Pickett comparisons: Carr, Bridgewater, Dalton

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  • whisper
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    • Mar 2020
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    #16
    Originally posted by Flasteel
    I'm not sure how you think the Red BB Gun has the arm strength edge over Pickett. I'm sure there are a lot of opinions on both arms, but Andy Dalton has never been known for having a strong arm. It was a huge criticism of his game coming out of TCU. Pickett on the other hand is credited with having above average arm strength (but not elite) my the majority of scouting reports I have seen. I also see a lot of zip on his balls and fitting them into tight windows when he needed to.

    However, one thing I am impressed with the more I look into Pickett is his mental make-up. How does he process the game, read defenses, display calm in critical situations, lead men, study film, and bust his ass every day and every play? Those intangible qualities that really separate the good from great quarterbacks seem absent in these comparisons. With Pickett, I am seeing a guy with average size but above average athleticism, mobility, and arm strength. From what I have seen and read, he has elite accuracy and mental make-up. Every one of those qualities I mentioned previously seem to bubble up everywhere when researching this dude.

    Everyone seems to be hung up on physical comparisons, but it might just be those intangible qualities that define Kenny Pickett as a pro quarterback.
    I hope you're right: hopefully Kenny has those intangibles that matter most.

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    • WindyCitySteel
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      • Nov 2011
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      #17
      Originally posted by whisper
      Yea, sure. Possibly much, much more.
      We're all guessing, might as well aim high. Plus, if he flops, I can blame dizz for brainwashing me and we can all dogpile him.

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      • Captain Lemming
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        • Jun 2008
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        #18
        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
        I see him as Joe Montana 2.0. Nothing less, possibly much, much more.
        That is my thing. Frankly odds are not that but why predetermine a Hasselbeck ceiling when he has the same skillset as Montana too.
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        • Captain Lemming
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          • Jun 2008
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          #19
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
          We're all guessing, might as well aim high. Plus, if he flops, I can blame dizz for brainwashing me and we can all dogpile him.
          Same camp here. Blame Dizz.
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          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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          • Northern_Blitz
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            • Dec 2008
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            #20
            Wasn't the biggest problem with Bridgwater early that he had a bunch of injuries?

            Maybe I'm misremembering...

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            • NorthCoast
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              • Sep 2008
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              #21
              The way I see it is if Pickett is going to be a winner it'll have to be from between the ears. Everything else looks to be average to slightly better than average compared to the last few QB classes.

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              • flippy
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                • Dec 2008
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                #22
                Originally posted by whisper
                I hope you're right: hopefully Kenny has those intangibles that matter most.
                The good is I think he’s already shown that he has those intangibles while at Pitt. By no means was he a great QB a few years ago and it’s clear he had to put in the work.
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                • WindyCitySteel
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                  • Nov 2011
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  The way I see it is if Pickett is going to be a winner it'll have to be from between the ears. Everything else looks to be average to slightly better than average compared to the last few QB classes.
                  His ability to throw on the run accurately is up at the top.

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                  • Captain Lemming
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                    • Jun 2008
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by NorthCoast
                    The way I see it is if Pickett is going to be a winner it'll have to be from between the ears. Everything else looks to be average to slightly better than average compared to the last few QB classes.
                    The winningest QB in the 80s, 90s, 2000, were ALL average or below physically.

                    They were more successful than EVERY SINGLE PHYSICALLY GIFTED QB since Bradshaw.

                    Truth is, "Between the ears" and the skill of accuracy IS the ceiling for QBs.
                    Last edited by Captain Lemming; 05-22-2022, 01:04 AM.
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                    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                      His ability to throw on the run accurately is up at the top.
                      Type of mobility that is far more important than huge rushing yardage.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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                      • Chucktownsteeler
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                        • May 2008
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                        Wasn't the biggest problem with Bridgwater early that he had a bunch of injuries?

                        Maybe I'm misremembering...
                        I believe he had a serious knee injury.
                        Help me find my post proving I am a Yinzer!

                        I will tip my hat to Tomlin if he has a winning record and the team makes the play-offs in the upcoming season.

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          Wasn't the biggest problem with Bridgwater early that he had a bunch of injuries?

                          Maybe I'm misremembering...
                          Ultra-conservative, too. Had the nickname Teddy Checkdown.

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                          • NorthCoast
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                            • Sep 2008
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                            #28
                            Top 10 QBs last season with the slowest release times. Seems a real mixed bag from very good QBs to awful:

                            (note; Pickett would lead the list if he is as slow as last year; 3.19 sec)

                            TT
                            Jalen Hurts 3.12
                            Jameis Winston 3.02
                            Zach Wilson 3
                            Taylor Heinicke 2.97
                            Lamar Jackson 2.96
                            Teddy Bridgewater 2.91
                            Justin Fields 2.91
                            Josh Allen 2.9
                            Sam Darnold 2.88
                            Trevor Lawrence 2.87

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                            • WindyCitySteel
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by NorthCoast
                              Top 10 QBs last season with the slowest release times. Seems a real mixed bag from very good QBs to awful:

                              (note; Pickett would lead the list if he is as slow as last year; 3.19 sec)

                              TT
                              Jalen Hurts 3.12
                              Jameis Winston 3.02
                              Zach Wilson 3
                              Taylor Heinicke 2.97
                              Lamar Jackson 2.96
                              Teddy Bridgewater 2.91
                              Justin Fields 2.91
                              Josh Allen 2.9
                              Sam Darnold 2.88
                              Trevor Lawrence 2.87
                              Context matters so much. Processing is cited as a Pickett strength, a lot of the other guys in that list aren't good at it and end up running around as a result. OL quality matters, too.

                              Didn't Ben have the quickest last year?

                              That stat doesn't mean much on its own.

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                              • feltdizz
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                                • May 2008
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                                Context matters so much. Processing is cited as a Pickett strength, a lot of the other guys in that list aren't good at it and end up running around as a result. OL quality matters, too.

                                Didn't Ben have the quickest last year?

                                That stat doesn't mean much on its own.
                                Jalen Hurts being number 1 is interesting. I wonder if its because they fear his legs so they spy him instead of blitzing him.
                                Steelers 27
                                Rats 16

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