap for years. His drops, and very few yards per catch will be a thing or the past with the Steelers because he'll be a free agent soon. Adios. That is unless the Steelers re-sign him for an estimated 80 Million dollar contract for 4 years. I think not! In fact I think his value to the suitors is greatly exaggerated by the NFL. You'll see in free agency. Let him walk and with luck with get a 5th round comp pick! I'd take a 6th round comp pick for him after the season ends.

Now that's a solid contribution and I agree completely.

[Bawb the Revelator]

Except versus Man coverage and press coverage playing on the outside, Johnson was outstanding. So on the outside is exactly where Johnson has shined. Johnson doesn't play in the slot because it's a position that takes a lot of contact and he simply isn't built for it.

A solid Steeler comment today on PS? Sacre bleu!

[Mr.wizard]

Okay then, I'll respect that opinion though I'm in the camp of he's good but not that good! He's lowly average and lack of big plays are in games. He's not big, or strong of fast. He has short areas quickness yes but a top 10 WR he's not. I say not top 20, and I do not want to give him a 4 year 80 million dollar deal or anything close to that. No way. Trade him or the comp pick...we have other WR's.

I'll trust Khan to know that we have two hot rookies potentially replacing him, and another man who thinks he's now a top 20 receiver....at least he produces a good yards per catch and in general had more difficult catches to make. Maybe he is a top 20 WR and he currently on a cheap rookie contact not to expire for three years. But top 3 WR, show me that on the field!

He doesn't need to be a top 3 receiver, Renfrow just signed for 16 million per year, so is 18-20 million so crazy? The top 3 in the league are from 26-30 million per year right now, but you are saying Johnson will need to be better than Hill, Adams, and Kupp to justify 20 million per year. If he was top 3 and we offered 20 million we wouldn't have to worry about paying it because he would be turning it down and heading to Free Agency, it is just where the Wide Receiver market is right now.

[Ernie]

He doesn't need to be a top 3 receiver, Renfrow just signed for 16 million per year, so is 18-20 million so crazy? The top 3 in the league are from 26-30 million per year right now, but you are saying Johnson will need to be better than Hill, Adams, and Kupp to justify 20 million per year. If he was top 3 and we offered 20 million we wouldn't have to worry about paying it because he would be turning it down and heading to Free Agency, it is just where the Wide Receiver market is right now.

Let's hope he does turn it down if we offer him 20 mill.

[hawaiiansteel]

He doesn't need to be a top 3 receiver, Renfrow just signed for 16 million per year, so is 18-20 million so crazy? The top 3 in the league are from 26-30 million per year right now, but you are saying Johnson will need to be better than Hill, Adams, and Kupp to justify 20 million per year. If he was top 3 and we offered 20 million we wouldn't have to worry about paying it because he would be turning it down and heading to Free Agency, it is just where the Wide Receiver market is right now.

the WR market is crazy right now, top-notch ones are getting over $20 million/yr.

Washington's Terry McLaurin is looking for an extension, it will be interesting to see if he gets paid and how much. I'm sure Diontae Johnson and his agent will be monitoring that situation closely to help determine DJ's own contract value.

I would love to keep him, but at that price I would much rather pay a top-flight proven CB.

[Mr.wizard]

the WR market is crazy right now, top-notch ones are getting over $20 million/yr.

Washington's Terry McLaurin is looking for an extension, it will be interesting to see if he gets paid and how much. I'm sure Diontae Johnson and his agent will be monitoring that situation closely to help determine DJ's own contract value.

I would love to keep him, but at that price I would much rather pay a top-flight proven CB.

I agree with paying a CB over WR, but my point in the argument is Dionte Johnson getting 18-20 million per year is in line with the market.